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Have had they sex in the house for 6 years?


They have been living together for 6 years. Had they definitely sex on the bed off-screen? I think they might have slept together.

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It's a distinct possibility.

And that's all the people rooting for this to happen since 1993 have got, after 202 episodes, and 2 movies.

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Yeah, that's the implication. The scene they showed was of a couple who were together--in bed--clearly comfortable with each other, which implies that they have been there before having sex on a regular basis.

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The implication for me was that they've had sex, and it wasn't nearly as exciting as they and certain other people had imagined for nine years or so, so now they mainly read and go to sleep.

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The implication for me was that they've had sex, and it wasn't nearly as exciting as they and certain other people had imagined for nine years or so, so now they mainly read and go to sleep


You forgot the part where Mulder wants to have sex with Scully. Remember? He wants to bang her to sleep? Also, it's cosmically impossible for sex between M&S to not be exciting, especially if just the mere thought of it brings 100's of 1000's of people to oh!gasm. So stop it. Of all the things you've said over the years, this has got to be one of your weakest arguments, yet. I don't care if they did it with the lights off, missionary position, clothes on, with Father McCue standing right outside the door. HOT! And I'm not some repressed, middle aged okie from the sticks. You're just extremely jaded.

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No, that was the part I remembered--I've seen hotter bedroom scenes on "Everybody Loves Raymond." Mulder didn't even look like he EXPECTED there to be actual sex.

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That was Mulder's "expectant sex face." C'mon. Plus this is TXF, we were lucky they were even in the same bed. CC is the one that's not hot, not M&S.

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'Expectant sex face'? Mulder was pregnant? Is Scully the father?

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Clyons, you really don't get enough, do you?

Please don't show me YOUR expectant face.

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I get it.



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I think M & S used to have sex many times but they felt bored. They need to move on and find their son William, and then they'll be happy to have sex again and again.

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Told you he wanted graphic porn.


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I'm suspecting that they resumed their sexual relationship after the last episode. And that they had been having sex ever since.

Let's consider the facts here...

We see M&S 6 years after they have been continuously together (I assume). Just like in a marriage, things calm down. It's not "bad" or "disappointing", it's just the way it is. We're not seeing their first sexcipade after Truth, or the first time it happened, we're seeing SIX YEARS of sex 4-5 times a week. And Scully was mentally exhausted. I think Mulder was making a joke - hoping to make her smile or laugh. Not really expecting to get some.

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Let's consider the KNOWN facts.

We have never EVER seen them engaged in sexual activity, or talking about having had sexual activity, or even in bed together after sexual activity. They've kissed a handful of times, never with any credible passion.

Obviously it's been IMPLIED they've had sex, but in this day and age, how weird is it that there's still actual doubt.

Carter still refuses to say in interviews whether they've had sex or not. He seems to think this is subtle of him.

This is not supposed to be the kind of unexplained phenomena the show was about.

If you want to see them as a couple, this is lame. If you don't want to see them as a couple, it's also lame. Therefore, it doesn't matter what the 'truth' is. What matters is that this is bad storytelling, and pretty much worthless as entertainment.

Why bother to have them in bed at all, since they're not discussing anything remotely relevant to the plot, and it tells us nothing except that they've 'calmed down', as you say? How does it further the story? The only point would be to satisfy the prurient interests of a section of the fanbase, which remain unsatisfied to this very day, except in fanfiction.

From the perspective of those who wanted them to remain platonic work partners, this movie was the last nail in the coffin. But those who kept rooting for them to be a couple can hardly be very happy either, because Carter essentially skipped over the honeymoon straight to the "Married With Children" segment of the relationship, only without the children.

I'm not interested in how you justify this tripe. I'm interested in why you bother. It's a bad movie. Deal with that.

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by clyons - ...I'm not interested in how you justify this tripe. I'm interested in why you bother.

Why do you bother (so much) trying to justify yours?

You seem to be taking the "only seeing is believing" concept to ridiculous lengths regarding Mulder and Scully's intimate relationship status. Why is that? It's obvious from your previous post that you either didn't understand the exchange between Mulder and Scully when they were in bed, or you're deliberately trying to distort what was happening in an attempt to prove your overall Chris Carter theory.

You seem to forget though...we saw the scene too.

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Why bother to have them in bed at all, since they're not discussing anything remotely relevant to the plot, and it tells us nothing except that they've 'calmed down', as you say?


I know I'm a bit late for this, but.......

How can you say they weren't discussing anything important? Scully showed us just how deep her sadness got about the boy, then remembering the severed arm had animal drugs in it, as she mentioned to Mulder.

Yes, this scene could have been told in a different venue, but then so many scenes in so many movies could have had relevant scenes in different venues.

