MISANDRY!
mi·san·dry
Hatred of men.
When men are objectified, no one blinks because they don't know what word to use. But when a movie does not show girls to be in absolute power positions, the sick feminists complain.
The girls basically blackmail him into having sex with them, which is basically rape, but as usual the man is to blame.
Know the word MISANDRY!
thanks, I think. I'll keep that in mind...
sharethanks, I agree, as much as I love the idea of feminism, getting kinda tired on media overdoin' it. the ending in which it said/implied "Keith got what he deserved" made me cringe so much.
shareI agree.The girls are just as responsable as he is.
shareMisandry is a good word and there's far too much of it around - but I don't think it applies to this movie! A bunch of teenage girls having no empathy with anyone other than themselves (including each other) is not 'hatred of men'.
I didn't find this movie particularly misandric and I thought that overall it showed Keith as a victim rather than saying he deserved what he got. Not that his behaviour was particuarly noble, so I wouldn't have been satisfied if the movie had portrayed the girls as completely to blame either.
I think a lot of what the girls did was wrong but I would have had trouble believing a movie that showed them admitting it - it's only in schmaltzy kid's films that people learn their lesson straight away. *grin*
In reality it generally takes quite a long time for people to grow up enough to be honest about themselves and admit that they may not have done the right thing in their teens. Certainly I look back on the certainties I had at that age and cringe at how self-centered and naive I was (though gotta say I never had an affair with a married man).
It struck me that I'd like to make a sequel to "These Girls" and catch up with the characters maybe 15 years later.
I have no idea what would have happened to Keith & Sue 15 years on but I sincerely hope he's taken to being a little more honest with his wife.
I can imagine Glory finding herself in Sue's position - with her life of babies and baking not turning out to be quite what she expected and her husband having affairs, Glory could finally realise what Keith meant when he said Sue might not think being married to him was such a good thing.
I can imagine Lisa finally realising that she's allowed her family's expectations of a life of christian purity to prevent her from living the life she's really cut out for (as an artist maybe?) Lisa could finally come to feel she's been wasting her God-given talents and end up doing a Thelma & Louise.
I can imagine Keira looking back on a life of meaningless cynical affairs, realising that she is alone and unhappy because she never really learned to drop her walls enough to care. Keira could finally come to feel genuinely sorry for the trouble and pain they inadvertently caused.
It would be nice to think so anyway!
I guess my point is that blaming men for absolutely everying is wrong. Blaming women for absolutely everything is wrong. This movie doesn't really blame anybody for anything at all but does nicely show a more fundamental truth - nobody is perfect and the universe isn't fair.
completely agree! I actually thought that it was a very good and funny movie, but only because I thought that the girls would pay for it in the end. I also thought that he would pay for what he did as well. Kinda like all of them learned a lesson, and life goes on. But noooooo, he gets the s**t, and the girls go on living their lives as nothing happened...nothing learned. In the end Keira even thinks about doing it again! For me, the turning point was when they kidnapped the baby. Being a father myself, I could really feel what he was going through. After that, the movie was no longer funny.
On the good side, I enjoyed Davids acting and I am looking forward to seeing more from him.
But the baby WASN'T kidnapped, not really. THey thought she was in danger because of the "fight" that was going on. And Keith's beating was a direct consequence of his own stupidity.
Did the girls get off too easy? Maybe. Probably. But this movie wasn't a socio-political tract. It was a cute comedy with very attractive actors in a farcical situation. I think the person who originally posted this should lighten up.
"Cate Blanchett is a creature sent by the Gods to delight us."
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When men are abused in this Misandrist way, no one notices because they have not been programmed by the feminist media to react. Men cannot be victims because only girls can be victims. The girls are not to be blamed, and the man is to take all of the blame. People have been programmed, by the feminist controlled media, to resist against any attempts to lay the blame on the girls because:
1. Girls can only be victims; do not deviate from this one direction of thought.
2. Girls do not have to accept responsibility for their actions since they can always blame it on the men. Do not deviate from this one direction of thought.
But, as stated by mechanomotor, when the genders are reversed in the same scenario, people become hysterical, losing all common sense, and the teenage boys are to take the blame, while the old girl is a victim once again.
