I recently started watching the episodes again (after about a year or twos hiatus) and don't really get it anymore. The later seasons seem to be focused on the Barney-Ted-Robin love triangle and it's a bit annoying. Like, how did that Barney/Robin partnership even come to be? Going from Ted to his best friend? Thoughts?
Robin seemed to become a woman with low self esteem and daddy issues.
Makes her a prime candidate for Barney then.
Well they really dragged that filler out then. It got quite annoying seeing Barney doing all those outlandish things for Robin (up to his ridiculous marriage proposal) and Robin responds with "see this is why we can't be together!" and she then proceeds to accept his proposal. And while all of that foolishness is going on, Ted is going nuts for Robin again. It just got frustrating to watch.
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That was my issue; they destroyed Robins character, she just becomes one of Barney dumb sluts that he tricks. At least the ending fixed that.
Well they really dragged that filler out then. It got quite annoying seeing Barney doing all those outlandish things for Robin (up to his ridiculous marriage proposal)
Well they couldn't do anything with Teds storyline, they had to fill up the seasons with something.
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What's the relevancy of Barney being Ted's friend in how compatable Robin and Barney are? To me, it looks like none. I think they were very similar and possibly too similar, but it did make sense that they'd want to get together over and over. I could list reasons why, but since you didn't really bother to put why they didn't make sense, I'm guessing you aren't that interested in a conversation and more just interested in stating what you think.
- Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that I'll be over here looking through your stuff.
Neither of them were relationship type people. It was out of character (and started to get annoying) all the unneccessary hoops Barney was jumping for her.
Most people don't jump around their friend group for sex partners. Thats the relevancy. Its possible to find compatibility with your ex's best friend but its mostly looked down upon to actually hook up with them. Remember Barney feeling guilty for that and getting punched?
Of course they made sense. Way more than Ted/Robin ever made. Robin is a strong,sexy and indipendent woman,why should she stay with a needy whiner like Ted? Instead,Barney is often a jerk but at least he has some personality,and he apprecciates her indipendece,and they have a great sexual chemistry,so they make way more sense than Ted/Robin.
I completely agree. I also liked the character development Barney went through as he fell for Robin. I actually thought they made way more sense as a couple than Robin and Ted. Also, Barney way outclassed Ted in the romantic gestures department…and that was Ted's thing!
Made more sense than Ted and Robin did. Both Barney/Robin and Ted/Robin are extremely flawed couplings, but if I had to bet on one lasting I'd honestly pick Barney and Robin.
I'm in the camp that Barney and Robin were the proper partners for each other. I don't really like shipping in Television shows at all, but I think the seeds for a Robin/Barney pair were laid out in the "Zip, Zip, Zip" episode. I remember watching that episode and thinking to myself the chemistry seemed more natural there than it did with Ted and Robin. And then once Ted met Victoria I pretty much felt the same about that pair.
But, like the show proved the longer things went the more they wrote them apart. I fully feel they brought back Victoria to make her an unlikable partner for Ted. I mean everything about Season 1 Victoria to when she returned was just a total 180.
And once they broke up Robin/Barney during their initial coupling everything after that was just to plant seeds to break them up.
I was never team robin and barney but I never understood how Robin was attracted to Barney. She was always interested in "a mans man". Rough and tough and he doesn't fit the bill
It's a mixed bag. "Zip, Zip, Zip," from season 1 has regularly been used as the measuring standard for the ways in which Barney and Robin complemented each other's personalities more so than Robin and Ted did. However, at least some of that was contradicted by season 9, with Robin's sudden disinterest in laser tag, in a bid to make a joke out of Barney being the only one to enjoy it. The flip side to that was "Natural History." While that showed the worst extremes they brought out in one another, it still demonstrated a fundamental concept that they each operated from a similar mindset.
In terms of watching the show over again, and feeling there's a disconnect between the early seasons and where it leads; it's important to remember that there was a lot of story that came on gradually, and very little of it happened over night. Season 3 was particularly key to this, as there was a fair amount of change in character dynamics. Robin and Ted had to rediscover what it meant for them to just be friends, Barney experienced the "yips," and had a stalker. There are aspects of Barney's story in season 3, which leads to a very pivotal moment; Robin and Barney watching the "Sand Castles in the Sand" video, before ultimately having sex. The circumstances of not only the lead in to have sex, but whom he had sex with, are important conditions that change Barney's life in a very important way. This isn't someone with whom he used cheap ploys to get into bed, they shared a fairly close, personal moment with each other; and the woman in question was not only someone important to his best friend, but someone within whom he had developed a personal rapport with as well. He might not have been entirely willing to admit it at the time, but he actually respected Robin; and that may have been the first time he slept with someone that actually had any respect for, as sad as that might be to say. And so he develops deeper feelings for her, which progress throughout season 4.