The one thing I'm not so sure about is whether or not Scully and Mulder see each other often; often enough for them to have a regular sex life together.

But don't be fooled; they've had sex, and a lot of it, in the past. We may have seen their post-coital-ness in that scene.


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"Why bother to have them in bed at all, since they're not discussing anything remotely relevant to the plot, and it tells us nothing except that they've 'calmed down', as you say?"

by Sinister_Finnster - I know I'm a bit late for this, but.......

How can you say they weren't discussing anything important?...

And not only WERE they discussing things related to the plot, having Mulder and Scully in bed was a fairly obvious plot device for conveying how concerned each of them were about what they were individually working on (Scully on her medical case with the boy, and Mulder on the FBI case)...so concerned...that it was keeping them both awake.

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It seems to me that the writers were angling for a Mulder-Scully relationship from the start. In the 1st show when Scully goes to Mulder's motel room to show him the 'marks' on her hip. In her underwear! And the ongoing repartee about Mulder's porn collection. Always the banter. But you have to think that they didn't actually do anything until after season 6, considering the look on Scully's face in the movie when Mulder moves to kiss her on the lips. I tear up every time I see that.

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In the first five or six years of the show, Carter said over and over and OVER that he never intended for Mulder and Scully to be anything but work partners. Now I honestly don't think he had any kind of solid long-term plan for anything--the relationship or the mythology. So if you want to say he was lying, fine. He's done a lot of that. But that's what he said. In practically every interview he did back in the 90's. And he did hundreds. Possibly thousands.

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Of course Mulder and Scully have sex. They had a ****ing kid. Did you not watch the series?

Let's talk about the second film. I liked it because it felt like a throwback to the series while gracefully maturing and retiring Mulder and Scully, without being indulgent. It's a well made, spooky B-movie for fans of the series or fans of science fiction in general. It crosses that critical threshold where the occasional clumsiness just adds charm. The bedroom scene in IWTB heavily implied the main characters were sexually active. Newsflash: in visual storytelling, when something is "implied", it means it "happened".

I assume you got turned down as an extra on one of Carter's shoots, or simply hate the guy for being successful-- it wouldn't be the first time. That would explain why you feel the need to go on about a guy with a long and storied career who created one of the most popular and long-running television shows in history-- something a loser like you will never accomplish.

Sorry this isn't some overrated Christopher Nolan romp where the viewer is led along by the nose and everything is constantly and exhaustingly explained in vivid detail from one minute to the next because the director thinks his audience is full of retardos. We didn't see anything racy in IWTB because X-Files has always been a classy show when it comes to romance and this particular scene cemented the physical relationship of the leads without distracting from the plot.

You have potential but you like to hide your lack of intelligence behind cynicism and boisterous assumptions, instead of presenting your ideas on the level so they can be easily shot down. It's boring, frankly. I was running forums in the 90s while you were crapping yourself so I've seen it all. At least have the balls to stick around before getting your ass handed to you.

On that note, don't bother with the "ignore" spiel (unless you want to) since I've already gone ahead and put you on mine. Peace

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The original poster seems awfully obsessed with Scully's sex life. Odie's posted before on similar subjects on the XF show board. I get the impression Odie doesn't want Scully to *have* a sex life except with Mulder, and she must be virginal before they consummated, but I could be wrong about that.


You're not wrong. You can be absolutely right! Of course, I've been obsessed with Scully's sex life. Good memory!

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Did YOU not watch the series?

It was never explained how William was born, though there was an attempt made by Scully to have her eggs artificially inseminated by Mulder which was deemed unsuccessful.

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Of course Mulder and Scully have sex. They had a ****ing kid. Did you not watch the series?


You posted this in 2012, so you're probably dead by now.

But still, they never had sex for the kid. It was artificial insemination with Mulder being the sperm donor. Scully even mentions that he needs to go to clinic for sperm donation (when he jokes about it).

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Scully also said that it didn't work (end or Per Manum) and couldn't understand how she was pregnant.

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Yeah but then it worked, didn't it?

If she had a child, it obviously worked and they just told her it didn't to run more experiments on her or doctor her records. Who knows? But it sure wasn't her having sex with Mulder that spawned their kid, that's for certain.

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I really wouldn't say the scene in this film was their first time.


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Their first time doing what? Lying sexlessly together in the same bed, while Scully reads, Mulder makes the lamest innuendo of all time, and she belittles his package? I'm sure that's all they've been doing for most of the past six years. All that anticipation could only lead to disappointment.

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Their first time doing what? Lying sexlessly together in the same bed, while Scully reads, Mulder makes the lamest innuendo of all time, and she belittles his package? I'm sure that's all they've been doing for most of the past six years. All that anticipation could only lead to disappointment.

