Now it is official - The X Files is back!
http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/the-x-files-revival-fox-david-duchovny -gillian-anderson-1201459006
Great news!!!
I think one more movie would've been enough, but a limited series could be nice. I hope Robert Patrick is able to return in at least one episode.
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My current bet is Fox want to see if this show creates enough new buzz for at least 1 more XF movie. This is a pretty cheap way to do it compared to paying for a movie that may not perform without some kind of pre-existing general interest.
shareMy current bet is Fox want to see if this show creates enough new buzz for at least 1 more XF movie.
That could be interesting.
This is a pretty cheap way to do it compared to paying for a movie that may not perform without some kind of pre-existing general interest.
Probably explains the lack of buzz when I WANT TO BELIEVE came out.
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Yeah the 2nd movie had not much promo and it was a long time since the show ended. Original viewers went 'that old show?' and kids said 'what's an X Files?'
If this revival does O.K. maybe Fox will be willing to take the plunge on another movie - it'll be a much easier sell that way and if they can keep the cost as low as IWtB it may make some money.
Why would they do another movie ? Even the first one had a disappointing box office, and the show was at its peak.
BATMAN 66 was released when the show was a phenomenon, and it bombed.
It's really a miracle that a second XF movie was ordered, and it's only because of the writer's strike.
And why would they do another movie if the mini-series is a conclusion ? Don't get me wrong, it would be great, but you should be all more realistic.
Even the 24 movie was scrapped because they didn't want to invest more than 30 millions in a movie from a tv show, because of the flop of XF2.
Fox agreed to give Carter a closure on X FILES on tv, only to reboot it later. Take a bet on this. CC wanted a movie but it would have been too expensive. You don't invest money on a movie to make loss like with IWTB, or to make 0 profit like with FTF. You make a movie to make a lot of profit.
The lack of promotion of IWTB (that is to say 6 millions $)is not the only problem of the BO failure. They could have invest 20 millions more, it wouldn't have been a huge success.
BIRDMAN has a similar box office abroad the USA than XF2 (with inflation)but it costs only 18 millions in production, against the 29 millions of IWTB (inflation added 31.6 M $).
The problem of XF2 is not the DarkKNight, not the lack of promotion, but its production budget. With a budget of 18 millions, it would have been called a success.
I still don't know where they spent the 29 millions in IWTB. I thought first DD and GA each took 10 millions of it, but they took only 250.000 $. And remember they shot that in Vancouver ! The movie would have cost 45 millions if it was shot in the USA.
Coz movies make money. Or do you really believe their execs and accountants when they tell you every movie makes a loss? You prolly believe them when they say they spent '$300 million on advertising and promotion' - nah that's not some tax dodge at all.
Lots of XF fans want more movies so there is some demand even right now - if the revival is a success there could be way more interest in a new movie so Fox is not gonna shut that door.
Videogames make money too, RESIST OR SERVE was a huge flop, and it buried the franchise until the writer'sstrike of 2007.
There are many shows nowadays that are phenomenon, such as X FILES was at its time. We could talk about BREAKING BAD, SOPRANO or GAME OF THRONE.
Did you know the option of turning this shows on movies were ultimately scrapped after being discussed for years ?
It's a cultural thing, tv execs think people would feel betrayed to see a continuation of their show on theaters, and movie execs despises tv show.
And yes, 90 % of movies make loss on theaters. If the X F movies made money on theaters, you would have seen others. A studio never spent 300 millions on a promotion of a movie. What is it supposed to do ? A joke ?
Adapting a successfull tv show on air on theaters is too much risky, then adapting an "old" show with actors in their late fifties...You know it can't be.
Even if X FILES revival is a huge success (and I highly doubt it), there won't be anymore talk about a movie. Too expensive, too risky, etc.
But I'd really love to, of course.
They are doing this because they don't want to do a third movie, I don't know why others can't see that. If Fox had complete confidence in this they would want to do more than 6 episodes like they did with 24, which also only happened because the plans for their own movie fell through.
shareYes yes we know you hate Chris Carter coz you think it will make DD love you ('DD sued Fox and he said bad things about CC so if I say bad things about Chris Carter DD will love me 4eva!!!!') - it is so funny to watch people like you try to make everybody think the X Files is a failure just coz you want it to be!
If the new show does well there is no way Fox won't think about making more movies. That's just the business - it doesn't matter how much you want DD to love you.