Where the show dropped the ball, I think, was how one sided it was developed; as they never properly explored Robin's feelings, for Barney or Ted, really, but least of all Barney. Robin learns of Barney's feelings, they have a ridiculously cheesy exchange, and suddenly they're making out and giving it a try. Then there's season 5... which was season 5, and generally doesn't need much more said about it than that, but I'm going to delve into it anyway. The major mistake the show made with Barney and Robin overall, which definitely started in season 5, was trying to shoehorn them into the Marshall and Lily mold of a relatively well adjusted, loving, interdependent couple. There was no reason to try and do that with Robin and Barney; there's more than one acceptable couple dynamic, and the route they chose was distinctly not who either of them were as individuals, much less how they should have been as a couple. The only thing worse than the way their relationship was handled, was the break-up; many of the supportive reasons for said break-up materializing out of thin air in the episode itself, and then never addressed again when they got back together.
Now, with all that said so far, this wasn't strictly a bad thing for Barney. In spite of NPH said at some point early in the shows run, with some rather humorous, but unintentional foresight, where he joked that Barney should never change and that he would only get married "in season nine. Season jump the shark." - it actually was, in principal, a good thing to take his character out of his comfort zone and try and make him grow beyond the shtick; which had arguably turned him into more of a caricature than anything else. I believe NPH even had a change of heart about this, as the changes were put in the works; or at least publically he said he thought this was good. I think somewhere along the way, someone made the comparison to Fonzie, and how it got weird seeing this aging man try to remain static in the same leather jacket and penchant for chase women who were increasingly younger than him. Barney had to change to some degree, but the way the show handled it was again heavy handed, and rather poorly executed. Instead of pairing him with characters that complimented his inherent personality, they put him with people who were meant to change him into someone more like Ted; because that again was somehow the model of normalcy. And I suppose it makes sense to a point, when you consider that Marshal and Lily were based on Craig Thomas and his wife, and Ted was based to some degree on Carter Bays; and as the brain trusts of the show, their sense of normal was rooted at the core of the series - but they took for granted that Barney wasn't meant to be either one of them; and trying to remake him in either of their image in order to make him, I don't know, more sympathetic or easier to put into a relationship, was simply a mistake. And even with good advances in his character arc, like discovering who his father was, you still have them taking absurd steps back, where they make him almost child like - like when his brother met his father, and the way Barney handled that; or in season 9, with him trying to get his parents back together.
Then there's Robin and Barney's reunion, which came far too late in the show's run, and left no time for them to make up in developing the character dynamic between them, which they had neglected to do the last time they were together, or pretty much the rest of the time in between. There's at least one nice touch, where we had Robin freaking out about Ted saying she was too independent, and Barney's response was that, that made him like her even more. We also get a retcon of Barney finding out that Robin can't have kids, and he's sympathetic, and that's fine, but that interaction between Robin and Barney and how neither are meant to be in a codependent relationship pretty much says it all about what their relationship should have been, yet never was. Even their reason for divorce was antithetical to the one critical thing they were established as having going for them. By all rights, they could have each had their respective careers - Barney keeping his job at GNB, instead of having him ditch it - and while Robin trots around the globe as an intrepid reporter, Barney's naturally a jet setting international businessman for GNB/Altrucel. They might have spent at least as much time apart as they would together, but if anyone could have made that work, it should have been Barney and Robin. And I think they may have still ended up divorced anyway, but then gotten back together and remarried, and repeated that cycle a couple of times; because I think that's totally something people like Barney and Robin would do. They don't have long term enough attention spans to stay married indefinitely (or stay in one place for too long, especially in the case of Robin), but likewise they also don't hold grudges, and whatever might spark their separation would have been forgotten about the next time they crossed paths and the old sparks would fly again. That's also one of the many reasons I'm dissatisfied with the ending as it was, because I don't think Robin will ever be one to commit to Ted long term. She either gets bored or one of them will ultimately sabotages it; and they maybe end up back to being just friends, or go their separate ways for good.
"I'm in it for the power and the free robes." - Harry Stone
Did they ever make sense? No, not ever. Robin sleeping with Barney, her long time friend and a close friend of her ex was a new low for her. Especially since she was well aware of his treatment of women. Dating two guys in a tight group of 5 friends and no-one thinking too much about it was a source for laughs and drama but believable? Nope. Two men pining over one regular woman like that is weird in any setting.
I never felt Robin was that scared of commitment. She was just mostly with the wrong guys: wanted kids, different interests, different personalities, chose job over her, Barney (wrong guy for any woman)... And her lingering feelings for Ted also distracted her almost as much as they distracted Ted throughout the series. Even on her wedding day. While Barney did grow up during the course of the series, the results never seemed believable or permanent to me. Their divorce made most sense to me even though it revolved around her job instead of him behaving like an ass.