What did you expect from the scene? Graphic porn?


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Despite the majority of all his other posts here, it sounds like clyons has been thinking about the sex life of Mulder and Scully a heck of a lot more than he would prefer others to believe.

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I expected it to be bad, and it was, like the rest of the movie.

But seriously--after 15 years of a crazed section of the fanbase screaming for Mulder and Scully to go to bed together--pretty much the ONLY section of the fanbase that still gives a damn what they do--this was it? The great love scene of all time? "Just a little thing?"

Hilarious.

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So graphic porn then?


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Both actors have come pretty close to that already in their more recent endeavors, particularly Duchovny. Might want to be careful about lighting, though.

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Wow, cylons, you are one bitter fan. I use the word fan because you obviously still care enough to hang out here, even if it's only to vent your anger and disappointment. Sorry you have been so let down by CC and apparently everything to do with XF. That's a sad place to be.

I thought the movie was a disappointment in some areas, especially the dialogue. I'm sure it didn't help that the writers strike prevented any rewrites, assuming CC would have gone for that. I think expectations were very high, maybe unrealistically so, but I enjoyed just experiencing TXF again and the little nods to fans were fun and nostalgic.

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And another lame personal attack, because somebody kind of liked a bad movie, and is pissed somebody else didn't.

Ignore list.

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by clyons - And another lame personal attack, because somebody kind of liked a bad movie...

Still just your OPINION that IWTB was bad. Kind of lame that you still personally attack others for not sharing that OPINION.

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I'm not pissed that you don't like the movie, clyons. Lots of people didn't, and my feelings about it are lukewarm at best.In no way was that a personal attack. I said I found it sad that you were so disappointed and angry with TXF. Are you claiming that you aren't ? If you believe in your opinions, then why is it a "personal attack" for me to refer to them? I didn't claim your opinion was wrong, or misguided, or even "lame".

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And another lame personal attack, because somebody kind of liked a bad movie, and is pissed somebody else didn't.

Ignore list.

You don't need to be so melo-dramatic.


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Psst! You don't need to put a hyphen in 'melodramatic'.

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Psst! You don't need to put a hyphen in 'melodramatic'.

Psst! Stop trying to change the subject.


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Psst! There's a subject? Since when?

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Psst! There's a subject? Since when?

Psst! Apparently since this movie was made.


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Oh God! I never thought I would agree with Clyons. After watching the XF from day one and enjoying the great story telling, acting, directing etc, and being told by CC that It would scare my pants off, I'm still wearing them and feeling very disappointed. I don't care about M & S in bed or how they look at each other or whatever. All I wanted was to see the XF, one of the most iconic shows of it's time that aired on TV. It didn't get there from bedroom scenes. It got there by a group of hard working cast, crew and writers etc. I wonder how it makes them feel when the fans seem to just care about M & S getting it on?

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Oh God! I never thought I would agree with Clyons. After watching the XF from day one and enjoying the great story telling, acting, directing etc, and being told by CC that It would scare my pants off, I'm still wearing them and feeling very disappointed. I don't care about M & S in bed or how they look at each other or whatever. All I wanted was to see the XF, one of the most iconic shows of it's time that aired on TV. It didn't get there from bedroom scenes. It got there by a group of hard working cast, crew and writers etc. I wonder how it makes them feel when the fans seem to just care about M & S getting it on?

Cylons does care. He's the one making a big deal about the sex scene being so "tame?"


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Well, it would be allowed on old time TV. It would practically get past the 1950s censors. Well, maybe not. Ricky and Lucy had separate beds and were married. But you get the idea.

Tame? No, I like to think of it as chaste. Restrained. Refined. Refreshing.

Even seeing clyons discussing this is wrong. So wrong, lmao.

He needs to get some before telling fictional characters how to get theirs.

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"I wonder how it makes them feel when the fans seem to just care about M & S getting it on?"
That's not reality. Even for me, lmao. Don't kid yourself--I'm a MAJOR shipper. (I re-wind for glances. GLANCES!)

We watch it for the story being told. M&S-inness is icing on the cake. (Proof? I don't watch Castle and Beckett because the stories don't hold my interest enough.)

The original poster seems awfully obsessed with Scully's sex life. Odie's posted before on similar subjects on the XF show board. I get the impression Odie doesn't want Scully to *have* a sex life except with Mulder, and she must be virginal before they consummated, but I could be wrong about that?

So, don't agree with Clyons based on Odie's comments. The whole idea of these 2 warping your worldview like that disturbs me!

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In all fairness, shippers were never more than a small minority of fans.

They just talked louder than all the others. And you wouldn't believe how many websites they used to have.

