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Cantica Untaru (little romanian girl)


Not sure if I got the spelling right, but does anyone think this was the best acting they've ever seen by a child? I am sure many of the scenes were slightly improvised, which made her character so much more natural and amazing. She may not even be an incredible actress if it was simply the beautiful improvisations of an innocent girl; however, if she rehearsed all of her lines and delivered them that well then I have to keep an eye on her for the future. I've never seen such a believable child character... anyone else feel this way?

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Because she was neither trained nor experienced, she didn't even get what they were doing and who were those people, so Tarsem and crew had to manipulate her innoconce and naiveness through her co-stars, captured on camera as we see in the first half...but at the end of the hospital scene to the fantasy scene she learned that she's being filmed and the people are actually actors and film crew, she began to follow instructions and advices on how to act.

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From the commentary, she always knew she was in a film, but nevertheless in some scenes they tricked her so the reactions you actually see are sometimes acting, sometimes genuine reactions.

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OMGosh - i thought her performance was Amazing!

Cantica reminded me so, so much of my own granddaughter when she that age (at about 8 years old), with her little round face & button nose...

in just a few days (March 21st) Cantinca will be 16 years old...
if you've a mind to, go to Google Images and type in her name to see what a lovely & beautiful young lady she has turned out to be...

according to her bio: "When she was three years old, she told her grandparents that she would like to became a theatre actress waiting for people to give her flowers on a stage...."

it seems she hasn't done much since The Fall...
i wonder if she'll continue her acting career?






I don't feel old ~ I don't feel anything until noon...

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I sort of agree with this. I also found the child very annoying tbh. And even though I did not like Looper very much, the child in it did give a brilliant performance. I also loved the kid in 'Hugo'. His eyes are so beautiful and full of emotions. And his character was written nicely too. Not annoying at all.

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Wanting an innocent child to be dead...what are you a hooker?

Well, she was only annoying in the movie, but you are a horrible person in real life. I'm not going to watch Looper, because I'm terribly annoyed by it's fan here. Any movies recommended by The Fall's trolling haters here, I swear I will never watch them. I don't take "advice" from trolls. Sorry!

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Well, fair is fair: I want you dead, then. Maybe I'm lucky.

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She was pretty great, I would add the boy from Cinema Paradiso to the list of kids as good or better.

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Wow, I thought she was better than the kid in Looper. I didnt find her annoying since sI figured part of the act was that she was supposed to be mildly annoying being that she is a young kid. The kid in Looper wasnt good but I dont think it was anything amazing. Not like the kid overload in Kill Bill Vol 2.

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Chubby cute kids usually don't grow up to be attractive unfortunately.

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Chubby cute kids usually don't grow up to be attractive unfortunately
From my experience, that is not accurate. Children and chubby go together and growing up takes care of the chubbiness. Here's one of my faves. This is Jim Carrey's daughter Jane http://cbsk1047.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/516867031.jpg?w=594&h= 349&crop=1and this is Jim Carrey's daughter Jane. http://cdn.crushable.com/files/2012/01/article400_jane_carrey1.jpg

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Yes, this has been often commented on. It's almost shocking. You don't realise how unrealistic other child actors really are until you see this.

From the commentary, several bits are semi-improvised---including her first big speech where she says that Alexander The Great should've given every soldier a leeeetle bit of water. That was her ad hoc response when asked 'what would you do?' And then she starts biting the sheet. The most realistic child portrayal I've ever seen. You could never -write- those kinds of things and child actors would never do them.


What I find most interesting is that one doesn't think of 'improvisation' when talking about Tarsem's movies... they're so staged. But it's just a case of perfect casting and letting her do her thing.

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It was probably the greatest natural performance by a young child I've ever seen, but I agree with some of the other posters here that this had a lot to do with the director-and-actor interaction, the way Tarsem got that performance out of that unlikely, and I think absolutely adorable and wonderful, child. It's also true that the script-plus-improv in the dialogue was responsible for that performance as well. Watching a film like this makes you realize how really rare it is that you see people talking to each other in films like they actually do in real life, especially when it comes to children.

Imagine the film with the typical "actor's" performance from a child, without the hesitations and feel of real speech, with a "beautiful" (as in, perfectly groomed little starlet, or perfectly mussed up by a team of makeup people) child, and see what you end up with. The sense of reality in that character is the absolute center of the film, as far as I'm concerned. With it, you have a great film. Without it, it falls.

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I think Lee Pace had some script, and it was up to him to steer catinca in the rough direction Tarsem wanted to go, while allowing enough space for her to set out some plot points (like the 3 in morphine. That was a misunderstanding where she misread the handwriting, but Tarsem realised that could become a plot point)

On my DVD there's a couple of little features, behind the scenes thing. You can see the other actors, but especially Pace helping guide Catinca through the more complex scenes outside. In the hospital they just focused on getting her reactions, but in the staged bits (especially the ending, when it's all going to *beep* they had to get her to act appropriately for the scene.

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It was probably the greatest natural performance by a young child I've ever seen, but I agree with some of the other posters here that this had a lot to do with the director-and-actor interaction, the way Tarsem got that performance out of that unlikely, and I think absolutely adorable and wonderful, child. It's also true that the script-plus-improv in the dialogue was responsible for that performance as well. Watching a film like this makes you realize how really rare it is that you see people talking to each other in films like they actually do in real life, especially when it comes to children.

Imagine the film with the typical "actor's" performance from a child, without the hesitations and feel of real speech, with a "beautiful" (as in, perfectly groomed little starlet, or perfectly mussed up by a team of makeup people) child, and see what you end up with. The sense of reality in that character is the absolute center of the film, as far as I'm concerned. With it, you have a great film. Without it, it falls.

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Yo, thanks, Ratso. Ba-boom. ;-)

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I loved this film for the little girl - LOVED this film, she was SO CAPTIVATING.
But watch "Ponette" or "Spirit of the Beehive" and you will see many children acting the same, barely "acting" - they are usually tricked into thinking the situation is somewhat real. Really, if you loved this, though, you will probably love Spirit of the Beehive.

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Also it's interesting to note that they are not necessarily as good actors when they are older as they are when so young. See Anna Paquin.

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Oh, Lord, why don't you mention two of the other best natural child performances ever?

Talk about on the money. I had exactly the same reaction to both of those young actors. Anybody who hasn't seen those films should do so at the earliest possible opportunity. It's just beyond belief how good they are. Crushing. Heartbreaking.

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She was indeed very good when she WAS acting but most of the time she wasn't acting imo. That's why her performance seems even more impressive because every actor is trying to convince us (& themselves) they are not acting but in her case I get the impression she is just being herself and reacting the way she normally would.

A lot of credit can be given to the director and Lee Pace for giving the scenes the improvisational flexibility to work with every child's strongest attribute...their imagination!

I believe (based off my own experience as a child) that at that age you sort of bounce between the realm of imagination and 'reality' anyway. Unfortunately, for most people that fades as we become adolescents and adults (the film 'Inside Out' is a good example).

For those mentioning the kid in 'Looper' I agree his performance sticks in the memory. I remember looking up his imdb when I saw it a few years back.

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