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Thread for people who dislike Studio 60.


Since this message board seems to attract big fans of Studio 60 who are distraught at its cancellation, here's a chance for people who hated the show to sound off.

Personally, I thought the show was hard to watch. Way too preachy with unlikable characters. Some other thoughts:

- The Matt/Harriet romance subplot was a complete dud, since both characters were so annoying. I found myself not caring whether they got together or not, just that they'd shut up and stop talking to one another.

- Amanda Peet apparently can't project any other emotion besides "smug."

- Aaron Sorkin repeated attempts to lecture the viewer on current events (see Nate Corddry's explanation to his red-state parents on why making Iraq jokes is okay, or Matthew Perry's character's diatribes against organized religion). We get it, Aaron. Maybe focus less on rants on more on making a likable characters besides Timothy Busfield and Mark McKinney.

- Danny's pursuit of a pregnant Jordan was downright creepy.

So as you can tell, I'm not the least bit saddened that Studio 60 is off the air. Maybe I'm too demanding, but shouldn't an hour-long drama about a sketch comedy show at least include a few funny parts? Each episode felt like like a trip to the dentist. It made me appreciate 30 Rock that much more.

Feel free to add on.

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Not that I'm against freedom of speech or anything, but why on EARTH are you on a Studio 60 board when you detest the show? Isn't that a bit of a waste of your time? You must KNOW that you're probably going to be attacked, seeing as there are swarms of fans here. I doubt this is what you intended, but do you REALLY want to start another huge war?

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You must KNOW that you're probably going to be attacked, seeing as there are swarms of fans here.
I honestly don't think that'll be much of a problem. b-legit posted perfectly reasonable complaints against the show, and no offence to Studio 60 fans, but very few can post a decent rebuttal without dipping into condescension, using flimsy excuses (like blaming reality television) or conceding with the complaints ("it's not meant to be funny!") but asking people to like the show anyway.

I usually only post to talk down a person who blames its failure on the intelligence of Americans
Same here. And I'm not American.

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Because it is as enjoyable to diss what we don't like as it is to praise what we do like, if not more so.

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I can't resist agreeing 100% with this post -- surfing the boards here out of curiosity, I cannot believe the amount of people who actually support and enjoy this wonky talkfest.

There was really no reason this show shouldn't have been great -- amazing cast (but you're right, Peet -- and Paulson -- were terrible), great writer (who needed an editor to tell him that no one gives a flip about his own political views), and a premise filled with comic and dramatic possibilities (that all went to waste in favor of arguments about religion). The characters just TALKED. And talked, a lot. I can't remember one funny scene, or skit, or even line, and I watched the entire series from start to finish. Sorkin's short-lived Sports Night had more one-liners in one episode than Studio 60 had in its full run.

I wonder: If 30 Rock hadn't come out the same season, and if 30 Rock wasn't so zanily amazing, would Studio 60 still be on the air? I hope not.

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I don't have a problem with someone disliking the show or even feeling the need to waste their own time (their loss) on talking about it here. I do find it funny you assume there wasn't tremendous bashing for months on end here. A thread for those who dislike the show? It's like starting up a Harry Potter site and saying 'for those who thing Harry Potter promotes anti-Christian values, come here!' There's late to the party and then there's what this thread is.

The folks here are grownup *cough* enough to start their own bashing threads and have. We don't need a tutorial or an outlet. Been there, done that, saw the movie. You're about a year too late. There isn't even a need to consolidate it but if you want to think this is original, fine. If you don't want to do that, consider that it's redundant which folks tend to find frustrating. That said, it doesn't mean you're entirely wrong in your thoughts. Just not new.

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I didn't like the show, but I don't need a thread about it hating it. The show's faults have been stated long ago. I usually only post to talk down a person who blames its failure on the intelligence of Americans

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Why? You don't believe that there is intelligent television out there?

