Will the Coen Bros. ever make another movie that doesn't suck? - Hail, Caesar! (2016) Discussion

[–] Ihaveblink 9 years ago

That high of an IQ huh?

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[–] fireant-59637 9 years ago

Did you read the rest of the sentence, or are you just too stupid to get that the point wasn't to attempt to brag?

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[–] Fanofmoviesandtv 9 years ago

It was a humble brag in every sense of the word. Absolutely textbook example.

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[–] greg-goremykin 9 years ago

I don't think so; his quoting of his IQ was highly relevant to the subject he had at hand. His IQ indicates that he is much brighter than most people but with plenty of people with much higher IQs than him commonly around.

This shows that no one can claim that he was too dumb or uninformed to "get" the film, as well as showing that he isn't too ultra-intelligent to be unable to relate to "normal" people, another reason his opinion could be called into suspect.

It was in no way a humble brag, it lacked the most basic requirement of one, that the brag doesn't add to one's argument. You don't understand this logical fallacy because it is about as far away as a textbook example as could be imagined. You come across as someone not nearly as intelligent as they think they are, a fact that everyone around you all know, but even your closest friends won't confront you because they all feel so embarrassed for your incredible insecurity.

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[–] Fanofmoviesandtv 9 years ago

He is much brighter than most people but there are* plenty of people with much higher IQs than him commonly around?

As far away from* a textbook example?

Your word choice in your argument is confusing, are you one of these people with a lower IQ? I'm not one of your closest friends so i have no problem confronting your embarrassing errors in an post about IQs.

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[–] Issapunk 9 years ago

Reading your post and the OP's, I got douche chills.

Stop trying to make yourselves sound like Einstein and focus on the movies. No one here cares if you're smart.

And if the OP does have such a high IQ, wouldn't he know that opinions on movies are all subjective. Him thinking that their movies suck, which almost any lover of films would disagree with, is about him and not the Coen Bros.

No Country, O Brother and Burn After Reading are all A+'s in my book. I liked True Grit as well.

Big gulps huh? Well, cya later

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[–] whatsthisnow 9 years ago

Seconded. *beep* OP. 😕

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[–] emncaity 8 years ago

"I'm not bragging, it's just that you're stupid and I'm a 135. Okay?"

Real intelligence requires a person to know it's possible for a responder both to get the larger point and to potshot what seems to be a little "I'm way smarter than the average bear, so" aside.

Regardless, the original post is worth reading and considering. I've always thought the Coens were too often (certainly not always) about their own business, films about films, clever instead of meaningful in any sense beyond the running time. Yes, I understand the argument that art owes nothing beyond its own frame, but some of us think the best art is more than that. Fargo stands out, IMHO, because it really is about more than its own action, quirkiness, and cleverness. In other films where the Coens get beyond all that for at least short stretches, where the films are more than just skillful, funny curiosities, they touch that kind of import at least some of the time. But not often enough. I would say they got there with A Serious Man. No Country, for sure.

True Grit was a brilliant redo that was much closer to the feel of the novel. Good project, but whatever larger meaning it had came from the source material. Sort of the same for O Brother, in a way, because of the source. Lot of fun, but mostly an exercise.

So, unless you've covered this elsewhere in the thread (all seven pages of which I don't have time to read now), did you or did you not like these films, and specifically why? Is it the quality of the filmmaking, the scripts, or something else that you think is lagging? I doubt my complaint about them is yours. (If you've covered these elsewhere, direction is fine.)

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[–] Gadare 8 years ago

LOLOLOL....

"Victor, what are we going to do to stop this fiendish tit?"

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[–] onebluestocking 9 years ago

Really? No Country for Old Men was great!

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[–] fireant-59637 9 years ago

As long as you don't mind spending 2.5 hours to get no cohesive ending, yeah, it was wonderful.

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[–] The_Mahatma_Fonzie 9 years ago

It's not 2 and a half hours.

The ending is the same as the book.

Everything that happens in the end is done for fairly clear reasons. You're free to dislike the ending, but it's certainly cohesive.

My smile is stuck, I cannot go back to your frownland.

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[–] Generationbetrayed 9 years ago

I'll probably agree with you on this movie.. but No Country For Old Men was simply amazing. They have made some other good/decent movies as well, but anyone that says No Country For Old Men wasn't good, their opinion can't be taken seriously.

Maybe you just shouldn't watch movies.

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[–] FizzyGillespie 8 years ago

Someone with an IQ of 135 should probably read the book.

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[–] Gadare 8 years ago

LOLOL....

"Victor, what are we going to do to stop this fiendish tit?"

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[–] CapnKaos 9 years ago

Why haven't you liked them? Who the hell knows. With the exception of "The Ladykillers" which really doesn't count as it's not really a Coen Brothers movie, they haven't made a movie I've hated. Sure I've preferred some over others but outright hate? Never.

But this line really makes me want to puke.

I guess with an IQ of 135, I'm not brilliant enough to appreciate their last several movies.