Oh and I forgot the Morgan & Wong groupies who hate CC on behalf of M&W coz those guys will love their groupies for that! And also let's not forget the 2 guys who wrote the original Harsh Realm comic book who post under 50 different sock accounts to attack CC and everyone who ever worked on the X Files!
X -Files 3 still coming soon though right?.
Ooh too soon?
Has nothing to do with loving or hating anyone or anything. Just poking holes in the theories of people who think that the X-Files has any theatrical juice left. That sill makes me a cylons sock puppet to people like you though?
If the new mini is a success there will prolly be at least 1 more XF movie - Fox are in the money making business so if they think there is a lot of interest in an inexpensive movie they will make it. If the show doesn't perform they prolly won't make it. This is business. What it is not is personal - like how you want everything to fail all coz of some f'd up idea you have that it's all about you and CC has somehow offended you personally.
Maybe there will be an X Files 3 (I hope so coz I'm an X Files fan) and maybe there won't be 1. You hope there won't be another movie all coz you think it will somehow punish CC for whatever it is you like to think he did to you. He doesn't even know you exist and I bet he wouldn't give a sh!t even if he did know so stop telling yourself you are scoring victories over CC and making him cry coz it just makes you look retarded!
But like I said below there is tons of series that are huge successes and phenomenon and there is no movies. How can you cope with that ?
We all hope there would be a third movie, but seriously, get back on the real world.
The difference is this show has CC and DD and GA who all want to make more XF movies and Fox have made 2 already. Both those earned more than they cost even when the 2nd was made after the show had been off air for years. If the new series performs there is a good chance of more movies.
You don't like that idea coz you are angry at someone on behalf of someone else? Tough s***!
So, first you're gonna answer me : Who is the person I'm angry with ?! I don't understand a *beep* from what you say, like you were knowing me or something. I logged in maybe ten days ago. If you don't want to answer me, please, stop your personnal attacks, or I would call a moderator. I have other things to do.
Secondly, I would love, like I said many times, to see new movies of X FILES (with the original cast). I will go see them 5 times, like I did with IWTB.
They did the first movie because the show was a phenomenon, and they took the chance, and that didn't live up to the expectations. Moreover, The sixth season showed a decline in the ratings, completely the opposite of what they wanted.
They did the second movie because of the writer's strike of 2007.
I already told why there can't be a third movie.
The cast want to do other movies, but that's irrelevant because the cast of GAME OF THONES, SOPRANO, THE WIRE, etc wanted it too.
The first XF barely made money on theaters, the second was not profitable at all (cf DD and GA's contracts). And again, in the real world, you make movies to make lots of money, not to refund your initial investment. This is not at a personnal attack like said "WHOTOTRUST", just the reality.
by hornytoad-2 » ...This is not at a personnal attack like said "WHOTOTRUST", just the reality.
Sorry I didn't catch this comment sooner, but I'm now positive that you and xvade misunderstood me completely...or more likely...just chose to take my comment about the negativity in your posts out of context to suit your own purposes. share
If the new show does well there is no way Fox won't think about making more movies. That's just the business - it doesn't matter how much you want DD to love you.
You post only to make personnal attacks ? What is wrong with your mind ?
I don't know in what world you live on, but in the real world, even when a show is a phenomenon, it's not adapted on movies.
There are a few exceptions of course( X FILES, STAR TREK, BATMAN...SEX AND THE CITY) but even when a movie works (SIMPSONS, SOUTH PARK), it's no guarantee of a sequel at all.
So I can't see why, with only 6 episodes X FILES could be a huge phenomenon again. If that's the case (and it's highly unlikely), they will do more seasons - and that's all.
by hornytoad-2 » You post only to make personnal attacks ? What is wrong with your mind ?
You do realize how hypocritical (and unmindful) you're making yourself look by saying that considering all of the personally-based comments you've made in this thread about others "not being realistic", "needing to get back to reality", etc just because you don't share their opinion though, don't you? share
I said of "SPLOITER" after his personnal attacks against me he was "not realistic" which is true considering he still thinks about a 3rd movie, and it's a great euphemism. It was way more polite that what he said to me.
I don't want to enter in your war against Clyons, from which i don't share his apparent hate on X FILES, but most of its comments are relevant, interresting and realistic.
What is not relevant, is to make personnal attacks against other posters. i saw a million times here attacks a bout a so-called fanfic, and nobody cares except maybe you and Sploiter. And like it was wrong to write fanfics...
by hornytoad-2 » I said of "SPLOITER" after his personnal attacks against me he was "not realistic" which is true considering he still thinks about a 3rd movie, and it's a great euphemism. It was way more polite that what he said to me.
