i really enjoyed it but didnt understand certain aspects of it? could anyone help me out? i just had 2 questions if anyone had any opinions?
1. who was the guy who shot him in the head, @ the end? and why did he kill the other men too? he was a hitman working for his old boss?
2.what did the scene when the credits going down symbolise? when he was shadow boxing?
whoops found the answers on wikipedia.. ahh good ole wikipedia. sorry guys.
share1. I didn't get that, actually. Possibly, I think, he was one of Braek's guys; or, quite possibly, he worked for Kang, or Hang-Sang Shki (if I remember the name correctly). Or, he just got there to see what was going on, and seeing how there was a shootout, just jumped right in to kill whomever he could.:)
2. Well, I took it as an indication of WHAT the movie was actually about. It's about Sunwoo fighting with himself, rather than anyone else - notice that the shadow boxer in the window slowly fades out as the credits roll by, but the screen remains. In my view, it is meant to demonstrate how, his entire life, Sunwoo had been shadow-boxing against his reflection, with no other enemy than what he has made of himself, what he sees in the mirror. The fade-out of the reflection is there to remind us that, with no enemy left to fight, Sunwoo has resolved his struggle with himself within himself in the end.
kountxero - " I didn't get that, actually. Possibly, I think, he was one of Braek's guys; or, quite possibly, he worked for Kang, or Hang-Sang Shki (if I remember the name correctly). Or, he just got there to see what was going on, and seeing how there was a shootout, just jumped right in to kill whomever he could.:)"
Wtf are you talkin bout? how do you not get that, its simple logic. If he was one of braeks guys why would he kill other braek henchmen.... and he didnt work for kang either because braek and kang were allied to kill the main character.
The guy was the arms dealers brother, remember that scene where the dealers brother called and said he'd be there then found them dead. Then he found the card of the hotel, he obivously saught vegence..easy to figure out.
kountxero- "Well, I took it as an indication of WHAT the movie was actually about. It's about Sunwoo fighting with himself, rather than anyone else - notice that the shadow boxer in the window slowly fades out as the credits roll by, but the screen remains. In my view, it is meant to demonstrate how, his entire life, Sunwoo had been shadow-boxing against his reflection, with no other enemy than what he has made of himself, what he sees in the mirror. The fade-out of the reflection is there to remind us that, with no enemy left to fight, Sunwoo has resolved his struggle with himself within himself in the end. "
nice load of philosophy confuscious but in that scene he was obviously enjoying, the few times he actually smiled not battling his innerself blah blah.
okay, first of all sun woo is not fighting his shadow in the window. second that guy who shoots him in the head is the brothers of the arms dealer which he kills with the Russian guy.
If you notice there is a crucial moment when Sun Woo smiles once the entire movie, this is critical its his one true moment of happiness. You see he has devoted his life to that mobster that he considers a lot like a father, hes devoted everything he has for that man voiding the pleasures of having a girlfriend or a life for that matter.
When he sees her playing he feels something for her it's not love, its admiration becuase when she played music it was the only time he was ever able to let go and have this one moment in his life where he could be happy. When the mob boss asks him to kill her hes faced with a huge problem either he does as hes always doing taking away his own happiness and kills her or her keeps her alive keeping the one thing that gave him enjoyment and peace if even for a moment. The fight in the mirror is not himself but fighting the air. The whole movie he knows he's not going to win or survive but that's not the point. Its as the quote says the disciple cries because hes dream will never come true. Sun woo is not fighting for revenge or to win hes fighting becuase he has the right to keep this one moment of happiness hes felt. hes fight in the mirror is just that he fights the air knowing he wont win but does he not have a right to be happy? why not fight to keep the one memory of happiness you have alive. If she dies its as if it never happened and that's why he fights.
There's a thesaurus in the library. Yeah is under "Y". Go ahead, I'll wait.
To put it simple, what Sun Woo liked is that the girl actually enjoys life, something that he can't enjoy anymore. When he watched her play music he had a brief moment of joy, and in the end, that's exactly what is he remembering. The final scene with him shadow boxing is to put some contrast to what we saw through the entire film. And i think it was a great touch from the director.
''Never trouble trouble till trouble troubles you."
Very nice description of what he felt. It fits my feelings about the story exactly.
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"In my view, it is meant to demonstrate how, his entire life, Sunwoo had been shadow-boxing against his reflection, with no other enemy than what he has made of himself, what he sees in the mirror. The fade-out of the reflection is there to remind us that, with no enemy left to fight, Sunwoo has resolved his struggle with himself within himself in the end."
I like that take on it.
No, no. Psychopaths kill for no reason. I kill for money. It's a job. That didn't come out right.
1. It was definitely the brother of the arms dealer. He found the card on his brother's desk, went to the club, and shot everyone alive.
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"The film is clearly rubbish, apart from the cannibalism."
Good thing he didn't find a Mcdonalds food restaurant Card
shareI would consider that a good thing if he did find it lol.
shareI saw the ending a different way. I figured that Sunwoo was just some guy working in a hotel having a grand delusion and fantasy.
Hence the story of the monk and the disciple, with the disciple sad because his dream can never come true.
Notice that Sunwoo is wearing a tie when shadowboxing, he never wears a tie anywhere else. Also the moments of extreme seem to go all the over the place, such as:
1. Why didn't the boss kill his cheating girlfriend?
2. The stabbing should have left him dead
3. The last stand like shooting seems kind of extreme
It's interesting the different ways you can interpret the ending.
He has a tie on at the beginning of the film when he is eating his bittersweet chocolate dessert and drinking his bittersweet coffee right before he takes the long walk down.
I just went back and checked.
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