Because Ledger killed himself?
Where do you see anyone saying it was the fourth best movie in history?
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It was unfortunate that Ledger died, but for sure that gave the movie a bump.
And, for sure, this is NOT the 4th best, or 44th best, or 444th best movie in history.
It isn't even the 4th best comic book movie in history.
Name me 3 comic book movies better. Not to mention I find it funny idiots like you seem to think imdb has credibility. How many times must I explain that it's a user based website. Rottentomatoes and metacritic have more credibility because they have professional film critics on them.
shareName me 3 comic book movies better. Not to mention I find it funny idiots like you seem to think imdb has credibility.
You're of course aware you just contradicted yourself.
What's even better, is that I've told the moron several times that I have him on ignore. I can't see whatever feces he's throwing onto the screen, yet she keeps throwing it.
shareRe: Let's be serious here. 4th best movie IN HISTORY?
by justanicknamed » 1 hour ago (Fri Aug 26 2016 08:03:49)
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What's even better, is that I've told the moron several times that I have him on ignore. I can't see whatever feces he's throwing onto the screen, yet she keeps throwing it.
Yet you have also admitted that you haven't actually read many comics so you don't actually have the slightest idea how the characters are portrayed in the comics. When someone who has read EVERY Batman comic published and who you have on ignore then points out just how full of crap you are others can read what the informed person has said and realize that you have no Earthly idea what you are talking about.
Umm, actually, I never said that I haven't read many comic books. I have. I have even read a good number of the more current comic books. Your butt buddy is wrong as usual.
shareUmm, actually, I never said that I haven't read many comic books. I have. I have even read a good number of the more current comic books. Your butt buddy is wrong as usual.
God dam you are one butthurt Nolantard.
As I said in a different thread.
I'm guessing you are the typical millennial who finds that the things from his generation are the best because they are from his generation, and therefore they are the best.
You also seem to be the typical Nolanite DC/fanboi who can never accept anything negative about his "god."
Batman 1989 was ground breaking. Superman 1 & 2 paved the way for modern superhero movies and #2 touched upon being a bit dark. Batman was dark for a mainstream comic book movie. If it had failed, TDK trilogy would never have been made.
Were the Burton films perfect? No. But they were made in 1989 - when there were a lot more restrictions by studios as to what could be done in movies. Plus, audiences wouldn't have accepted such boring representations of mainstream superhero's as DC has been putting out.
Batman Begins was a good movie and a good start to the trilogy. But after that, they just became too dull.
Plus, and this is always a key to it all. When discussing The Dull Knight trilogy, Nolanites and DC fanbois ALWAYS play them up as if they are the greatest movies ever. They accept no criticism of the movies.
If they did, then there could be some discussion of the movies. But they don't. They dismiss all criticism as nitpicks.
As far as the comic books I've read, I did most of the reading from the mid 1970's through the mid 1980's. Here and there I picked up a few to read. Most recently it has been the New 52
Well bud I am here to tell you a lot has changed since you stopped reading.
Second people are allowed to prefer Nolan's Batman films over Burton's. Just like you are allowed to prefer Burton's over Nolan's.
Third just because something comes first does not make it better by default.
Fourth I find it funny that you put all this stock in cultural impact. What about critical reception? Nolan's films were better received than Burton's were.
You acting like it's a fact Burton's are better is rather ignorant. I haven't once stated it's a fact Nolan's are better because it boils down to opinion.
Well, bud, I am here to tell you that I'm aware of a lot of the changes. That doesn't mean that choosing a boring version of the characters is a good thing.
No sh!t, Sherlock. Of course, certain people have to be jack offs and call the movies they don't like "trash", jack off.
I never said that it did. What I have said is that Batman 1989 made all of the Nolan films possible. It was the first time in modern cinema that Batman had been on the big screen, and not only did he look believable, but he was done in a dark manner. That had barely been done prior to that movie in mainstream comic book movies.
I'm also saying Nolan had an easier time because Begins was a reboot after two HORRIBLE movies. And, TDK had and even easier time because he didn't have to tell any back-story and he was able to get away with stuff because Nolanties accept anything he dishes out and most others were easy on the critique because of Ledger's unfortunate death.