Your IQ is meaningless when it comes to this and it's simply a number applied to a flawed system that people place too much emphasis on. And just in case it matters, yes I know what my IQ is as I was officially tested, am a former member of MENSA and it's higher than yours. But unlike you who obviously loves to bring it up as you feel it validates who you are, I've never told anybody mine. Nobody else needs to know and as Stephen Hawking has stated, "people who brag about their IQs are losers". Make of that what you want.

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[–] fireant-59637 9 years ago

Even with your high IQ you missed the point. If that came across to you as bragging, you're a f'n moron and you're lying about Mensa. I'm aware of where 135 sits, Genius. Perhaps I was trying to prevent someone from responding with, "You don't like them because you're stupid!" Y'know, kinda like how you said make of it what you will or whatever, hoping I wouldn't respond. Hey, why'd you get kicked out of Mensa? For being totally immature and not using your supposed intelligence?

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[–] CapnKaos 9 years ago

Even with your high IQ you missed the point.

No, I'm pretty sure you got the point considering how you're raging right now. Truth can hurt sometimes.

If that came across to you as bragging, you're a f'n moron and you're lying about Mensa.

Then why bring up the exact value? You're trying to set yourself up as some kind of expert on the subject. After all, if a person with such a high IQ didn't understand it, what hopes does somebody with a normal IQ have?

I'm aware of where 135 sits, Genius.

Oh good for you! I'm so proud you know where it sits and that's a load off my mind. And thank you. I know I'm a genius according to that scale but unlike you I typically don't go around pointing it out to people in an attempt to prove how amazingly smart I am. Really when you get down to it if you need that kind of ego massage then you're really missing something in your life. Just sayin'.

Perhaps I was trying to prevent someone from responding with, "You don't like them because you're stupid!" Y'know, kinda like how you said make of it what you will or whatever, hoping I wouldn't respond.

Yeah, I was really hoping you wouldn't respond and now you called my bluff. I'm so ashamed. </sarcasm>

The proper way to have handled this would have been to simply point out you didn't get it and while smart, maybe it's not intelligence that counts when trying to understand this movie. If then somebody came back at you with, "sheya right! You're probably an idiot hurhurhur!" you could have trotted it out at that point, listed your intellectual accomplishments, demolished them with your witty repartee, indicated that you were somehow smarter than the average and then drop the virtual mike by indicating your IQ. Funny how it is in your responses that nowhere is any of this apparent. I'd almost hazard a guess that you're not as smart as you claim to be.

Hey, why'd you get kicked out of Mensa? For being totally immature and not using your supposed intelligence?

No, I stopped paying my dues. It's a bit of a long story but I'll give you the Reader's Digest version. I joined when I was in college and was looking for like minded women, preferably the slightly nerdy but cute librarian types with glasses. I was into that then and still am to a degree but that's another story. In the half dozen times I went in my first year, the women that eventually did show up were either a) not that cute b) not that interesting or c) not my type.

Next year when it came time to pay my dues I didn't bother. As such I am a former member as I have not paid my dues in over 15 years.

I know, it's a funny story and even funnier considering you were trying to go for a slam and totally missed.

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[–] daissi 9 years ago

So you have to pay annual fees to be a member of MENSA? I think that's the real IQ test right there.

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[–] CapnKaos 9 years ago

It's a private club and they charge dues for the actual organization and running thereof. You get a newsletter and invitations to MENSA sponsored activities in your area.

I think the test cost $40 but I don't remember how much the dues were when my year was up. I thought it was too high at that point and wasn't worth the cost.

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[–] spkeck 9 years ago

youre not smart

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[–] cowpig-108-185491 9 years ago

I've got an IQ of 133 and I enjoyed it. Of course I'm also a film grad.

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[–] Pianohero4 8 years ago

You are a worthless pleb, which explains your love of slave morality. It didn't occur to you how ironic/convenient it is for charlatans such as Hawking to talk about "people that mention iq are dumb", when he is most famous for being "high iq"? It didn't occur to you that he is having his cake and eating it too? He gets to be praised and known for having a high iq while getting social points for virtue-signaling slave morality to the plebs? It's like when rich people talk about money not buying happiness. Also, iq not meaning anything, it didn't occur to you at your formal Mensa meetings that the people tended to be more intelligent that, say, a group of Down syndrome blacks? If IQ was meaningless, wouldn't there be overlap in IQ testing between down syndromes and a group of Nobel prize winning chemists? For someone that has a high iq, you really seem to experience some form of psychological anguish when someone expresses the idea of the,selves having a high IQ. Instead of meaningless platitudes, Hawking should have said "only the feeble minded get upset when someone mentions their high intelligence".

Please excuse any typos, this was typed on an iPad

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[–] kissthepink 8 years ago

+1
Anyway I think intelligence is not meritocratic. You are born with a given IQ and there's not much you can do in your life to change it.
Having a great body instead is meritocratic because you have to do follow a diet, exercise and live healthy. I would focus on that instead.
I don't know why if someone appreciates a person for her intelligence is considered deep and for her body, shallow.It should be the other way around.