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>> I can't remember one funny scene, or skit, or even line,>>

I'll just quote a few of the ones I can remember without giving it anytime for ponderance. Most of the best one-liners go to Cal...so a top three for him:
"Suzanne tarps over everything!" (wrap party)
"What goes in after the coyote?" (NDII)
"Lets get rid of demented Santa Claus" (Xmas Show)

My favorite funny scene is too long to quote all of but ends with Matt/Danny's exchange: D:"See how I just did that." M:"I’ll try to have the first draft in a couple hours and pages before the dinner break." D:"I'm the puppet master" M:"You didn’t even have a conversation with Standards, did you?"

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Wow. You're so right. All hilarious.

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i thought the show was mooching off the appeal of real satire and social comedy / criticism shows - and diverting attention from what makes these things good.

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Sarah Paulson was absolutely excellent! Unfortunately, a lot of some really funny skits that were taped didn't make it through the edit. Just little bits of the scenes were shown & the audience didn't get to see how hilarious it was. Sarah as Juliette Lewis, Holly Hunter and Nancy Grace were hilarious! And Simon Helbegs Nicholas Cage was incredible. All of it never got to the audience. I thought Studio 60 was much better than 30 Rock. No real show would EVER put up w/Tracy Morgan's characters crappola. I couldn't watch that show. Caught it only a few times after trying to enjoy it. It was literally too out there.

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I kinda enjoy Studio 60, it's better than a lot of network tv out there..but it's got its flaws.
First of all, I consider The West Wing to be one of the greatest shows ever made. Its style was similar to Studio 60's, but it had more enjoyable characters and far more tension and excitement.
Maybe because Sorkin's writing was tighter back then, or maybe because it being the White House, the stakes were higher, world-changing decisions being made in each episode, I don't know.

The thing I always loved about The West Wing was its realism. Or at least what I considered to be realism. The idea that this was a pretty accurate (albeit dramatised) account of how the White House works. I felt like I was learning something. But the thing is, back then I hadn't really watched stuff like The Wire (or wven in its own way, Deadwood) where realism reaches whole new levels of authenticity.
In view of these incredibly realistic shows on HBO, Sorkin's shows all seem a little utopistic to me.

In Sorkinland, incredibly talented people all come together, working as a team to create something wonderful and historic. They all have the same goal and are all amazing at their jobs. The tensions between characters stem from personal relationships, not from having conflicting goals. The only characters in Sorkin's shows who have a different agenda from the protagonists, are usually portrayed as sleazy, cold or just plain stupid. It's a little preachy to be saying "all good and smart people want things THIS way, and anyone who doesn't is either stupid or a jerk".
The Wire, Deadwood (and even the soap opera-like OZ) all have characters who have goals that are in conflict with other characters, and not because they're evil or dumb, just because their own situation forces them to pick a different side, or a different way of doing things. The characters a re far more complex.

Also another thing I realise I don't like about Sorkin's writing (and Studio 60 made me notice how this was true even for West Wing) is just how good everyone is at their jobs. Sure, they mess up, but the thing is they always seem pretty much in control of everything. In a crisis, all a Sorkin character really needs to do is believe in himself and his own talent and he'll fix even the worse problems.
I just prefer shows that portray the reality I believe in, i.e. sometimes things are just beyond your control, there are forces out there that are just too powerful for you to face with just your talent, or with an inspiring speech.

You know how a lot of action movies have the "just how badass is he" speech? "[Rambo] is trained to eat things that'd make a billy-goat puke" and the like, well Sorkin does a little too much of that, albeit an intellectual version. Y'know, where "every time Amanda Peet wakes up Nasdaq gains 6 points. When she sips her coffee Rupert Murdoch trembles, and when she farts, the gods bow down, humbled". A little less awesomeness would be better. Notice how everyone raves about Matt's writing, like it's the best thing since sliced bread? It's a little annoying how Sorkin wants us to believe that everyone has the capacity to appreciate it, and recognise how unique it is. And the big three, why exactly are they so revered? Harriet acts like she's so good she could make any show work, but Sorkin never really showed me why.

A show that worked that way was The Larry Sanders show, it really convinced you that Larry, despite his flaws, was a great show host, and that Hank Kingsley, despite all his, was a perfect sidekick.