I don't want to enter in your war against Clyons, from which i don't share his apparent hate on X FILES, but most of its comments are relevant, interresting and realistic.
What is not relevant, is to make personnal attacks against other posters. i saw a million times here attacks a bout a so-called fanfic, and nobody cares except maybe you and Sploiter. And like it was wrong to write fanfics...
What difference does it make who or how many people you're doing it to. Whether it's one or many, it still means you're doing what you're trying to call out "sploiter" for.
And whether your opinion is as realistic as you want it to be remains to be seen, so it's a moot point at the moment anyway. share
I don't want to enter in your war against Clyons, from which i don't share his apparent hate on X FILES, but most of its comments are relevant, interresting and realistic.
HAHAHAHAHA!! You never could resist praising yourself with your own sock accounts could you clyons??
clyons writes - "CHRIS CARTER IS TEH HACK AND A PLAGIARIST AND EVERYONE HATES HIM IN HOLLYWOOD AND HE WILL NEVER WORK AGAIN AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE IS A MORON FANTARD AND I CAN WRITE WAY BETTER X FILES THAN CHRIS CARTER THE HACK EVER COULD EVER EVER EVER!!!!!!!!11"
clyons sock no. 345,232,984,002 writes - "clyons comments are relevant, interresting and realistic and I am not one of his sock puppet accounts registered just to trash talk Chris Carter and the X Files and anyone who ever worked on the X Files and anyone who doesn't hate Chris Carter like I do all coz he never saw the X Files fanfic I sent him in 1995".
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Thank you Xvade, I saw many things on forums, but I rarely saw such a bad faith. Kind of remind me the fans in KING OF COMEDY. Impossible to discuss with this kind of people.
shareby hornytoad-2 » Thank you Xvade, I saw many things on forums, but I rarely saw such a bad faith. Kind of remind me the fans in KING OF COMEDY. Impossible to discuss with this kind of people.
Are you two finished with your mutual suck-up-fest? I only ask because hornytoad has since gone on to prove to be the exact opposite of a well-meaning XF fan by second-guessing just about everything he/she has heard may or may not be happening in the upcoming mini-series...not that he/she was doing much different BEFORE these recent posts. share
What do you want from me exactly ?
Why am I not a well-meaning fan ?! according to you ?
You think I want to colonize the planet or something?
by hornytoad-2 » What do you want from me exactly ?
Why am I not a well-meaning fan ?! according to you ?
You think I want to colonize the planet or something?
Playing innocent. What a surprise.
Not my responsibility to explain these things to you.
And besides, your own comments answer your questions, so... share
Playing innocent about what, for god's sake ?
Why so mysterious ?
So, please, if you are not able to explain yourself, just ignore me. No insults, no ridiculous speculations about...hum, in fact I really don't understand what you and SPLOITER have in mind?! And I frankly don't care. I just want to get out of your foolishness, you both. Keep trolling other posters, and leave me alone.
Can't help but laugh at the irony of you now accusing me of ridiculous speculation and trolling considering the comments you've been making on XF message boards lately.
And if you're actually serious with your request wanting/needing that explained to you, you obviously don't know as much about TXF as you're claiming, placing you're comments much more in troll territory than mine will ever be.
I'm pretty sure you misunderstood me completely...
Could you tell me, once and for all, what I've posted that is disturbing you so much? I already asked you that many times. I swear I really don't know what you are talking about, but of course I assume responsability for everything I write.
I'm really open to discussion, as long as I'm not insulted.
I know about, and love X FILES and other CC show surely as much as you, and many others here. This is not a competition... And I have nothing to prove to you, and you dont have to prove me something neither.
Wow!
You say Fox won't look at making more X Files movies if the revival show is a success and I say you are wrong about that.
Now it is time to watch and see what happens. Maybe this new show will bomb like crazy and there is no point arguing about more movies. Maybe it will do great and earn a ton of money and create lots more fans of the show.
Wait and see what happens!
by hornytoad-2 » I'm pretty sure you misunderstood me completely...
Could you tell me, once and for all, what I've posted that is disturbing you so much? I already asked you that many times. I swear I really don't know what you are talking about, but of course I assume responsability for everything I write.
I'm really open to discussion, as long as I'm not insulted.
I know about, and love X FILES and other CC show surely as much as you, and many others here. This is not a competition... And I have nothing to prove to you, and you dont have to prove me something neither.
Wow!
So basically, you can insult me, but you won't be insulted.
Got it.
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I'm pretty sure you misunderstood me completely...