When it was released, everyone went crazy on it. It was everywhere with most theaters having extra showings (I know I saw it at a 10pm showing on a Sunday or Tuesday night which was unheard of at the time)
"I liked parts of it, but the whole movie is mainly boring to me. It's OK, but it was more of a cultural phenomenon than a great movie.
Oh, so THAT'S why you refer to them as, "Burton's trash", you hypocritical sh!t head.
Good thing he did not choose a boring version.
So I get heat for calling Burton trash but you are allowed to call TDK and TDKR horrible?
you have a right to say Nolan's films are boring and bland.
Never denied this. However if it had not been Burton it would have been someone else.
Ledger death
Let me quote Tim Burton on this one.
I am entitled to my opinion just like you.
When the most memorable line is, "Why so serious?", it was boring. The whole tone of The Dull Knight and The Dull Knight Rests was morose. Who wants to come out of a mainstream comic book movie feeling down?
Yes. I also don't think all of his movies are boring and bland. TDK and TDKR certainly were.
Thanks for admitting that I never said they were the best because they were the first. And, it is doubtful anyone besides Burton could have pulled those two movies off. At least not for another 10 - 15 years. And then where would that have put Nolan's Boreman?
The casting of Ledger was soundly trashed at the time. Right after he died, it was praised.
I rest my case.
You can do all of the comparisons you want. It was a different time, and yet the movie was HUGE. It had critics raving, and this was in the days before any keyboard warrior could claim to be a critic.
Nope. Not when you are wrong.
I never said you directly said it but you definitely implied it.
also Keaton was trashed when he was casted as Batman.
Yep just like a Burtonite deny objective stats.
Critics never were in love with Batman 1989.
Ledger's performance was already getting a ton of buzz before he died. Stop making sh!t up and stating it as fact. Who am I kidding, you once said Clint Eastwood has won four Oscars for acting. It's obvious you have no fúcking clue what you're talking about.
Nolantards
No, moron. I said "Begins" followed two HORRIBLE movies. That is unless you don't understand the difference between "followed" and "preceded".
And AFTER THEY SAW HIS PERFORMANCE, not before, the people praised the decision. They saw that Burton got it right. That was further backed up by how casting people who fit "the look" better (Kilmer & Clooney) sucked.
My case is sh!t.
First off, I've only seen 8 of his movies all of the way through. Secondly, I'd be surprised if I even knew half of those movies were directed by him. A lot of the movies he directed I haven't even heard of. I don't follow directors and, unlike Nolantards, I don't worship them.
Lastly, your "objective stats" aren't objective because the tools you use for measurement weren't around when those movies were first out. Everything about your "stats" is from the perspective of a world with the internet. Apples vs. oranges.
And yet they were. Having lived through it I thought it was great that superhero movie were getting a fair shake finally.
More credibility? Critics on those sites couldn't become actors / writers / producers so they roll a dice and add big words in reviews to sound intelligent.
FU** critics.
....hence, f@#k the critics on imdb.
This place used to be about loving movies. Now it's all trash talk by keyboard warriors.
Why let the ratings on imdb get to you? You don't have to agree with it....but it is what people have voted for. So unless you want to make multiple fake profiles and rank it down, there's not much you can do.
Whoa
Whoa,
Matrix is better than Inception
and
Heat is better than
The Dark Knight
But the dark knight is a goold movie
Why so serious?
The future is in the hands of a man who has none.(As in no future, as opposed to no hands.)
Heath Ledger is a decoy. Just a face to a name. Do you think Hollywood really exists? A land where people can play make believe and make millions? You're dreaming. God sees everything you fool! HAHAHAHAHA film is everything we can't see. All of our carefully conceived denials.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEVrzwXDdyuRnG6VMfoT2nyS0TdznlSDc
Did they forget to teach you einstein's theory of relativity in school?
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What the fu** happened to my thread?
shareMaybe it would be more popular if you died.
The future is in the hands of a man who has none.(As in no future, as opposed to no hands.)
Regardless of his or her post. You shouldn't wish death on anyone. Nothing should get you so angry that you dismiss the value of human life.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEVrzwXDdyuRnG6VMfoT2nyS0TdznlSDc
Awesome flyby! Wave at the pretty airplane.
shareNolan fanboy thinks my thread would be more popular if I died.