Very few now.

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Oh God! I never thought I would agree with Clyons. After watching the XF from day one and enjoying the great story telling, acting, directing etc, and being told by CC that It would scare my pants off, I'm still wearing them and feeling very disappointed. I don't care about M & S in bed or how they look at each other or whatever. All I wanted was to see the XF, one of the most iconic shows of it's time that aired on TV. It didn't get there from bedroom scenes. It got there by a group of hard working cast, crew and writers etc. I wonder how it makes them feel when the fans seem to just care about M & S getting it on?


The irony for me is that the M&S scenes are really the only watchable parts of the movie. I agree about all of the elements that made the show great, and M&S being lovers, or not, was not the focus of the show, but it's, really, the only thing keeping me interested after all these years. I was hooked by the darkness and conspiratorial atmosphere, but the mytharc became too convoluted and ridiculous, imo, to try to keep up with. When TLG were killed off, my hopes for the show ever being what it used to be were killed off, also. M&S are the only reason I even still care.

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I could certainly understand that--if there was any heat between them at all, any chemistry, any kind of understandable compelling relationship.

The Mulder/Scully dynamic died out a long time ago, precisely because Carter finally gave in and tried to make it romantic, because he thought that's what the audience wanted. For the most part, it wasn't what the audience wanted. The tension was the point--resolve it, even offscreen, and it dies.

And you still can't prove they ever had sex. After almost 20 years. Carter still won't come out and say that's a proven fact. He'll keep you hanging forever, if you let him.

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The Mulder/Scully dynamic died out a long time ago, precisely because Carter finally gave in and tried to make it romantic, because he thought that's what the audience wanted. For the most part, it wasn't what the audience wanted. The tension was the point--resolve it, even offscreen, and it dies.

It had been six years. They care for each other so something was bound to happene eventually. I'm surprised they're not married.


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I hear what everyone is saying. Really I do. It's just disappointing to me that most of the fans that I come in contact with are only interested in the relationship. How many besides me are really interested to this day about the story plot?

I do disagree with Clyons about one thing. That is his statement about the size of the group of shippers. I have not found one place on the internet where I'm not the minority.

Now when the fans discuss episodes, it's all about the scenes with M & S. I'd like sometimes to discuss the special effects, did the story have a hidden message, whatever. I've not found fans that care about that. Instead, it's do you think they made love in "All Things"? When do you think Scully got pregnant? These questions are discussed ad nauseam.

I said from day one that I believed if M & S got together and Scully got pregnant it would be "Moonlighting" all over again. It was. Now I'm reading that "Bones" is doing the same thing and some people are questioning the intelligience of their decision. I don't watch "Bones" so I don't have an opinion. I do feel that when you take away the anticipation, what you have left is "Married With Children".

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I hear what everyone is saying. Really I do. It's just disappointing to me that most of the fans that I come in contact with are only interested in the relationship. How many besides me are really interested to this day about the story plot?

Well I didn't enjoy I WANT TO BELIEVE simply because Mulder and Scully were in bed together. :)

I think when I saw this in theatres, I had only seen the original movie and maybe a few episodes. Wasn't until after this film that I started checking out the series. I never really cared much about Mulder and Scully's "sexual tension."


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Budderbean, enthusiasm on the internet doesn't represent reality.

If it did, Ron Paul would be our next President. Him, or Joss Whedon.

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by BudderBean - ...I said from day one that I believed if M & S got together and Scully got pregnant it would be "Moonlighting" all over again. It was.

This is the type of rationalizations I've noticed most over the years behind the opinions of people who didn't like IWTB. There always seems to be something they're trying to prove they were "right" about before the movie was actually released, and if it takes trashing the entire movie to prove it, so be it. Whether it be clyons trying to prove he's been right all along regarding his opinions of Chris Carter, or the varied opinions of the intricacies of Mulder and Scully's love life and the direction it "should" have taken.

Well The X-Files: IWTB was called The X-Files: IWTB for a reason. Wanting to believe in the paranormal and other unexplained phenomenon was the impetus for Mulders pursuance of The X-Files, which he was working on long before Scully entered the picture. And for Scully, it was wanting to believe in her religious faith. And on those respective subjects, IWTB delivered, regardless of the opinions of some to the contrary. It wasn't called The Mulder and Scully show after all. It seems a lot of people tend to forget that.

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This is the type of rationalizations I've noticed most over the years behind the opinions of people who didn't like IWTB. There always seems to be something they're trying to prove they were "right" about before the movie was actually released, and if it takes trashing the entire movie to prove it, so be it. Whether it be clyons trying to prove he's been right all along regarding his opinions of Chris Carter, or the varied opinions of the intricacies of Mulder and Scully's love life and the direction it "should" have taken.

