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significance of the raspberries, whistle and some other clues* spoiler*


after reading the majority of the posts on this board i realized no one mentioned the significance of the raspberries. they appeared twice in the movie, one in the retrieved footage where benigna prepared raspberries for the children to eat. notice neither thomas(who was dead) nor laura(who had been adopted) was present. the second time was when laura tried to invite the spirit of the children. somehow i have the gut feeling that's how benigna poisoned and killed the 5 children to revenge thomas.

when laura heard the whistle "in her dream" it was more likely from Simon as a cry for help in the basement. remember we learnt later from the movie that both thomas and his mother had the whistle, perhaps a way of communicating to each other since thomas was often kept in the basement.
later we heard the big thump when laura finally got up. but by then simon had falled off the stairs.

after some reading i have converted to the non-supernatural theory. but the one thing that puzzles me is how did simon find out about his illness and that he was adopted? even if he did find the papers he was 7. he couldn't possible know how to read complicated documents. i've thought about the possiblity that benigna told him during her visit. but simon said it was thomas and from what i gathered, simon doesn't seem to be the kind of kids who lie. can someone please help?

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I definitely got the impression that Benigna used the berries to poison the children.

As for the whistle: We know that Simon had been trapped in the basement for a while and because of the party and the trip to the hospital, no one was around to hear his calls. He could have found the whistle of Tomas' when he was down in the basement and used it to call for help up by the door. That may have woken Laura up and then we hear Simon fall off the stairs. No more noises.

I think the movie does mix supernatural and real. I don't think there is a way of saying that none of it was supernatural, as the house continually has the sound of footsteps from all over. Of course, you could say that Laura was just crazy, but I'm always annoyed by the "oh they were just crazy" cop-out.

I agree that 1. Simon knowing about the documents because his "friend" told him, 2. The ghost in the cave 3. The ghost that crawls in bed with Laura, 4. The strange noises made by Simon in the mask, etc. etc. are all intended to be supernatural.

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I think you're right about the berries, however I believe it was blackberries :)
Not important though, I'm convinced the children were poisoned. We see Benigna standing with the five children (Victor, Rita, Alicia, Guillermo and Martin) while eating said berry tart. Aurora also finds the children out of their minds, possibly because of the agony of the poisoning. Lastly, after Carlos has left, Laura tries to bring the children back by making another tart and placing it on the same table, wearing the same clothes as Benigna, etc. I definitely think Benigna poisoned the tart and thus killed the children.

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how did simon find out about his illness and that he was adopted? even if he did find the papers he was 7. he couldn't possible know how to read complicated documents. i've thought about the possiblity that benigna told him during her visit. but simon said it was thomas and from what i gathered, simon doesn't seem to be the kind of kids who lie. can someone please help?
I don't see that this can be answered by the non-supernatural version. Nor can the games Simon wants his mother to play.
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Someone on here said that in the deleted scenes of the movie, there was one where he overheard the old crazy lady and his mother talk about him and the disease, that's how he knew.

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