"Is Supernatural Just Rehashing Its Classic Fifth Season?"

I'd also add that another truly dreadful scenario would be if the BMoL somehow eliminate Lucifer, as in he sacrifices himself for his child, when the sacrifices of Sam and Dean in season 5 were so massive to lock him away.

We definitely see eye to eye on this one.

I also saw a rehash of season 4 when it started to look like Sam was tempted to work with the BMOLs (he ended up joining them but at the time, my exact words were, "This is Ruby all over again"). Only saving grace here is that they didn't put us through more brother angst with lies, back stabbing and resentment. I also think working with the BMOLs is a bad idea but at least the brothers aren't at each other's throats because of it. This season has enough problems as it is lol. This is the last thing it needs.

I also like your theories for the nephilim. When I was reviewing "Family Feud", I had this idea that the nephilim might turn against his father. Lucifer was going on about how he and his kid were going to tear Crowley apart and I was like, maybe not, Papa. Maybe he won't even like you! If the nephilim isn't evil, he might have a hard time warming up to the Prince od Darkness. Having the nephilim not be evil would also be a rehash of season 11 with this supposedly huge threat that ends up not being half as bad as everyone expected.

I completely agree with you with the tantrum throwing Lucifer. I was so annoyed during that episode. It completely destroyed Lucifer and it became hard to take him seriously.

Also agreeing with you when it comes to Michael. I wish he was given more attention because Lucifer has been done to death and it's time to stick a pitchfork in him.

The Lucifer being portrayed as a sympathetic father is really not something I want to see, sigh.

Moving the series to Netflix would be great. I don't know about 4-6 episodes. Maybe 10? At any rate, having something darker, like Jessica Jones or Stranger Things or whatever, that you could binge watch would be amazing. I also wouldn't want Dabb to be at the helm. I think they need to completely get rid of everyone associated with writing the show on CW and get a new bunch of quality writers to watch all the other episodes, so they could get the rules of the Supernatural universe down and go with it.

"I really think that the Nephilim storyline isn't really engaging fans at this point. I would hope it would be wrapped up at seasons end."

That's also my preference. I'm just not sure where the writers stand. I think it would be good to have the nephilim be born in a couple of episode. That allows him some time to grow and use his powers to create new threats (that the brothers will have to clean up next year) before he dies.

I would rather the nephilim die. Bella also mentioned the idea of Mary raising it, which would give her something to do off screen. I honestly would hate that idea. She can't love her sons but she can devote her life to the son of Satan? That would be such a slap in the face of our heroes. I also think there shouldn't be a cure for everything. Vamps are fine but a half archangel? It diminishes their power if any part of such a powerful species can be turned human.

I would be fine with Babifer (love this) growing at Amara's rate. Chuck said himself that archangels are made of a different material. Jesse is only part angel which is a less powerful species.

I also don't see how Lucifer can come back after this season. They do love beating that old horse but come on. I love Mark P. and I don't know how we would go about keeping him around. I really like your thought on Luci 'needing' the nephilim around for power, especially since he has been seriously weakened by Crowley.

I've been trying not to get too excited with this whole Dean picking up the Lance thing because the show's fooled me before, but I want him to use it so bad, at full power, against the nephilim/Luci, whichever. Either of them would be fulfilling the prophecy of Mike slaying the Serpent.

"Maybe that is why Sam is getting all the lesser kills. Dean will get the big kill. Jared is on baby watch right now and they are filming the last 2 episodes so I would assume that means Dean heavy eps for the season ender."

Don't get me all worked up, Cassio!!! I'm so afraid of being disappointed. This would be awesome.

'I don't think that Dabb is too worried about an emotional punch for the season ender. He said as much at SDCC last summer when asked about his disastrous ending of S11. He wasn't concerned about ticking boxes i.e. emotional connections or continuity and this season seems to be a continuation of that mantra."

Ain't that the truth. He's shown us in "Alpha and Omega" that he doesn't give a flying fig about things like that and like you said, he knows people didn't like the S11 finale but he still tried to justify his process.

"However if the ratings continue to decline he is going to have to rethink that plan. If they can't figure out a way to engage the Winchesters (not Mary) in the story fans won't tune in."

I really hope someone is looking at the numbers and calling meetings about what can be done to improve things in season 13. Is it me or has Singer been mostly silent this season? I know he did a producer's promo with Dabb but he was more visible in season 11. There are many things that happened this season that didn't seem in line with Singer's previous statements about the show.

"Jared mentioned at Las Vegas con that he would like to do a Gilmore Girls/Netflix type series where the "season" would consist of 4-6 episodes and be just one storyline that would pretty much revolve around the brothers. I really resisted the idea of a shorter season but at this point I would welcome the remaining years be a series of "mini'movies" instead of the mess we are getting at this point. Having said that it absolutely cannot be Dabb helming that kind of format. All he seems to want to do is rehash and desconstruct characters, seasons and storylines."

Maybe this is something J2 can negotiate with their seasons 14 and 15 contracts because they're already on the hook for 13 and CW always give full 22-23-episode seasons to "The Flash", "Supergirl", "Arrow" and "Supernatural". My problem with a shorter season is that it would become a 100% ensemble show where we would never get Sam and Dean episode anymore. It would be what I call "the bunker as a soup kitchen" with the entire supporting cast and I'm just not jazzed about a version of SPN where every episode has to have regular characters who are only tolerable because they disappear off to parts unknown half the time. If Jared is serious about that story revolving "around the brothers", then they might have to trim the cast down. Either way, if this mini series comes to pass, I also want Dabb far away from it.

Jensen has mentioned a few times that he'd like Kripke to come back and the Js want him ro write the series finale. "Timeless", Kripke's show is in trouble. A lot of buzz but it collapsed in the ratings and scored a 0.6 at the same time that SPN, a 12-year old show on the CW did. The fans are behind the show, let's see if the network chooses to be magnanimous. All this to say Kripke could end up having have some free time soon :)