Well The X-Files: IWTB was called The X-Files: IWTB for a reason. Wanting to believe in the paranormal and other unexplained phenomenon was the impetus for Mulders pursuance of The X-Files, which he was working on long before Scully entered the picture. And for Scully, it was wanting to believe in her religious faith. And on those respective subjects, IWTB delivered, regardless of the opinions of some to the contrary. It wasn't called The Mulder and Scully show after all. It seems a lot of people tend to forget that


I can't figure out what your point is. I'm not even sure you know what your point is. But if saying it makes you feel better, go for it. That said, I guess I have no comment.

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I'm not going to try to put words in Whototrust's mouth. I'm just going to say how I took what he said.
All of the following is IMO IMO IMO:
He's talking about expectations of what the movie should have been. Some people had preconceived notions of what the movie should've been about, how the movie should have gone, etc. Some of those preconceived notions were or were not confirmed. People left disappointed because the movie didn't fill their preconceived notions. If the movie is taken for what it really is, a MOTW, it's not half bad.
Clyons was happy, though, lol. His preconceived notions were confirmed in his opinion.
Belief. Wanting to believe. Scully wanted to believe in her faith. Mulder wanted to believe in the paranormal. Both of them were challenged, and both of them turned out to be right. They saved the day for 1 young woman and caught the bad guys.

This is what I'd like to add.
What some fans didn't like was that Scully's desire to believe and Mulder's desire to believe clashed in this case. It wasn't Scully the rational vs. Mulder the intuitive. It was Scully the religious vs. Mulder the believer in the paranormal working at cross paths. This unnerved some people, I think. But it's a natural progression of these characters. They're no longer working cases, and they have separate jobs and identities.

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Budderbean, enthusiasm on the internet doesn't represent reality.

If it did, Ron Paul would be our next President. Him, or Joss Whedon.



Oh God! What's the matter with me? I agree with you again. This may be the end of the world as we know it.

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I'm not going to try to put words in Whototrust's mouth. I'm just going to say how I took what he said.
All of the following is IMO IMO IMO:
He's talking about expectations of what the movie should have been. Some people had preconceived notions of what the movie should've been about, how the movie should have gone, etc. Some of those preconceived notions were or were not confirmed. People left disappointed because the movie didn't fill their preconceived notions. If the movie is taken for what it really is, a MOTW, it's not half bad.
Clyons was happy, though, lol. His preconceived notions were confirmed in his opinion.
Belief. Wanting to believe. Scully wanted to believe in her faith. Mulder wanted to believe in the paranormal. Both of them were challenged, and both of them turned out to be right. They saved the day for 1 young woman and caught the bad guys.

This is what I'd like to add.
What some fans didn't like was that Scully's desire to believe and Mulder's desire to believe clashed in this case. It wasn't Scully the rational vs. Mulder the intuitive. It was Scully the religious vs. Mulder the believer in the paranormal working at cross paths. This unnerved some people, I think. But it's a natural progression of these characters. They're no longer working cases, and they have separate jobs and identities.


After the first paragraph, I thought it was just another one of his rants about me and fans like me. Frankly, by then I just lost interest. I'm not interested in another personal battle with someone who just wants to fight.

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by BudderBean - After the first paragraph, I thought it was just another one of his rants about me and fans like me. Frankly, by then I just lost interest. I'm not interested in another personal battle with someone who just wants to fight.

Still very convenient that whenever you do it, it's expressing an opinion, but when someone else does it, it's "fighting", or "arguing".

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by BudderBean - I can't figure out what your point is. I'm not even sure you know what your point is. But if saying it makes you feel better, go for it. That said, I guess I have no comment.

For having no comment, you sure seem to be compelled to continue trying to prove your point, which again, is what all those rationalizations usually seemed geared towards, trying to prove a point. Of course, simply disagreeing with what I'm saying, trying to imply I don't know what I'm saying, or not being able to figure out what I'm saying doesn't mean you've actually proven your point, but if saying what you do makes you feel better, go for it.

That said, while you seem to feel the need to prove points, all I was doing was relaying a similarity in comments I've seen over the years between people who share your opinion of IWTB. How that similarity is interpreted by others and whether they think what I've said has any merit is up to them. It's fairly clear though that each person making those comments seem more concerned with proving their preconceived notion about IWTB was "right" than whether IWTB fulfilled the classic X-Files formula.

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OK, but let's talk about the movie!

I liked it. You didn't. Good place to start.

Let's explore the noromo universe! I'm not entirely familiar with it, so it'll be fun!