I realise all this makes it sound like I hate Studio 60, I don't, in fact I'm enjoying it. I simply think Sorkin went a little overboard, and accentuated the flaws he displayed in West Wing, and brought over fewer of the good qualities that made WW so amazing.

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"to quote (I think it's Whitford who says it as Josh) The West Wing 'Mine is a dry wit'"

Donna actually says that.

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hehehhe....well spotted :)

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I'm a media studies teacher - I found the show brilliant, the writing brilliant. I showed it to my senior media studies class and they were utterly riveted - not an easy thing to do with teens these days. I hear some of the criticisms and there are some good points being made. But the most important point to be made is that it appeals to those with a particular type of humour who appreciate this particular style of story telling.

Frankly, you either get it or you don't. If you don't, then move on - don't block the view because some of us are having a rare fine time!

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But this show IS funny. Very funny. The greatest comedies of this era have been marked by being vacant of 'one-liner's and 'joke-telling' (The Office and Extra for example).

As for the talking, the dialouge made me lament for an era where words and speech were pivotal to storytelling.

And I didn't find the show preachy at all, I thought he worked the politics into the plot with finesse, and besides surely the role of writing and creativity is to reflect on and create dialouge on the issues of the day? I'm in Australia but this is the only program I've ever seen that describes the conflict between Christianity and the left.

But let the pyjama people think what they will.

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The office gave rebirth to one of the most prevalent one liners in tv history


That's what she said.

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your entitled to your views obviously, but i just dont understand if you hated the show so much why did you continue to watch it? i really can not understand people like you who will watch something you so strongly dislike. are you that bored?

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"And talked, a lot. I can't remember one funny scene, or skit, or even line, and I watched the entire series from start to finish."

Renojohn, if you hated it so much why did you watch the entire show? I guess, some people like to waste time watching things they hate.

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Wow. Here are some of the things I don't like: root beer, Chevrolet cars, the White Sox, US Weekly, Britney Spears, the movie "American Pie", Nicholas Cage, turkey sandwiches, George W. Bush, Windows Vista, and fat-free mayonaise.

Now, aside from Nicholas Cage's and American Pie's forums, which are right here at IMDB, could you please point me to where I can express my negative feelings about these things?

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All this show does it take stabs at organised religion? Well it does that a
lot, yes but it was imo, the negative comments about religion are balanced by the fact that Harriet was not a bigoted person, and was played sympathetically in the show. I liked her, and I liked all the cast. I think what Sorkin does, is allow arguments from both sides of agendas. Hell, that is more than what Michael Moore does!
I, for one, am sad that this show is over.
Oh, and one other thing, to the people who complained that there was too much talk in the show, I think that this feature makes it a refreshing change. I have nothing against action filled shows, but is it not nice to have a show, where the action is provided by words, rather than deeds? Is is not nice to have a bunch of characters who hold loyalty and friendship so high? I think it is, and I for one, will now be looking forward to film Charlie Wilsons War. Tom Hanks spouting Sorkin's dialogue? Bring it on!

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I watched it, I tried to love it, I thought Matthew Perry was great in his role as were many others but I'm not surprised it was cancelled. As well written as it was, it didn't go anywhere. It didn't create the tension and intensity that The West Wing had and it didn't 'bait the hook' for me to crave the next episode. I watched, week after week, in the hope that these elements would become present rather than them working their magic upon me.

It's a shame that they couldn't have worked out the kinks and taken another swing at it in a second season. After all The West Wing wasn't perfect; in the 1st season there was Mandy, a character I never liked, but the rest of the ensemble was so strong that her presence and ultimate removal from the show made no impact. I don’t think they had the luxury of only one character to change in Studio 60.

Others may disagree but I feel Amanda Peet was miscast as Jordan, I felt she wasn’t strong enough, though I liked her humour, it was more befitting of an older, more mature woman. Perhaps she would have been better suited for Harriet? Simon Styles’ only redeeming quality is how well he and Tom Jeter played off one another, but other than that he was rude, arrogant and blinded by his own self importance to be anything more than an irritation. I couldn't connect with Harriet and I still don't understand why.