In the UK we had a court case a while back where a women teacher was jailed for sleeping with 14 year old male pupil. Nobody got hysterical, common sense was retained and the teenage boy was not expected to take the blame. The only outcry was from people complaining that the old girl didn't get a long enough jail sentence. The protesters believed the sentence reflected institutional misandry and that a man would have been treated more harshly, but looking at the published statistics on sentences many male offenders received equally short sentences.
The most hated woman in the UK is Myra Hindley one of the infamous Moors Murderers. She and her husband sexually assaulted young boys, murdered them and buried their bodies on the Yorkshire Moors. They were both given life sentences where life meant life. She was never allowed to lay the blame on her man and is widely regarded as being the more evil of the two.
Protest misandry by all means - fight it wherever it rears it's ugly head - but please don't generalise!
No one became Hysterical because SHE is the CRIMINAL! If a girl was the victim, people WILL become hysterical, and lose all common sense along the way. Debra Lafave only got house arrest for statutory rape. For the same crime, a man would be sent to prison to be GANG raped and beaten on a daily basis. The double standard is sickening!
This movie is MISANDRIST! Reverse the genders, and the feminists would be screaming!
Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo killed and raped her sister; amongst many other victims. The evidence indicates Karla is the mastermind, and that she committed the worst acts against her victims. But when Karla blamed her actions on Paul for wife abuse, people lost all common sense and she got a light sentence. Karla is now out of prison and living in Montreal. Poor Karla! Once again, the girl is the victim.
shareMy point with the teacher is that the closest anyone got hysteria was on behalf of the boy - people behaved much as they would have had the sexes been reversed 'cos actualy we don't tend to get hysterical about male teachers having affairs with 14 year olds either. We think it's wrong and they get arrested and do jail time but that's a long way from hysteria.
As for the Karla case I would say that was unfair and quite probably a miscarriage of justice - I don't know the case in question but if the evidence is she's just as guilty then she should be punished just as harshly as him.
As I said - here in the UK men and women generally do equal times for equal crimes. A school teacher rapes a boy and the complaints are that's she's not been treated harshly enough but in reality she has only received the same sentence as a man would have got under the same circumstances. A woman who commits terrible murders is reviled for it as much as her husband and not allowed to give him all the blame. (As well as the Moors murderers we have another example of that in Fred and Rosemary West - they were a couple who also committed serial killings together. After being charged Fred West committed suicide in prison, possibly in the hope that people would go easy on his wife, and she tried to put all the blame on him. Nobody bought it).
We're quoting cases from different countries, so maybe what we have here is a difference based on nationality? The UK's sub judice rules limit what the media can publish before and during a trial. This is to prevent lurid headlines and spin from influencing potential jury members with "evidence" that wouldn't actually be admissable in court and could be downright lies. As a side affect the lock-down on reporting also helps to starve the hysterical types of the media attention they crave.
I'm not saying that the UK is pefect!!! Far from it and we have had some serious miscarriages of justice in the past - but we don't seem to have so much misandry in our attitude to crime. Always fascinating how widely attitudes vary around the world!
So I stand by my previous points on this thread:
1) Misandry is wrong and there is far too much of it about.
2) Misogyny is wrong and there is far too much of it about.
3) I don't believe the movie "These Girls" is either misandric or misogynistic.
And another thing - reverse the sexes ENTIRELY and the movie would still be funny. It would end up with the mother of all cat fights between the female version of Keith Clark and her female friend (i.e. a female version of Lenny) while the only person who came out of the movie looking like a decent person would be the male equivalent of the cuckolded wife. Directed and acted to the same standard that would be very funny!
Nobody on this site is arguing that Keith was to blame or that the girls were right!
"But the baby WASN'T kidnapped, not really. THey thought she was in danger because of the "fight" that was going on."
oh yeah, sure! if that wasn't kidnapping I don't know what is! If they thought the baby might be in danger because of the fight, why not take the baby just outside and wait for things to calm down? I can assure you my dear friend, if anyone did what they did to my child, I would for sure rip their limbs off one by one and feed them to the pigs (and then claim insanity!)