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"How many besides me are really interested to this day about the story plot?"
I am, I am. I was riveted by Scully's research into cell stem stuff and the cruel experiments on dogs. I was on the edge of my seat to see what Father Joe could 'see' as they were driving on the road. The movie was suspenseful for me.
It was shot slower than XF stuff tends to be--like longer shots or something, but that was the only difference I could see.
When Mulder was in trouble, I was worried about him, although I know they always make it in the end, I was still worried. I hoorayed when Skinner showed up to save the day. And when Scully trusted her gut, I cheered.
If you want to talk about the movie, let's talk about the movie. Because I can. I've seen it twice relatively recently, so I remember details.
And I want to talk about the movie, not just defend it.

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Wow, this is also what I think. Lemme repeat your comment, "How is this possible?" Pretty darned cool is what it is.

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Let's agree to disagree about the film's quality, which I think is abysmal on pretty much every level, though the cinematography (which Carter isn't responsible for) isn't too bad--or anything at all special. Competent, no more--which is more than you can say about the writing, directing, or acting.

But FYI, you're wrong about the screenplay being pulled from a 'stockpile' of unused scripts. Pilfered from them, perhaps--but Carter and Spotnitz wrote this script the same year the film was made. Plenty of far superior scripts, for film and TV, have been written with less advance notice--that isn't the problem. Fight the Future, which was not QUITE as horrible as IWTB, was written in even less time, during the hiatus between the 4th and 5th seasons. Explore the extreme possibility that these guys are just really sucky writers, whether they take their time or not. I mean, they had SIX YEARS to think about this one.

What you're missing is that if it hadn't been for the strike, Carter couldn't have gotten any film made. But having gotten it made, he proved, once and for all, that he wasn't the secret of this franchise's success (other people deserve that perhaps now-dubious honor), and furthermore, that people had just lost interest in both the franchise and its shopworn 'stars.'

There's nothing left here--except the inevitable reboot, which will have to be made by new people--on both sides of the camera--if it's going to have any chance of success.

More money, in Carter's hands, just makes for a bigger flop.

And honestly--in Canada, with the leads agreeing to a percentage of the (nonexistent) profits, a film like IWTB shouldn't have cost HALF what Carter blew on it.

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Fair enough, but I think you underestimate just how bad the reaction was to IWTB, and to the last few years of the show. A whole lot of potential viewers are just GONE now. They might come back for a reboot (or a whole generation of new fans might appear), but face it--Anderson & Duchovny aren't movie stars, and never could have been. They're too old now, and the chemistry is dead. So even with the best possible writing and direction, a movie starring them is going to do badly.

But that's a moot point to argue, because a movie starring them would be written and most likely directed by ol' Surferdud. Package deal. Maybe it happens, maybe not, dismal flop if it does, reboot happens either way--only question is when.

Forget it Jake, it's Cartertown.

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Okay, let's agree that IF they could make a movie with Anderson & Duchovny that recaptured the spirit of the first few years of the show, a section of the show's audience would show up at theaters, or at least shell out for the DVD--enough to make a modestly budgeted film worthwhile from a commercial standpoint.

Now admit the basic fact that they can never do this. That X-Files is dead and gone, and that happened long before IWTB came out.

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That's what's wrong with the people running the film industry these days in my opinion, short attention spans and being too afraid to take risks. They behave like sharks at a feeding frenzy only too eager to run off as many projects as possible with the current flavor of the month (seemingly regardless of whether those projects are just cliche copies of one another), and not willing to take a chance on a once HUGE fan base if there's even the slightest chance that a GUARANTEED ROI for the next quarterly report is not absolute. It's called a risk, and the people running the show (so to speak) seem to have forgotten that taking risks is most likely how they got where they currently are in the first place.

And all that in and of itself is somewhat understandable considering the current economy, where it seems as if everyone is holding their breath waiting for someone else to show them what to do, but as far the entertainment industry goes, the general public is left suffering through the majority of vision-lacking results being offered in theaters, ironically enough at the highest ticket prices ever. Gee, thanks movie industry.

And people blame Chris Carter for not giving the fans what they wanted in IWTB...

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I'll believe it only if they've tried and failed to make a third film.


Technically, they've been trying and failing since the last one flopped, but that's not what you meant, is it?

Otherwise, there's still hope.


No, there isn't. Not while Carter is involved, and he won't allow himself not to be. Only way to get rid of him is to get rid of everybody else as well, and he may have clauses in his past contracts that allow him to veto any project he doesn't approve of, even though 20th owns the franchise. Maybe they expire at some point. Or maybe they have to wait for Carter himself to expire. His parents both died quite young--years before their son finally became a success by taking credit for other people's work.

From an industry perspective (I work in the film industry)


My sympathies.

there's a good arguement for both sides.


Obviously not a script proofreader.......