That being said, I thought the writing team of Lucy, Darius and Andy worked really well, as did the exchanges between Matt and Danny and the supporting characters were likable. Not every element of this show was bad, but not enough of it was good, in my opinion, to warrant a second season.

I’m not posting to wage war on those who loved it, I’m glad you did and I wish I could share your whole-hearted enjoyment, but as an Aaron Sorkin fan, I was simply disappointed.

As a final note, everyone is entitled to an off-season and I’m waiting for the next TV drama he throws our way; in the mean time, there’s “Charlie Wilson’s War”.

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Great post, I agree 100% with you. This show was just downright annoying. I was a big West Wing fan (at least the early years) so I was very disappointed with this load of garbage. I probably agree with Sorkin on most of his politics, I'm a New York City Ivy League educated limousine-liberal - a red state nightmare!

First, Sorkin should realize that most of the people who watch his shows are already likely to agree with his politics. Not just taking into account his history but also the context of the show - a drama about Hollywood actors and producers doesn't exactly attract much in the way of right-wing viewers. So all his preachiness was not only annoying, but he was preaching to the goddam choir.

Second, spewing his political ideology on a show set in a political context makes sense, spewing it on a show set in the backstage of a goddam crappy late-night sketch show is just plain retarded. Sorkin needs to realize that the stereotype of Hollywood actors, writers, and producers being stupid did not just come out of thin air - there is some truth in it.

Third, the sketch show all the characters were part of was just plain bad, not funny at all.

Fourth, Amanda Peet went from an actress I sorta didn't care for to an actress I despised! She was the WORST part of that show. Not only was she not believable in her role, her smugness as others have mentioned literally made me want to vomit.

Fifth, Aaron Sorkin really has a lofty view about TV writers, its just laughable to anyone on the outside. Give me a break dude, you guys write crappy shows that people forget about between commercial breaks. There is very little on TV that can be considered truly impressive, true pieces of art, most tend to be on HBO, a few have been on network TV - none of Sorkin's stuff is even close, but its sometimes entertaining.

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Agree completely with the post and don't understand why people are all hot and bothered about a post that critiques a show. Not everyone got or liked or laughed at the show. These boards encourage discussion so just leave it at that.

Just wanted to add one thing to Hedgie's post. I felt that one of the main flaws, besides the preachy/annoying characters, was the fact the show itself (the actual studio 60 show) wasn't funny. One of the main troubles a show satirizing a show is the show being satirized has to hold it's own. Since there was so much hype about the show in the world of studio 60 of being "cutting edge," "hot," and "funny," when the sketches fell flat, and all of them did, they sucked on a whole other level.

Sorkin, if you dictate to your audience what is funny and not, you gotta bring home the bacon. Otherwise, you're just playing out some stupid, self-centered fantasy land that is American mainstream television.

Oh and you're also *beep* all over Paddy Chayefsky's grave with that old fogey ramble in the pilot. Peter Finch is the man, not your cheesy overlit garbage

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i was very disappointed by this show. i thought the pilot was great and i really liked the first few episodes. but i think that after the dust settled and matt and danny had taken over and settled in and whatnot(which i think was what made the first few episodes interesting...the whole process of them getting rehired and trying to get the show back on its feet), the show really had nothing. storylines that i could care less about. like matt and harriet. i just could care less if they got together or not. same thing with danny and amanda peet. tom jeter's brother. silly little "problems" that would come up every week. it just turned into a different show than what had pulled me in. i understand that they can't do an entire series on the premise brought forth in the beginning and that they need to move foward in some way, but it doesn't take away from the fact that none of the storylines were interesting. and characters that i liked in the beginning ended up annoying me. i never watched sorkin before this, so i didn't know what to expect, but the dialogue was just really annoying to me. i felt like in the beginning, they tried to flesh the characters out a little more, but eventually they just became walking one-liners. and as it has been mentioned, the way the show pushes sorkin's own views was unbearable. i stuck with it most of the way, but eventually i just admitted that i didn't want to watch it anymore

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You come into this show expecting a lot from it since it's Aaron Sorkin, but it definitely took late-night TV way too seriously. The whole idealistic principles thing worked for The West Wing because everything the characters discussed was so important and determined the future of the country. Studio 60 is just a sketch comedy, and while satire is awesome, it's not exactly like working for the President. Some of the characters on Studio 60 worked pretty well, especially the dynamics between Matthew Perry and Bradley Whitford.