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Nobody on this site is arguing that Keith was to blame or that the girls were right!This thread topic is at the OTHER End of the spectrum. It is about Misandry. He is the victim. Why would you even consider looking at it from the wrong end?
reverse the sexes ENTIRELY and the movie would still be funny.The feminists do not have a sense of humour and the gender-biased laws prove it. The world needs you FrankieGirl, to spread the humour and tell the feminists to lighten up and stop spreading their sexist hate. Go FrankieGirl, Go!
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Ditto! That is what this thread is about, but people are going off topic because they are not conditioned to recognize that and must bring something else into the picture.
The guy got objectified in the movie.
If he wasn't such a slut, cheating on his wife he wouldn't have "been forced" to have sex with anyone. It makes sense that he deserves the most blame.That explains why "NO" means "YES"! It certainly contradicts perfectly the gender-biased RAPE Shield laws that protects a girl's sexual history and misconduct, and explains why they such gender-biased laws must be abolished because girls must learn to accept responsibility for their actions. Please present your insight to the feminists and to the world. It is about time people woke up to this Double Standard! share
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The guy got objectified in the movie. If he wasn't such a slut, cheating on his wife he wouldn't have "been forced" to have sex with anyone. It makes sense that he deserves the most blame.
...It certainly contradicts perfectly the gender-biased RAPE Shield laws that protects a girl's sexual history and misconduct, and explains why such gender-biased laws must be abolished because girls must learn to accept responsibility for their actions...
There are no gender-biased rape shield laws. Keith consented to the affairs, and was the one in power (the adult, physically stronger).Your response indicates you completely missed the point. You don't understand the parallel you made about him being a slut and "being forced" to have sex with respect to the Rape SHIELD laws. You are ignorant and dumb because you cannot even understand simple CONCEPTS. I am pointing out the MISANDRY in the movie which you BLINDLY choose to ignore simply because you have been brain-washed to resist against men being projected as victims. You are living proof that an entire generation of people have been brain-washed by the feminists to blame men for everything! You are a MISANDRIST!
This thread started with a clear case of MISANDRY in the movie, but brain-washed sheep are programmed to blindly resist against men being recognized as victims. That is proof to the level of the feminist brainwashing. Knowing the word Misandry has become that much more important!
MISANDRY!
mi·san·dry
Hatred of men.
Know the word MISANDRY!
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Tchenss,Misandry is the word. It is a simple, but very good word. Know the word MISANDRY!
MIS.AND.RIST MIS.AND.RIST MIS.SAN.RIST SICK FEMINIST SICK FEMINIST
You can't even notice "being forced" is in quotations which means I don't mean it. Talk about not understanding simple concepts.
You are a MISOGYNIST. You exempt Keith from all his fault YES all of it is his fault. He had an affair with each of them and when he got tired of the affairs he left them. He was the one in power even if the girls supposedly blackmailed him.
"Misandry is the word. It is a simple, but very good word. Know the word MISANDRY!
MISANDRY!
mi·san·dry
Hatred of men.
Of course when a girl is trying out for a position as a firefighter, the laws of physics will bend; she will automatically become Equally strong, and not weaker, because it suits her."
Listen to you. You're bordering on criminally insane. I hope nobody gives you a license for concealed weapons.
buffyslays-1,Once again, you have proven that you do not understand the analogy with respect to the Rape shield laws. You don't even understand how Blackmail works! You are really dumb. You cannot see parallel situations, and you cannot see a different perspective because you have been brain-washed not to. You are a brain-washed MISANDRIST!
You can't even notice "being forced" is in quotations which means I don't mean it. Talk about not understanding simple concepts.
You are a MISOGYNIST. You exempt Keith from all his fault YES all of it is his fault. He had an affair with each of them and when he got tired of the affairs he left them. He was the one in power even if the girls supposedly blackmailed him.
buffyslays-1,The firefighter example is a common Feminist rant that everyone is aware of. Feminists constantly contradict themselves because their politics are not based on principle. Feminist hate is Criminal. Feminists are insane; and feminist FOLLOWERS are brain-dead! I Agree!!! I AGREE!!!!!