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[–] 5535 9 years ago

True Grit was pretty good for a remake.

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[–] ChefHoobajoob 9 years ago

This is a pretty funny post. There's a difference between movies that you don't like and movies that suck.

For my money, Hail, Caesar! has not only become one of my favorite movies of theirs, but it's shot up to become one of my favorite movies of all time. Dense and sparse at the same time, funny and contemplative, satirical and compassionate. I'm so happy to be alive with these guys making all this awesomeness.

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[–] Justice68 9 years ago

Any morons who cast Jonah Hill..are well..morons and should be turned away by every publisher or advertising agency in Hollyweird.

Go away Coens.

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[–] FizzyGillespie 8 years ago

Martin Scorsese is a moron?

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[–] britneyfoxx 9 years ago

how much do the coens pay u?

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[–] resmat-1 9 years ago

The only way anyone could give a good answer to your question is if you took the time to explain why you disliked the movies. Telling us your age, religious group and IQ doesn't help much at all.

Why, for example, do you think that the ending to No Country for Old Men is "incohesive"? It's anti-climactic, yes, but do you not think it ties into the film's themes?

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[–] Kurios 9 years ago

Did you see any of the movies since Fargo? While they were not all amazing there were way more hits than misses.

O Brother Where Art Thou was great with an amazing soundtrack
Intolerable Cruelty was hilarious--
Burn After Reading is one of the funniest movies ever IMO
Big Lebowski was epic--John Goodman stole that show!
True Grit was ok
No Country for Old Men was great
Ladykillers was thier rare miss--Tom Hanks was bad in it IMO...
A Serious Man was very very good
Billy Bob Thorton was excellent in A Man Who Wasn't There--one of his best performances.

I haven't see Inside Llewyn Davis yet

"It doesn't mean that much to me to mean that much to you." -Neil Young

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[–] JasonRebourne 9 years ago

O Brother Where Art Thou was great with an amazing soundtrack

It was okay.

Intolerable Cruelty was hilarious--

It was quiet good.

Burn After Reading is one of the funniest movies ever IMO

No, that was one of the bad ones. The George Clooney paranoia about spies was funny but it would have been better suited to a five minute Youtube video. The rest of the plot sucked.

Big Lebowski was epic--John Goodman stole that show!

Yes, that is their best one.

True Grit was ok

Yeah, that one was good apart from the snake bite being contrived.

No Country for Old Men was great

It was good at first but the best thing was the cat and mouse game between Josh Brolin and Javier Bardem. Once Brolin was killed offscreen, it all went downhill. Tommy Lee Jones' character was pointless.

Ladykillers was thier rare miss--Tom Hanks was bad in it IMO...

It's not as bad as people say.

A Serious Man was very very good
Billy Bob Thorton was excellent in A Man Who Wasn't There--one of his best performances.

I haven't see Inside Llewyn Davis yet

Not seen those.

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[–] vampiremeep 9 years ago

You say Tommy Lee Jones' character was pointless.

The film is called 'No Country For Old Men.'

Try again.

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[–] NobodysFool 9 years ago

Exactly my thought. It's like saying Cinderella's character is irrellevant in "Cinderella."

I had to watch NCFOM a few times before I was hooked, but it has become a film I can watch repeatedly. Ed (Jones) became my favorite character. The scene with Ellis (Barry Corbin) sums up the title of the work for me. Ellis and Jones revisiting violent stories from the past, Ellis now inhabiting a reclusive existence, passing time; Jones lamenting how the world he inhabits no longer makes sense to him - the feeling change has passed him by. Ellis opposes Ed's mindset: "What you got ain't nothin' new. This country's hard on people. You can't stop what's comin'; it ain't all waitin' on you. That's vanity."

Times haven't changed, in essence. The old man has.

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[–] FizzyGillespie 8 years ago

Tommy Lee Jones is the protagonist. How on earth do you miss that?

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[–] speling_errer 9 years ago

A serious Man is one of the most pointless and boring films I've had the displeasure of watching, should calm down with your fanboyism.

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[–] jriley555 9 years ago

i guess you think the book of job is pointless too.

that film is a classic black comedy.

i rank it among their very finest. a little dark & subtle perhaps for the widest audience, but believe me, there is a audience that holds the film in the greatest esteem.

you have to perhaps be of a certain age to appreciate some of the nuances, such as being hectored by a columbia record club bill collector. i was almost the exact age of his kid, and was just the kind of kid who did what his kid did.

probably the coens, too. their freedom & willingness to riff on all the absurdities of their & our age which is no small part of their charm.

of course you probably disagree, i just wanted to show that there are different perspectives on these films.

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[–] hnesarel 9 years ago

I don't know why you haven't personally enjoyed any of the Coen Bros. films since Fargo, but a lot of them have been very very good films that millions have adored. Probably not worth worrying about though, plenty of people watch movies they don't enjoy including a lot of people who hate the early Coen Bros. stuff but love the newer ones. It's an each to their own situation :)

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