I seriously dobt it though. I was just wondering why the thread turned into an arguement between two people.
"We monitor every black person's phone in America"
I'll let you know when I find the Nolan fanboy you're talking about, cupcake.
The future is in the hands of a man who has none.(As in no future, as opposed to no hands.)
Scorpion_Deathlock:
Nolan fanboy thinks my thread would be more popular if I died.
I seriously dobt it though. I was just wondering why the thread turned into an arguement between two people.
I didn't wish death on anyone. I was mocking his premise.
The future is in the hands of a man who has none.(As in no future, as opposed to no hands.)
No point in answering someone like that. Clearly trolling. If they knew anything about film they wouldn't have said that. One could argue that THE CROW is only popular because Brandon Lee died while filming a scene. And also because he's Bruce Lee's son. But, THE DARK KNIGHT is a legitimate masterpiece that proved comic book movies could appeal to a larger, more intelligent audience, without using too much CGI and flashy costumes.
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This on the other hand was pure genius.
Heath Ledger is a decoy. Just a face to a name. Do you think Hollywood really exists? A land where people can play make believe and make millions? You're dreaming. God sees everything you fool! HAHAHAHAHA film is everything we can't see. All of our carefully conceived denials.
I was recently writing a story about a person on meds with an irrational fear of car accidents. Over time they become convinced that they were seriously injured in a car accident and the meds that this person takes represent the body on another level being kept alive by a life support unit. Now that I think about it. I think I titled it "The Actor." Because eventually this person is convinced that he's no longer alive. In this dream world of his he realizes that the only way to wake up is to die. As the character approaches his 28 birthday he looks back on the life of an actor named Joshua Rhinestone that died in a way that was similar to Heath Ledger. The character starts to believe that all of the people interacting with him in the comatose world are simply saints or loved ones letting him go. This is of course after seeing those projections as demons. I haven't finished the story yet. It's still not coherent enough. >>> (A film starring Jennifer Lopez) Probably because I had a stroke somewhere in between conceiving that idea.
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shareThat's not Jacob's Ladder. I've never seen Jacob's Ladder minus a few scenes. You could've also said it sounded like STAY (2005). When I said demons I was talking about my demons. Which pass as ordinary people. They tell you things with the hope that you kill yourself. And JL is a metaphorical piece on PTSD. It was also filmed at a time when tensions in the Middle East were rising so it could pose as an anti-war film. Clearly worked since the Gulf War started in what 91'? '92? I guess the same could be said about my story. But there's no evidence that the character was ever in an accident.
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I've never seen Jacob's Ladder minus a few scenes....And JL is a metaphorical piece on PTSD. It was also filmed at a time when tensions in the Middle East were rising so it could pose as an anti-war film. Clearly worked since the Gulf War started in what 91'? '92?
But there's no evidence that the character was ever in an accident.
His son Played by Macaulay Culkin (possibly uncredited). I don't disagree with what you said because I've seen enough and read enough about JL to know what's going on. I have a strange way of seeing things. I didn't learn to read until I was 21. I knew how to remember stuff because I have an elephant memory. I mean I could read a definition and things like that. But, if I was assigned a book to read...couldn't comprehend the meaning. In my head it was just a bunch of words. What could this writer possibly teach me that I didn't already know? What words could I remember? What words could I forget? And of course the internal struggle and anxiety that comes with thinking like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6xPgwFjkWo
Nevertheless, I've been into stopmotion filmmaking recently. This little clip probably summarizes in 16 seconds what Dunkirk will be in full duration.
You're an interesting dude, Kyle.
By way of clarification, I was not trying to imply that your story was a rip off of JL, I was just taken by some of the similarities. As you point out, that ground has been trodden in a great many stories.
The novel is about a world that is interconnected. Television and news media are all in separate dimensions. The protagonist in the story is named Marcel Wilco. Marco Wilco has appeared in some of Holliday’s previous novels including the timeless classic Shelter From The Rain. Both novels connect, however, the plot of Patriarch, takes on a new genre, fantasy and it’s told using a dual narrative that allows the readers imagination to flock to uncharted territory. The Future Kind are the beings from the future that represent the angels that will save the lost souls of the now.