In my opinion, DD & GA's appearance in a third would be the main issue of concern.


In that any film starring those two would be a matter of concern, because they've never been able to draw flies at the box office......

Both actors are ready and willing to participate-


Ready, willing, but hardly able.

although Anderson recently admitted there'd be little point in XF3 if not written on the 2012 story arc and released in that year.


And we both know that's not going to happen. They could never have it ready by next fall, and next winter is packed with films that would crush any X-Files movie into oblivion. 2012 is gone. Releasing it in 2013 is the last possible option, and not a very good one. If not in 2013, then NEVER. Carter and Spotnitz are both taking on new projects for television--which will fail--but that's hardly the point. They wouldn't be taking these projects if they thought a film was upcoming anytime soon. Both would much prefer to be in the movie biz, but the movie biz would just as soon prefer they stay the hell away.

However, I won't argue with the fact that both leads really aren't bankable anymore... They might have to get Gillian guest-starring in a couple of hit American TV shows first(of whichever studio would be doing the third film) in order to make her current.


You really think she wants to do that? You really think that would even work? Seriously? Like a guest shot on The Big Bang Theory or something? That would make her 'bankable'? Laurie Metcalf and Christine Baranski are both doing wonderful work on that show, as recurring characters--far better than Anderson is capable of doing (comedy was never her forte). That doesn't make them movie stars. It just makes them professional actors. Something Anderson just marginally qualifies as at present.

Or, the film's supporting actors would have to be big actors. None of this Amanda Peet/ Xibit/ Billy Connelly nonsense.


Why would you even want to see that?

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I mean once it arrives in cinemas. Figures and reviews don't lie.


Nope. And the figures and reviews for IWTB tell us quite clearly what a third film would be like. And you can deny that, but there it is, on bomojo and rotten tomatoes, for all to see.

Ouch. Personal grudge much?


Hard to have a personal grudge against somebody you never had any form of personal interaction WITH. I have a grudge against all posing hacks. You should see what I'm saying about Newt Gingrich on another forum, this very minute. I imagine you've got plenty of 'personal grudges' against people you've never met as well. But that's DIFFERENT.

Something tells me if I revealed my exact title you'd have something to say about that. So I'll refrain.


I make no assumptions whatsoever. I don't even assume you're in the biz. Why even bring it up, honestly? It's the INTERNET.

Officially speaking, is this? Or are you a bigger backseat driver than Mr. Krump?


I'll google that ref when I have the time. I'd say you're definitely not a writer, but then again, given what passes for writing in your neck of the woods.....

There is truth to this.


Chew on this truth--Duchovny and Anderson have both gotten too far into bed with Carter--they thought he was their key to one more paycheck, but having made this alliance, they can't back out of it. They won't. If Carter gets shoved out the door, they'll go with him. But even if the studio wanted a movie with them (and it doesn't--much rather recast the roles with younger hotter people), Carter and Spotnitz come with the deal, and that sours the deal. They might get a franchise-ender (looking less likely every day), but it wouldn't be what you're looking for--low budget--preferably lower than IWTB--to minimize the loss.

I'm not Gillian Anderson, or her agent. You are not either, I presume.


Well, you can't be wrong EVERY time.

But I do know Anderson has been following several series and considering doing shorter TV stints both in the US and UK. She has expressed interest in this for a while now, and taking the school terms of her children into account is believe it or not an even higher priority than choosing the right project.


You start talking about her children's school terms, after accusing me of pretending to know too much about her life. Classic.

Not only does it work, but it's been done effectively for decades.


With bigger names and better actors. And less utterly demolished franchises.

Was thinking more of shows with a little craft- Boardwalk Empire, The Walking Dead, American Horror Story, Breaking Bad, The Closer. There are a few.


The Walking Dead wouldn't have her, American Horror Story ditto, Breaking Bad gets basement ratings, maybe you didn't hear that The Closer is closing down?

I happen to live in the UK, and Anderson is actually quite highly regarded here. Are you familiar with BAFTA?


You mean the locally prestigious award she was nominated for twice, and won neither time? Yep. She got a nod for playing Wallis Simpson--in a TV production that wasn't ABOUT Wallis Simpson. She gets cast in things because she used to be Scully. If she had to depend on acting ability alone--well, let's not go there.

Oh, but I didn't give examples, so you can't possibly know whether it'd be distasteful.


As this conversation has increasingly become, so to the ignore list you go, hanger-on pretending to know stuff. For the record, I've never worked in entertainment, and all I pretend to know is what I read in the funny papers. And you could know the same, if you'd open your eyes.

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I would love to see GA on Boardwalk Empire

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Not gonna happen.

