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Is the monkeys death graphic?


I didn´t see the movie yet, would love to watch it cause it looks so brilliant...but I have to confess I can´t see animals getting killed. Call me crazy, but I can stand every kind of graphic scenes when it comes to humans, but violence to animals is hauting me for weeks, even if it´s fiction.
A friend told me it was just awful to see the dead monkey - please be honest - is it very graphic or very sad?

And does anyone know details how they worked with the monkey? Did they drug him to shot the scenes when he was dead? I´m really easily disturbed by stuff like this.

Thank you!

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It was touching, rather than graphic, only a little blood was to be seen. I remember they told something about the scene, maybe drugged the monkey, dont know, but you really should not avoid this movie just because of this 10 seconds...

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Thanks a lot h-nyina!

Just ordered the DVD :)

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Try shutting your eyes for 90 seconds.

This reminds me of what I read about the Inquisition. A man went through various tortures ending with him being pulled apart by four horses tied to all four arms and legs. They hit the horses with whips and a noble woman who came to wath the sport cried and said "Oh, those poor horses" True story.

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Could have been me, lol

No seriously. I know that I´m feeling a bit different in that issues like may others do. I´m working with animals since ages and we´re living together with a LOT of animals (rescue), I have a very close connection to them and I totally admit I set animals on the same level like humans.
Call me odd, but I´m totally behind this. It´s me :)

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I totally know how you feel about animals being hurt or killed in movies, even though I know the animals themselves are not being harmed. It depends on how realistic the scene is. If I can tell that they've subbed in some kind of puppet or dummy or whathaveyou, it's okay... but I especially hate when they have horses in battle scenes, where they're falling or whatever. Animals are not actors, and they can't be expected to understand what's happening! There's a scene in The Patriot that makes me feel sick-- Mel Gibson kills a guy by sticking a sword or lance or whatever right up through a horse to kill its rider, and the horse falls face-forward. While of course the horse wasn't stabbed for real, he still fell and acted terrified. Poor horse. :(

The monkey scene in this movie wasn't too hard to watch, because he's shot off-screen, and it was obvious that they just painted on a bullet wound to the monkey's fur. And then it just looks like he falls asleep, and the characters move on. I think maybe they might have given him a sedative, at most.

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Yeah they probably gave the monkey a sedative or the monkey has great acting skills.
The monkey looked happy through the film and we all like a bit of sedative from time to time, even monkeys


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In "How to Kill Your Neghbour's Dog" there's a scene with a dog being shot and falling dead on the ground. At first I thought of sedatives too. Then, at the end of the film, after the end credits they show the same scene with the dog dead on the ground and just when the director shouts "CUT" the dog gets up and starts running! If a dog has such acting skills I guess a monkey can do even better.

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Useless body of information but the torture method you are referring to is called quartered and is a part of the hanged, dragged and quartered procedure where the victim is first hanged but not killed, then dragged after a horse but again not killed, lastly the victim is killed by being quartered as you described.

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True story, that you got wrong ... it wasn't something that happened with the inquisition ... it was an execution for an attempted assassination of Louis XV ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert-François_Damiens

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I'm a bleeding-heart vegan who rescues earthworms from sidewalks, but I was actually able to chuckle at the scene simply because the monkey did such a great over-acting death scene that I thought it was cute (although I don't think I was supposed to). You didn't see the monkey get killed, only the aftermath. It wasn't gory, and the scene struck me very much as a Hollywood "character dying in the arms of another character and then goes limp" scene, and it quickly moves on.

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Thanks Tvienti,

watched it now and glad I did, this movie is an epic piece of art!

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tvienti,

I chuckled at the monkey's death too and I think we were supposed to. As you indicate, Wallace played the part of the 1920s movie hero perfectly. With red paint to the heart, eyes weakly lingering on Darwin for more than a moment too long, he finally lets his head fall back, closes his eyes for the last time, and he's gone. The monkey deserves an Oscar.

Did anyone else notice the significance of the monkey's name? Alfred Russel Wallace was a contemporary of Darwin who sent him him an unpublished essay of his own independently derived theory of evolution. The two men then published their works jointly.

Marcia


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I didn't catch that, but it's listed in the trivia section:

Darwin's monkey "Wallace" is a reference to the naturalist Alfred Russel Wallace who independently developed the idea of natural selection. Darwin and Wallace presented the theory together, but due to the publication of "On the Origin of Species" Darwin usually gets sole credit for the theory. The scene on Butterfly Island when Darwin closes Wallace in the sack and says " we.... I have an idea" alludes to him taking sole credit for ideas that were not completely his own.





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You should watch Life of Pi.