The famous actor Joshua Rhinestone commits suicide and shocks the entire world. Marcel Wilco hears the news from (as we learn later on in the novel) from his universe. There is a 3-7 year gap between worlds. Marcel learns from a fallen angel that he is in danger. Her name is Kendra and she fell from the sky, supposedly a place called The Kingdom, but she suffers from amnesia and needs to recover her memory.
Angels fall from the heaven and are known by humans as changelings. Contact was made between us and another dimension of human beings. We do not know if these characters exist in the actual world.
That angels are actually tiny creatures that live underneath our feet and they have their own little worlds.
All good.
“When you expect the world to end at any moment, you know there is no need to hurry."
The novel is about a world that is interconnected. Television and news media are all in separate dimensions. The protagonist in the story is named Marcel Wilco. Marco Wilco has appeared in some of Holliday’s previous novels including the timeless classic Shelter From The Rain. Both novels connect, however, the plot of Patriarch, takes on a new genre, fantasy and it’s told using a dual narrative that allows the readers imagination to flock to uncharted territory. The Future Kind are the beings from the future that represent the angels that will save the lost souls of the now.
The famous actor Joshua Rhinestone commits suicide and shocks the entire world. Marcel Wilco hears the news from (as we learn later on in the novel) from his universe. There is a 3-7 year gap between worlds. Marcel learns from a fallen angel that he is in danger. Her name is Kendra and she fell from the sky, supposedly a place called The Kingdom, but she suffers from amnesia and needs to recover her memory.
Angels fall from the heaven and are known by humans as changelings. Contact was made between us and another dimension of human beings. We do not know if these characters exist in the actual world.
That angels are actually tiny creatures that live underneath our feet and they have their own little worlds.
All good. I wasn't mad or anything like that. I'm used to being mocked and insulted in conversation. With presumption of retardation, and knowing nothing. Watching movies got me through some extremely difficult times in my life. I have a strong admiration for those involved in filmmaking. I would love to be paid for something I love doing. Even if the salary was 8 dollars an hour. Because I love the work.
“When you expect the world to end at any moment, you know there is no need to hurry."
It was early spring when Adam Gomez had begun losing his mind. It was the end of spring when Adam Gomez’s body was found floating in the Harper Spring Reservoir. The cause of death was ruled a suicide.
[That wasn’t the true story though, that was just speculation]
Adam took a dive off a steep cliff wearing a parachute. The jump wasn’t high enough for the chute to be of much use. Either way, he jumped and opened the chute. On the way down the chute got caught on a tree branch and wrapped around his neck. Turning blue he took out a swiss army knife and cut himself free. The free fall continued before he landed on a pile of rocks and smashed his skull. However, he still wasn’t dead. In some freak sequence of events, the town drunk lost control of his car and drove off a cliff, the car then landed on Adam. It turns out that the body floating in the reservoir wasn’t even that of Adam Joshua. This body has yet to be identified.
“When you expect the world to end at any moment, you know there is no need to hurry."
Kyle followed the bloody trail. “This is it for me.” He thought aloud. No one follows a trail of blood and lives to tell about it. “What if they’re isn’t any body? What if it’s just a man who formed out of some blood particle that fell from space and slowly it becomes the monster that awaits my fate?”
He heard of a story one time. It wasn’t like the real woods in this one. The story was still creepy though. This boy or girl, he forgets which, all he knows is that they were killed by a monster. Gabby Jenkins was the name. She followed this mystery phantom on her computer and somehow ended up in this temporary hell. The devil trapped her. He possessed her but during her possession she wrote as herself in a journal. Her parents were all the devil and they would get in her face and scream at her and tell her to kill herself so eventually she did. It was a horrific story. Sure, but what if that article was made up? Just a story to make me scared? “I’m not scared of no blood.”
Kyle decides to walk into the woods of Grace Hollow Park. Could be some animal even. Kyle just tends to overthink when he’s excited. He turns on his phone’s flash light as the bloody trail nears the end. He can see a dead body. Fresh too. Whatever killed this -shines light- young woman just got done. He dials 911 on his cell.
-911 what’s your emergency?”
-Yeah I have stumbled over a dead body in Grace Hollow Park-
Kyle hangs up the phone and decides he wants to catch the killer.
OUT OF THE NIGHT
OPENING TITLES
A MURDER MYSTERY
Police are surrounding the body of the woman.