He does that to people frequently, and of course he did it again just below in saying "you misunderstood me" is a personal attack. It's good that you've made sincere efforts to reach a mutual understanding, but based on his posting history, his terrible reading comprehension and eagerness to play the victim makes it virtually impossible. share
Because I said it was impossible that Fox create a new franchise movie with DD and GA, you are both crazy about it?!
Hell, it could be a huge success a la WALKING DEAD, BREAKING BAD, SOPRANO, CSI, GAME OF THRONE, etc. There won't be other movies.
It doesn't work like that, and you know it. Or else, you would have seen movies of the show quoted above, and many, many others.
It's not insulting you to say that, neither CC, nor anyone...it's just the plain truth. Major studios would 100 times rather produce a GAME OF THRONE or WALKING DEAD movie than X F movie.
I never insulted you, and you know it. I give up in front of such a bad faith ! I've got other things to do
shareby xvade » He does that to people frequently, and of course he did it again just below in saying "you misunderstood me" is a personal attack. It's good that you've made sincere efforts to reach a mutual understanding, but based on his posting history, his terrible reading comprehension and eagerness to play the victim makes it virtually impossible.
On the other hand, your eagerness to agree with anyone when it will aid in your attempts to create negative perceptions about me seem to know no bounds.
I WOULD call your reading comprehension terrible, but you actually have to read the posts that might prove your opinions incorrect before your comprehension of those posts can be evaluated, and it's obvious you've not been reading the majority of the posts you're currently defending at all.
Sincere efforts indeed.
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It's comical how in your own mind you've created this villain on a mission to destroy your reputation. Aside from that one thread where you were defending the sexist cop from 2Shy and downplaying the problem of misogyny in law enforcement, I've hardly ever posted to you or about you in your entire 8+ years here. 99% of the stuff you've posted that I disagree with, I haven't even cared enough to respond. I have no personal animosity toward you, but hold onto your villain if you like.
shareby xvade » It's comical how in your own mind you've created this villain on a mission to destroy your reputation. Aside from that one thread where you were defending the sexist cop from 2Shy and downplaying the problem of misogyny in law enforcement, I've hardly ever posted to you or about you in your entire 8+ years here. 99% of the stuff you've posted that I disagree with, I haven't even cared enough to respond. I have no personal animosity toward you, but hold onto your villain if you like.
Funny, because I could say the same thing about you considering the majority of the posts you HAVE made concerning me.
And thank you for providing yet another example of you trying to create a negative impression of me by voicing your convenient apparent memory of me "defending the sexist cop from 2Shy and downplaying the problem of misogyny in law enforcement". It's comical how in your own mind you've created that kind of image of me...for who knows WHAT reason (although it's starting to become apparent), because what I was addressing in that thread was the seemingly militant viewpoint of some of the posters who had projected their own apparent opinions onto that characters actions in an obvious attempt to promote their own personal agendas. Interesting that YOU took my comments so personally that you're STILL referring to that thread.
It hasn't so much been the quantity with you as it's been the quality...or lack there of in your case.
Edited to add (in an attempt to head off a rehashing of your misperceptions of the 2Shy thread LAST time around) -share
I'm curious, did you ever accuse Mulder in any X-Files message board threads of the same type of sexism/mysogyny in the episode Irresistable (where he tried to spare Scully of some of the horrors associated with cases such as that) that you've been indirectly accusing me of?
I ask, because in the thread you're referring to, it was along those lines my comments about the detective in 2Shy were based on, as opposed to you simply wanting it to be accepted that he was being sexist and mysogynistic and that that's what I was "defending". In another words, a difference of our overall experience and perspectives when viewing that episode.
But should you continue to insist on ascribing that attitude to me and trying to cast doubt on my perspective and objectivity, if I were asked to come up with a clear-cut example of the type of sexism/mysogyny YOU are describing that Scully faced during her stint on The X-Files, I would personally point to the encounter she had with the Sheriff and his posse in the episode Patience.
Something of a difference between the two encounters...wouldn't you say.
If the revival is a success you can bet there will be at least 1 more XF movie with DD and GA.
shareNot in this world, sadly.
If Hollywood producers wantED to make a movie from a tv show, it would have been BREAKING BAD, GOT, WALKING DEAD...or 24.
Interestingly, 24 the movie was't made because Fox didn't want to give more money than exactly what XF2 cost (30 millions) while Sutherland wanted 45 millions (including 5 millions for himsel, while DD and GA were paid 0.25 millions each ).