Of course when a girl is trying out for a position as a firefighter, the laws of physics will bend; she will automatically become Equally strong, and not weaker, because it suits her."
Listen to you. You're bordering on criminally insane. I hope nobody gives you a license for concealed weapons.
I have to confess to not having seen the film, but have been following this discussion with some interest (and disgust at the insults being thrown at each other). Everyone seems to be missing a fundamental point. MEN AND WOMEN ARE DIFFERENT. Yes, society views certain situations differently. You only need to watch video outtakes where a man gets hit in the privates for men to wince and the women to laugh. Things are viewed differently for men and women, not least with rape cause lets face it, it’s technically(!) easier for a man to rape a woman than the other way around. Plus, from what I can gather, Kaith was a grown man that cheated. Girls will play around and try to seduce handsome men, whether they are married or not. It was up to him to put a halt to it.
shareAs a girl my self, My meaning the Girls was to blame.
Black-Mail Is Wrong.
Yes, It was wrong of him to do all of them, but they was inn on it, and they aprotched him.
He did't turn them down, and that was wrong, but when the *beep* had happend, It was to late for him to turn them down, i he had don that, they would have cried rape. (you can see Keira do that to show him what whoul have happend if he turnd them down)
Black-Mail is wrong. The Girls was Wrong.
But I like the movie.
(and b.t.w. If i would have been Glory, I would not let the other's have Him)
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Youre a pussy! You should go live in some some middle eastern country where women are still castrated and walk around with their faces covered-NO rights NO education. You have no freakin clue what its like to be objectified, the weaker sex, powerless. This movie is scary to you? Threatening?? Get real buddy. Its a comedy.
DONT FRET you little Nancyboy,-Men still rule the world and it will always be that way. Your comments piss me off. Get a life. Get a clue. Finda a real cause for a problem that actually EXISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bottom line is after the one night stands with Kiera and Lisa everything after that was blackmail and a clear cut case of male rape it doesn't matter the gender it was rape especially when the 3 of them had him by the balls with the pot plantation he had growing in his backyard and the affairs he had with all 3 of them would of landed him 10-15 years in jail and the last 10-20 minutes in my oppinion the movie stopped being enjoyable and became rather offensive and rather hard to watch being a male myself as well as a David Boreanaz fan.
Kiera is a text book sociopath
Lisa was a religious hypocrtical bitch
Glory was a marriage and baby having freak
Did Keith screw up you bet your ass he did he should off never got invloved with these 3 head cases did he deserve what happened to him NO.
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statutory rape yes he is guilty of that as well as the pot but lets be honest statutory rape is the Jay walking of sex crimes no one really gives a *beep* about it you don't go to jail for it in most cases you just pay a fine I know people who have been charged with it.
But Keith in my oppinion seemed like a sex addict he's not a bad person like the girls were who took advantage of that after he told them "NO" we should all call it quits and that is called thats called "Rape" look it up.
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He said NO when Glory came to visit him after the mess that happened between all 3 off them they blackmailed him into it they were both socipaths and completely heartless bitches who had no regard for him as a person or anything other then a penis puppet thats rape.
True he *beep* up but honestly from the couple of seconds in the film we see his wife it's empiled that to 2 of them don't get along that well.
I have to agree that this feminist garbage is out of control in soceity femal empowerment give me a *beep* break.
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I'am not exusing Keith's actions at all for *beep* up by getting involved with the girls in the first place as an adult he shouldn't have it done it at all because had train wreck written all over it from the start.
The problem is when he ended it when he talked to Glory about everything that happened neither off the girls actually listened to him which they should off because he was an adult and they were nothing more then horny teenage girls who wanted to screw the hot guy there was nothing posstive about to come out of it it was a *beep* disater.
Blackmail into sex = Rape plain and simple you can't justify it at all the only differnce is if it was a female in his postion what would your stance on the subject be then.
His wife to me in the few seconds we actually saw her came of as a guarded bitch who only married Keith in the first place was because he looked hot and would make a great trophy husband.