“Fangs?”
“This is the craziest *beep* I’ve ever seen.”
Peter Clapton speaks on that…
“I’ve seen worse actually…”
The officers turn to him…
“Oh yeah? Enlighten us?”
“It was a few years back this chick this young girl was possessed by the devil. She killed herself.”
The one officer knows what he means.
“I remember hearing that..yeah that story was spooky.”
The coroner comes and bags her up. The scene is now empty. _well except for the scene of crime tape._
Kyle walks towards the back of the woods. He sees a cabin in the near distance. In the dark it looked much further away. A light turns on in the cabin.
“A hermit in the woods? The Killer?”
Kyle pulls out his phone and texts Kevin.
[MUrd3r n woodz asap]
Kyle doubted Kevin would respond nor understand that text message. The twin detectives were over. Everyone grew up. Everyone except Kyle.
The incident occurred in Glen Mills, Pa. August 6, 2000. I can’t recall much of that day, Hell, I forget what day of the week it was. I just remember it as the day that changed my life forever. I saw evil forces that evening, that I once doubted. I’m a grown ass man and I still need a light on to fall asleep.
“When you expect the world to end at any moment, you know there is no need to hurry."
Who said Dark Knight was a masterpiece`?
"We monitor every black person's phone in America"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPU-tgfn8-w
How long have you been following me with a camera?
The future is in the hands of a man who has none.(As in no future, as opposed to no hands.)
Someone needs to check out the outstanding web series titled The Only Outsider.
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And you're comment wasn't really necessary. As if to insult my intelligence. As if I would comment on forum on a website dedicated to filmmaking without knowing that Jacob's Ladder existed. I think it was the condescending tone I felt from your post. Like oh, Jacob's Ladder....
No other film could exist with those elements because Jacob's Ladder is a flawless masterpiece that used imagery similar to GHOST.
Because Ray Bradbury and HP Lovecraft and countless others told the same story...but if we were talking books I would probably agree with you.
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Yeah it's weird. Is it the best superhero film ever made? I think so. The #4 best movie EVER MADE??? Above Citizen Kane? No. It is not. It's probably #150 or so.
"You keep him in here, and make sure HE doesn't leave!"
Do you have the 'nads to answer the question the OP ignored: Who have you seen saying that it's the fourth best movie in history?
shareAll this time I've avoided rating movies on this site because IMDb requires me to rate the entire catalog of film in order to place that particular movie among them.
The future is in the hands of a man who has none.(As in no future, as opposed to no hands.)
IKR? I was trying to be a good steward of my star-clicky and watch everything, but I got stuck on the cinema of Finland and just could not force myself to watch any more. I suppose I'll power through it, someday, but for now I have just contented myself with rating movies based on how much I enjoy them.
share"Who said this is the 4th best movie all-time?"
Millions of people registered on iMDB throughout the world.
"Chandler would never do that to Ross" - Jamie Kennedy
Nope. People rated a movie 1-10. The format on IMDb ranked the films according to the votes. Get it now?
The future is in the hands of a man who has none.(As in no future, as opposed to no hands.)
You get it that people have rated the movies, and not machines?
"Chandler would never do that to Ross" - Jamie Kennedy
Machines calculated the votes based on a 1-10 rating that users gave.
No person voted this the fourth best movie of all time. That was determined by a computer that averaged out all of the votes.
A lot of people liked the movie and gave it high 1-10 rating. That does not equate to a lot of people, or any person, rating the movie as the fourth best of all time.
It's like this;
'The Eagles - Greatest Hits' is one of the best selling albums of all time.
That is because a lot of people like the Eagles and a lot of people bought the album.
That doesn't mean that 'The Eagles - Greatest Hits' is one of the best albums of all time. I know a lot of people, including myself, who own that album.
I don't know one person who would rank it as one of the best albums of all time.
Again, and this is really incredibly simple, not one person who gave 'The Dark Knight' a high 1-10 ranking rated it as the fourth best movie of all time.
To determine the fourth best movie according to IMDb voters the polling methodology would need to be altered to allow voters to list their favorite movies not on a 1-10 scale but on a list scale where each user lists a predetermined number of movies in their order of preference.
Those individual lists would then need to be compiled into the master list which would determine the best movies.
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