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@mbautista86... I was curious about Life of Pi, but...what is the fate of all of the animals? There's a scene in the trailer where we see a zebra swimming for its life. I can't stand seeing stuff happen to animals in films. I know it's just a film and that the animal's probably living better than I am, lol, but still...

OH! And, to the OP who's most likely seen the movie by now, the monkey's death scene didn't get to me as much as the bit with the horse during the opening credits. They didn't show anything, but the horse's fate was mentioned.




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I'm pretty sure most of the animals in Life of Pi were CGI. Some parts were real animals but most of the action scenes etc felt very... fake. You could especially see it in the movements, which didn't feel natural, and sometimes the "plastic" look of them. They were some of the best CGI animals I've ever seen though, but there's just something missing that makes you certain that they're not real. I have a hard time watching stressed or terrified animals myself, but in Life of Pi I never got any of those feelings, because the animals simply didn't feel real. When they got scared you subconsciously knew they weren't actually animals, so it didn't hurt that much. But, remember that it's a tiger, a hyena, a zebra and an orangutan stuck on a boat together (with a human)... and the predators get both angry and hungry. So I understand if you still don't wanna watch it, even if they're CGI.

Oh and I agree with you on the horse scene in The Fall, it affected me a lot more than the monkey's death. It reminded me of The Color of Paradise which I saw like a week ago, where a horse falls into a river. I could barely watch it because you could really sense the fear. I'm sure they picked the horse up as soon as they got their shot and calmed it down, but still... it's not okay just throwing a horse into a river and getting it all panicky just for a film, because it obviously has no idea what's going on. It's literally terrified, it's not just acting terrified like a human would.

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motherofeyebrows, I'm glad you mentioned that about Life of Pi. I avoided that movie like the plague because of what harm I feared might come to the animals...even as I know it's just a movie. It's still hard to witness. I can watch Pi now, lol. :)



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I don't get why such fuss was made over the monkey's death scene. It was not graphic for me. Sad, yes. But graphic, no. Just some blood is shown. I heard the movie's rating went up due to that scene. Why? It's not like they showed some brutal slaughter or anything.

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I didn't notice much fuss over Wallace's death, but it is funny that anyone would worry about that particular scene when there's so much death/violence in the film.

Luigi is blown to bits by explosives, Darwin is shot and falls from a great height, the both the Indian and his "squaw" die from seperate falls, Otta Benga is shot with about a hundred arrows, the Mystic is kicked, stomped and beaten to death, and Odious impales himself accidentally, but that's okay. Just don't get graphic with the monkey's death, LOL.

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I asked because I personally have a particular problem with seeing violence towards animals. This is a sore spot of mine and seeing such things can spoil a movie to me.
And I also avoid watching movies where animals have to go through distress or even get sedated or anything like that to tape the scene.
A human actor can decide whatever he wants to do and what not, but animals have no choice.
I'm not sure what movie it was, I believe it was "The Fountain", where a monkey got sedated 2 times for a scene, and such stuff is not alright with me.

I'm working with animals myself and there are things I'm simply not keen to see, because I can't take it, I get too emotional. I don't have a general problem with violence in movies, only if it involves animals.

But thanks for your input!

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I asked because I personally have a particular problem with seeing violence towards animals. This is a sore spot of mine and seeing such things can spoil a movie to me.
And I also avoid watching movies where animals have to go through distress or even get sedated or anything like that to tape the scene.
A human actor can decide whatever he wants to do and what not, but animals have no choice.
I'm not sure what movie it was, I believe it was "The Fountain", where a monkey got sedated 2 times for a scene, and such stuff is not alright with me.

I'm working with animals myself and there are things I'm simply not keen to see, because I can't take it, I get too emotional. I don't have a general problem with violence in movies, only if it involves animals.

But thanks for your input!

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I wish people would use the word 'graphic' correctly. It does not mean 'gruesome' or 'grisly' or 'gory'. It means "of or relating to visual art".

So yes, it was definitely graphic. I thought it was sad, but not overly gross. I don't like to see that stuff, either.

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graph·ic (grăf′ĭk)
adj. also graph·i·cal (-ĭ-kəl)
1.
a. Of or relating to written representation.
b. Of or relating to pictorial representation.
2. Of, relating to, or represented by a graph: a chart that provided graphic representation of population statistics.
3. Depicted or described in vivid detail: a graphic account of the accident.


The last is what people mean when asking if something is graphic, in this context. It doesn't only mean "of or relating to visual art" and similar.

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Call me crazy, but I can stand every kind of graphic scenes when it comes to humans, but violence to animals is hauting me for weeks, even if it´s fiction.


You are crazy.



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I saw in the commentary track (by Lee Pace and some other co-writers) that the monkey was medicated to do the death scene. There were actually more than one monkey to do the whole role of Wallace.

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