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Guess the ratings 12.15 Somewhere Between Heaven and Hell - updated


My guess: 1.68


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UPDATE | viewers: 1.58m (finals 1.49 m) / demo: 0.5 - Winner cassiopeia (guess 1.62)
Series low in the demo.
The Flash and Legends of Tomorrow are also down this week.
Let's see if SPN bounces back next week.


Previous ratings.
12.13 | viewers : 1.61m (finals 1.63m) / demo: 0.6 - Winner Bella (guess 1.75)
12.14 | viewers : 1.67m (finals 1.67m) / demo: 0.6 - Winner Bella (guess 1.63)

Source: tvbythenumbers

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1.62

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Ouch! Well that isn't a very good trend is it? .5 with 1.51 viewers. Yikes!

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I called that one. This was the first episode I haven't watched in 12 seasons. Turning Dean into a side character is killing this show. It seems to me like every dean episode the ratings go up the next week and it falls the week after dean lite eps. They really need to fix this.

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I'm personally hoping the Dean-fan outcry from the east coast feed affected viewers on the west coast. That would be just desserts. Whatever happened, this episode deserved to drop.

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Looks like Supernatural was preempted in several large markets. Mabye it will adjust in the finals or at least return to it's regular ratings in 3 weeks. Although an adjustment could mean the first .4 in the show's history. Way to go Dabb!

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I also heard it was preempted but no upward adjustment.

I loved the episode (there are so few brother episodes these days) but this entire season deserves a 0.5 in my opinion so I totally get it.

Started from 0.8 now we're here. This isn't Arrow bad yet but if we stay at 0.5...

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According to SpoilerTv, the final adjusted is 1.49 and 0.5 demo.

For me, the main problem is the neutering of Dean Winchester, but there are a lot of reasons for this *.

- Lack of any real discussion between Dean and Sam about Mary or anything really. Most people need a little more depth than what the show has given us.

- The lack of any real discussion with Mary about anything in the past.

- Writers who don't know how to write for the leads when the leads are there less means that things, like Dean disappearing for the most important parts of the episode only to show up at the end happens, the guests of the week get inflated roles in the story and do more than Sam and Dean, and Mary gets to do more than both Sam and Dean when she's there.

- Lucifer is still there.

- Drudging up things from the past, like the YED, Colt, how Crowley became King of Hell, and hellhounds only to tarnish the way those things were originally presented by doing things like having hellhounds being deterred by axes, guns, and being defeated with the help of a water cooler . . . If only Sam and Dean had known that in Season 3 or Season 5, then maybe Dean wouldn't have gone to Hell and Ellen and Jo wouldn't have died.

Maybe now TPTB will get the hint, but I'm thinking it might be too late. It's really not a good thing to go into a break with such low ratings, and they don't really have any time to do anything about the rest of the episodes. Did they just get done filming episode 20 or something?

*ETA - drop in ratings

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After 12 years it's getting harder for them to find new interesting material to write about, so they have to dig up what's already been written. They need to start a new chapter now with the BMoL's but don't hold much hope for this either. I think it's the wrong move, but that's just me. I was so thrilled when Dean said to Sam the moment there is any whiff of trouble we're pulling out. Hope the writers remember and stick to this and not make the boys look idjuts.

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But it shouldn't be hard to write new material. They had a weak enough set up to the start of the season compared to previous seasons, but there was still something there they could've done to make it interesting, and they haven't followed through.

The lack of originality is mind-boggling to me. There is a lot of lore out there. There are a lot of urban legends out there too, and they keep bringing back vampires and werewolves. The next episode is a werewolf episode, and am I getting it right in saying that Dean said they just came back from using Lucille on a siren? You don't kill sirens that way. It takes a bronze knife dipped in a siren victim's blood. Not only that, but they bring back nephilim, which we were shown aren't evil. Now if they're going to have the baby not be evil, so they can set up a confrontation between the Winchesters and the BMoL 'Let's kill everything that's supernatural,' then I guess that makes sense, but it feels like an overly drawn out C story-line they've had this year to build it up, and in all honesty feels like a rehash of the Darkness.

I also don't have any hope for the BMoL storyline either if this is the way they're going with it. The BMoL are too elitist. People like the blue-collar feel of the show, but bringing in new high tech gadgets to kill monsters and all the rest doesn't fit in with that.

ETA: Like I said, there are a lot of problems, and I agree with your concerns, Bella.

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I thought that too about the high-tech gadgets, I mean I know its the 21st century and all that, but to me, hunters are still old school in their approach and I don't think Hunters would take too kindly to it all when sharp knives and axes do the job just as cleanly. I think that the BMoL are little boys who haven't grown up yet, and want to play with their toys. It's not like me to bemoan this show because I love it so much. But it's those little things that we do tend to notice and I think fans are getting tired of it. I get the feeling some think it's spoiling their viewing time. Because Dabb wants to be uber cool.

I had HIGH hopes for Dabb as he was always one of my favourite writers as Season 4 was the season I joined, so I do have a soft spot for him, but lately particularly after he's let the boys get caught when saving the president was a bit so lame. I get you mean about it feeling like the Darkness again. It's like their treading over old territory I know they can do better, we all know they can with all that Lore out there which has annoyed me for a while. Monster after Monster which hasn't even been given the time of day. There is so much more material at their disposal and think there a bit scared to go there. But that's just me.

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Well if you think about it Gwen took out a Hellhound (albeit temporarily) with an axe and the Green Cooler. Not so high tech. Maybe a lesson for Sam and Dean.

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