If XF revival is a true success (that is to say in the top #30 of the 2015/2016 SEASON) FOX won't produce a blockbuster movie with a 60 years old guy as the lead actor. It doesn't work like that.
eVEN if DD was in his forties, they would have never produced a movie.
Proof ?
BREAKING BAD
WALKING DEAD
SOPRANO
24
QUANTUM LEAP
DEXTER
etc.
Anyway, revivals never worked.
by hornytoad-2 » Not in this world, sadly....
You do realize that simply saying something over and over and over again isn't a guarantee that what you're saying will actually happen though, right?...no matter how much you apparently need your prediction to be correct....for whatever reason THAT may be.
As sploiter said, only time will tell. Not all revivals are created or viewed equally.
The X-Files was a WORLDWIDE phenomenon at one point. The other examples you've mentioned...not necessarily. share
You do realize that I only answered a question ?
You do realize that SPLOITER is also saying something over and over ? Don't be dishonnest
The other examples I mentionned ARE a worldwide phenomenon. They could make a successfull serie of movies out of WALKING DEAD, just for instance.
I have no reason to hope that X FILES won't make another movie. Like I said, "sadly it won't happen". It's just a realistic point of view, not a sarcastic one.
I bought 5 tickets for XF2, so if there is someone disappointed in the box office failure of the last movie, it's me.
The revival could make 30 millions in average ratings, there won't be another movie. They would only be convinced to make another season because the first was successfull. They won't take anymore risks.
by hornytoad-2 » You do realize that I only answered a question?
Since the question does not and can not have an answer yet...no...you didn't. share
Sorry, I thought I replied to a post of a guy named Sploiter, who just quoted me.
by hornytoad-2 » Sorry, I thought I replied to a post of a guy named Sploiter, who just quoted me.
Sorry, not buying it.
by hornytoad-2 » You do realize that I only answered a question? You do realize that SPLOITER is also saying something over and over ? Don't be dishonnest.
Don't be dishonest indeed. share
So, ok you're a troll.
Read above, Sploiter quoted me "saying the same thing over and over" five months ago lol (there can't be a new movie with DD) and I quoted him back when he said the "same thing over and over" (there can be a new movie).
So buy it or not, Sploiter and me are both repeating the same sheet over and over. It seems though, you prefer to agree with Sploiter, because it fits you better ; despite all the obvious arguments tending to say there won't be a new movie.
You want to depesrately believe, so believe, but please, don't insult the truth.
by hornytoad-2 » So, ok you're a troll.
So, ok you're a troll.
Read above, Sploiter quoted me "saying the same thing over and over" five months ago...
So you've been saying the same thing here for five months.
When you've been posting here as long as I have though...THEN you can come back and call me the troll.
by hornytoad-2 »So buy it or not, Sploiter and me are both repeating the same sheet over and over. It seems though, you prefer to agree with Sploiter, because it fits you better ; despite all the obvious arguments tending to say there won't be a new movie.
You want to depesrately believe, so believe, but please, don't insult the truth.
The "truth" that YOU so desperately want to believe wherever you can find it repeated you mean...
Pot, meet kettle. share
Like I said, and it's really easy to understand, is that you are pissing me off because I'm saying the same thing over and over, though :
- I was only answering to a sploiter post
- It doesn't seem to bother you that Sploiter is telling the same thing over and over for months, or I should say, for years, without NO arguments at all.
by hornytoad-2 » Like I said, and it's really easy to understand, is that you are pissing me off because I'm saying the same thing over and over,
Speaking of pissing people off, you making comments like this about me would really piss me off if I cared enough about your opinion at this point.
Why I haven't said anything to sploiter is based entirely on the overall difference in context between yours and sploiters posts for as long as you both have been posting here.
I'm sorry if that's NOT easy for you to understand.
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Get a life, you are the one insulting. People like you that have no arguments in what they are saying are pure trolls.
shareby hornytoad-2 » People like you that have no arguments in what they are saying are pure trolls.
Well, obviously nothing that you understand anyway. share
No, you are not able to give one realistic argument about it. And you still can't lol
shareby hornytoad-2 » No, you are not able to give one realistic argument about it. And you still can't lol
You see, you're still "arguing". share
by xvade » You and WhoToTrust are a gift to the other side, like living straw persons making a mockery of CC/XF fans. I'd never want either of you representing anything I support in any debate.
You're of course assuming we would.
It's always funny when you accuse me of presenting myself as the arbiter of all things X-Files then turn around and behave in that very manner yourself.
After all, you yourself just posted representing CC/XF fans. share