The Harriet Hayes character was just downright irritating. I like that they had a Christian character on the show, but she was a little too out there to be taken seriously at times. On the other hand, she doesn't have a problem with pre-marital sex but all her other views are out there. I mean, it's OK have a religious character without making her a fanatic. I guess they had to push her a little over the edge to create more conflict.

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It could have worked... it should have worked...

it's about free speech, and it's about the role of the entertainment industry in American society --

but at the same time S60 needed to be believable as a flagship program for its network (that universe never felt fully flushed out to me) -- so the show had a double burden -- Sorkin and Co needed to write cutting edge material for a sketch comedy show AND then write the drama around it.

Not easy to do... Valiant effort though, I could happily watch another two seasons of them working it out.

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Personally, I agree that it's hard to watch and I can see why people don't like it very much. When I watched the first episode for the first time, I could only watch the first half because I was so bored. But then, I started watching it again when it was in the middle of the series and I kept watching it until the end and I grew to love it. I even went and bought it on dvd because I'd missed the first half. And yes, I was devastated when it was cancelled. But it's not supposed to be funny, it's a drama. Even people who write sketches for comedy shows have their problems! But I can see the point that you're making and I can understand why others don't like it. Plus, I'm a huge Matt Perry and Brad Whitford fan!

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what is it about studio 60 that makes people love to hate it ?

i've never seen anything like it

when i come across a show i don't care for, i change the channel and move on with my life

is it the politics of the show that has all of your panties in a bunch ?

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If you read the reasons before posting, you wouldn't blame the politics as being the reason. I'm a huge liberal, by the way (well, I'm pro-death penalty...so fairly large liberal)

The show just tried SO hard to be edgy that it came off as phony. For me, it was like a bad movie that I couldn't turn off. It got worse and worse as the series progressed. It was such a big dud that it fascinates me that a show that was so hyped up and was the flagship of NBC's 2006-07 season crashed and burned

And of course, people who dislike it keep coming back to the board in case someone comes along and goes, "AMERICA IS TOO STUPID FOR THIS SHOW! WAAAAAAAAAAAAH!"

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Beginning the opening scene of the pilot railing against the state of television, and then proceeding to write a show that's embarrasingly bad, is the sort of irony that I enjoy.

Normally if a show is bad, it's bad, and people don't care. But when a show demonstrates an alarming lack of self-awareness about how good it is, an arrogance that borders on delusion, well that alientates people.

And when fans claim that people didn't like this show because they were too stupid, or too American to appreciate it, that's the perfect example of the condescension that drove Sorkin's writing.

It couldn't possibly be that the show just wasn't any good. It must have been because NBC wanted it to fail, or failed to promote it, or put it in a bad timeslot, or it was too smart for Americans, or the politics were too liberal, or a litany of other reasons that fans have come up with.

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ok, you all have a good time now

lol

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A lot of legitimate points are being made here.
I love Sorkin's writing, but I was a tad disappointed with studio 60 (luckily, I find Sorkin's writing is back in form since Charlie Wilson's War).
I enjoyed Studio 60 but was never hooked. Danny's character was good, although he was basically a less fleshed out Josh Lyman, Matt Albie was enjoyable, and I really liked Jack Rudolph (he was IMO the best part of the show).
But still, it was a little too preachy, and I hated the conversations between Matt and Harriet. 'cause it's actually just one season-long conversation, they keep saying the same exact things.

I also think Amanda Peet and Bradley Whitford should have been playing each other's roles. What I mean is that Jordan was an ok character, but barring the first 2 episodes (where she was awesome), she always seemed to be way too hormonal and ditzy (ok I get that she was pregnant) to be a believable network president, 'specially such a successful one.
Danny Tripp was a far more savy, cynical and business-minded character than Jordan, so I think it would have been better to have the idealistic, ditzy Jordan character as Matt's partner, and the slightly more understated Tripp as the network president.