Game of Thrones, possibly. One of those characters that don't live very long.

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I didn't get the Krump reference, and Drive is 1 of my fave eps, lmao. My excuse? I'm bad with names. Terrible, in fact.

Why are you bothering to argue with this has-been who's desperately arguing GA's a has-been?

OK, it's fun to mess with Clyons from time to time just for s- and giggles, I admit.

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Technically, they've been trying and failing since the last one flopped, but that's not what you meant, is it?

I wouldn't call David and Gillian's willingness to return trying and failing. Maybe if the film was greenlit, started filming, but ran out of money and Fox pulled the plug, then yes.


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by Emily_Simms - ...Oh, and please do feel free to put me on ignore. Funny- you claim not to have the time to perform a simple google search, yet here you are posting continually on a board for a film and franchise you have absolutely nothing positive to comment on.

Posting about this film and The X-Files franchise is, and it would seem always has been, a smoke-screen for masking a personal crusade against Chris Carter. All a person has to notice is that regardless of whoever or whatever X-Files related is being discussed, Chris Carter's name always finds it's way into the conversation in a Negative-Seven-Degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon kind of way.

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Ooo, let's play!

Bernie Madoff!

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You would think Carter gave Clyons herpes with the way he goes on and on with his hatin'.

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Never had herpes. And I'd like to keep it that way, so welcome to my ignore list.

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I guess I was wrong about Clyons not getting any. Or maybe I was right all along....
"Never had herpes. And I'd like to keep it that way, so welcome to my ignore list."

LMAO. Great line, Wookie, btw.

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His response was a little defensive so I must have hit a nerve. Poor herpe riddled bastard.

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Maybe he'll get a cure for Xmas.

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There's no cure for the herpes. You know, it all makes sense now. This personal grudge of Clyons isn't because he's a sad little person with no life. It's because Chris Carter gave him the gift that keeps on giving. Next time, Clyons, you'll have to break out the "no glove no love" line.

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Poor Mrs. Carter. I wonder if she knows.

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Geekery and I are having a fun coversation over at the DD board in the "Revised my blog" thread. We're discussing the wrongness of bathing suits and other irrelevancies.

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I thought the movie was a disappointment in some areas, especially the dialogue.


Having recently seen it for the 3rd time, and for the first time in three years, I have to agree with you. I took me 3 viewings to process it thoroughly and only now have I realized that it was dialogue that actually disappointed me the most. So unusually below the standard.

"Martha is 108... years old. She weighs somewhat more than that". - George

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I think they definitely live together and that Mulder has been derelict in his house-cleaning duties, which Scully was ever so slightly irked by when she walked in. Though, quite frankly, I'm not as big a neatnik as Scully, so their lived in living room and office don't look THAT bad to me. It's very homey, actually, with lots of wood cabinets and shelves and vintage decor. Scully's office space was very neat in comparison to Mulder's den and I noticed a Japanese-style hanging on the wall in her office, which seemed like a nice carry over from "all things." Undoubtedly some obsessive fan will better detail the decor of their abode and map out what is known of their bedroom, office, living room and other areas of their remote house, which I think is meant to be in very rural West Virginia. Scully is doing a lot of commuting.

Wish that there were even more scenes with the two of them together. Loved the kiss, but it was shot terribly and as romantic as the series was from start to finish Carter acts like he doesn't want them together. Come on! She was possibly telling him good by and they weren't kissing and embracing like mad? It was tender but I felt like he didn't want us to see it or something.

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The answer is yes.

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I know this was posted like forever ago but I just stumbled upon it. I have no idea if the user is still active. But I can answer your question about it. Yes they have had sex in that bed. It may not be stated or there may not be a sex scene but they have. The actors have made comments here and there about it. Like when they brought the show back David says he always gets it wrong about if they were married or not and Gillian says that they never were and he goes so we were living in sin. She then laughs and says yes we were.

They also reveal in like the trivia on this site for the show for episodes that they had a sexual relationship in their time together. You can argue that this is fan written but where did they get that info?

The question of William is always there but they consider him Mulder's kid. If you've seen the new season you will find that out. But it's also revealed in interviews, BTS, commentaries, etc. that they had a relationship and had sex. Their first time was revealed by Gillian Anderson in "All Things" that she wanted us to think that they had consummated their relationship because that was her angle there. So there's some proof out there. :)

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I do want to also make a comment about what the user said about her "belittling" his manhood. Where in gods name dos you get that? The scene basically plays out like this:

Scully: I can't sleep
Mulder: I have a little something for that.
Scully: Just a little?
Mulder: Thank you.

Now where does she belittle his manhood? She compliments it.

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I'm guessing they did have sex as they had sex in the Plus One episode though we don't see it

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