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and the circumstances of the situation is that the girls were clearly more in the wrong then he was hell they couldn't even take a hint that Keith wanted nothing to do with them by when in the middle of the film he used the "spare" day they all had to share together to go out with his biker buddies.
shareHe was more in the wrong. He had a wife and kid he was cheating on even before they blackmailed him. And, rather than just admit it, he complicated the situation by consenting to sleep with them.
shareShould have have cheated on his wife from the start no he screwed up I admitted that but honestly did he really have a choice when they did blackmail him no that =rape.
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agreed lets just agree to disagree here on this topic shall we.
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This thread appears to be dead now but I'd like to respond to the final comment posted. I rented the movie that sparked the discussion of 'Misandry' because of an actress who appeared in it and in a cancelled 2004 TV program called Wonderfalls. While watching the movie I've been reading some very interesting comments and opinions. Many of which I can only discribe as continuing the Battle of the Sexes.
Quote by meddlechick24 *Feminism, learn the word. Feminism refers to EQUALITY between the sexes. Get your facts straight. *
I guess that quote was directed at everybody who reads it. Therefore:
Actually, meddlechick24, with all due respect, you need to get your facts straight. "Feminism is not a single ideology. Rather it's characterized by a diverse set of perspectives and movements dedicated to promoting the rights of women." That is a quote taken from the socialsciencedictionary.org a site dedicated to a greater understanding of social mores for teachers, students and others. There is no single word or definition that describes the so-called movement.
Today's view of Feminism has greatly evolved since it was first articulated in the 19th century. In the beginning it was simply a movement for equal rights that became a social and cultural movement. However, in the modern era it has become a means to an end to assert a Politico-Socio Economic power struggle by women against the patriarchal status quo. A movement charged with emotion, passion and misandry yet hardly espousing any semblance of progressive idealogy or level-headedness needed to prevail against the evil empire.
A diamond cannot be shaped by smashing it with a hammer. It'll shatter into a million pieces. It needs a gentle touch, a good eye and the correct technique. The same applies to Equality. But it needs an even gentler touch and many, many hands working together....
Men are generally regarded as the stronger sex, mentally and emotionally. Whether or not that is true, trying to live up to that ideal is why strong-willed women like Hillary Clinton are often deemed 'manly' by their peers. It also makes them seem aloof, unapproachable and emotionally cold to the average guy. I think it's unfortunate but it may well be an affectation necessary to succeed, to hold power in today's world. Condoleezza Rice, on the other hand, may be the exception to the rule as she's certainly powerful, forceful and feminine.
Ms. Clinton, however, of late has been affecting a 'softer' more likeable persona while maintaining an aura of inner strength required of a Presidential candidate. True as that may be, she still seems more forceful and decisive than many of her male opponents. Mostly they seem to be downplaying their natural bravado to appeal to a wider voter base as 'the good ol' American boy next door.' They're really just competing amongst themselves like a pool full of lane swimmers matching each other stroke by stroke. Most women, I think, see the boy next door as nonthreatening and harmless. So, Ms. Clinton need only tread water and not offend very many to maintain the advantage over her male opponents. Like her or not, she's on a mission. The target is the White House and it's well within reach.
Try to make the arguement that she's NOT equal to anyone running for political office and you'll lose.
Outside the academic arena there isn't a meaningful dialog concerning the equality of the sexes between the strongly polarized factions --even in the popular media. Not in business, not in politics, not in the home. Remember, I said meaningful dialog, NOT argumentative ranting. Until then equality will be superceeded by 'social injustice.' Peace may be impossible until such a dialog exists. The gender wars look to continue unabated.
Feminism hasn't changed the rules one iota in the gender wars. Generally speaking, equality enters into the equation only rarely. At best, it's a brief handshake between sparring partners before the bell rings. Neither side wins when there's no resolution.
Therefore, meddlechick24, if modern Feminism simply refered to EQUALITY between the sexes, as you stated above, then it wouldn't be a failure and contrary with a movement rife with promoting ONLY 'women's rights.' It would be a movement promoting 'Human Rights.' A distinction that modern Feminism clearly ignores.
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