Also, it was never explained why Tom Jeeter and Simon Styles are good enough to be stars of such an important show as Studio 60. Are they meant to be these amazing comedians? Because aside from tiny quicks in backstage dialogue, it just doesn't seem to me these guys are so great.

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I would agree that this was the weakest of Sorkin's shows...although I insist that Sports Night was him at his peak. And it had two problems: He did get preachy, and the sketch comedy bits were rarely, if ever, funny. (He should've hired experienced sketch comedy people to write those parts--at the time, he might've been able to get presumptive Senator Al Franken.) But the overall level of the writing was still head and shoulders over nearly anything else on television--and I am understating by several feet.

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i appreciate any attempts at creating actually debatable reasons rather than trolling, and i respectfully disagree with a few of your points. 30 Rock appeals to the current audience that can appreciate Andy Dick on Celebrity Roasts, while frowning upon Dean Martin's jokes at Mr.T or Betty White, which makes sense only if you can truly understand what you're trying to say on your 3rd point.


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Maybe that's why it got cancelled... Perhaps americans are irritated when presented with ideas that are extraordinary, that shake the perpetuated predispositions and prejudices...

As for your points:

- That's like every 'real' relationship.. But of course Tv never shows real.. And if it dares try, like Studio 60 did, well you know the results...

- Well, stupid Amanda Peet!! They tell her to play the part 'smug' and she blatandly does so!! Horrible actress!!

- We are sick of likable characters!!! You dont believe me? One word : HOUSE MD! People should stop being bombed with likable fuzziness and start watching true life characters! And what was that about Perry's character? We dont care if he is clever or if he has to say anything interesting ... he opposed religion!!! Throw him in the fire!!!

- Or incredibly romantic based on many people here on the boards...

You dont try to find likable characters on the show... You just picked it apart and bashed it.. It's one thing if you dont like it.. It's another thing to post uncritical personal dislikes that count only as your opinion and not as a generic review...

Sorry if I was racist.. I hate racist people..

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I agree with the original poster on this, for all the same reasons. The point of this show seemed to be to point out how bad television is, and this itself was one of the worst shows. The show within the show would have apparently been worse.

This show and the expense of making it is the most extreme example of self-indulgence on television.

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Well it is strange how some of you made a partially valid points... But the truth is that the show will stay as one of the best dramas ever created. It is a short show but it has every part wrapped and it is worth the rating it got.

Many of you said showing the liberal view, that is only partially true. In the last episode the American army prevails - the hostages are saved and patriotically returned to the scared brother, the last couple of episodes show what a true American officer is. Captain Boyle is cool and very sharp, he is basically the superhero at the end, never compromising his values and saving the day at the end. The liberal view of the situation would have been the army isn't prepared to help it's soldiers and the hot blond lawyer saves the day - that didn't happen.

Many of you comment on the shots the show takes at the religious freaks or even the Christian believers altogether but that is not true either. First of all the religious part of the people are being represented in the show by Harriet and she is giving some of the best arguments on faith. More then that, even though Matt has his views of religion in the last episode he is willing to give God a chance and he does, and when the episode is at it's end and all has ended happily he thanks God while Harriet silently declares victory.

Even if I didn't have those points down I would still think of the show as one of the best because if you look at the core it was never about humour, or about political views or about religion. It is about the deeper values of people, values like friendship and love. If any of you watched the entire show you will see what prevails in the end - in the last few episodes (which are the difference between what would have been a great show and what is now one of the most wonderful things that were ever on TV), it isn't about the conflict, but rather about how people get together when it really matters. I do think it couldn't have been a better example of what TV should be and I am glad that it is over because it wasn't ruined by hungry producers who just wanna get one more season out of it even if it compromised the show's true purpose. I was sad couple of years ago when I heard it was canceled but now I am happy because whatever happens it could never be ruined as it had the perfect start, amazing characters and the most impressive finish.

I have many more points to make but I am afraid that my post is way too long already so I will stop here with the note that if you really watch that show with all your heart it will change you as it is a perfect story told in 15 hours.

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