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First half was good, went downhilll after they 'get involved'


This movie started sucking it up after he kicks the crew out of the house. Yes, it's very derivative of Man Bites Dog in a lot of ways and can't hold a candle to that film in terms of anything...but...I found the lighter tone to be watchable and entertaining enough to avoid being a complete waste of time. Until it became predictable and tedious as stated, when the camera crew went into the house. Could've done without the campiness, if they had just left out the unreal elements and just made Leslie a guy pretending to be like those fictional characters and made Ahab more believable, I'd have liked it more.

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What ruined the movie for me was not even the fact that the crew got involved (although I have to agree, the second half was much worse - Taylor KNOWS Leslie sabotaged all of the big weapons and yet she grabs the biggest axe, etc.), but the fact that didn't care at all before, when Leslie killed the librarian. They cheered and laughed, but when it's gotten to killing teens, they all of a sudden got scared and realized that "it's really happening". The librarian wasn't real? Or she didn't matter because she was old and funny-looking? Or the screenwriters were too lazy to work this out?

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Did he actually kill the librarian though? I know she fell down and looked like she died, but it also looked like Ahab interrupted it all :S

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He didn't kill the lybrarian

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I gave it a 4 out of 10.

It was cheap looking in all regards, and that was fine when it was in the mode of POV. But it broke from that and couldn't make up it's mind on what it was. It wasn't particularly funny, it wasn't scary. It wasn't well acted, and it wasn't that great of a concept to begin with. Don't get me all wrong here, there were some decent elements at the start. The in-jokes were ok. I think it lost plausibility when the crew saw him kill the librarian and thought nothing of it, creating the biggest plot hole EVER! Did they sign up to watch Leslie fake this? If Michael Myers is real, why actually do this project? Their situation is too outlandish to be taken seriously, so it should have went more toward comedy instead of a cheapened mixture.

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if I could believe that the film crew were sociopaths too, they could have gone all the way with the direction of the first half, and they could just eat it all up and I could deal with that. I could also deal with them thinking he was kidding up until a certain point. But to change morality all of a sudden, and to be so terribly acted, I just can't say I enjoyed their role in the film. I thought the lead was funny and deserved the chance to be a star of this franchise, but everything else doesn't fall into place. I give it a 6 for effort though. I'm sure some people can enjoy this without being bothered by the lack of believability. That may cut it for Scary Movie, but if this was supposed to be thrilling and scary, it just didn't go the distance. Better death scenes might have really helped that though, and at least having someone else play the leading lady.

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Yea it could have been better but it was still a good effort. I noticed stuff like what some of you mentioned, too. That's why I didn't care for any of the characters and wanted them to die. It was the first time in a horror movie where I wanted the virgin to die. This time I wanted everyone to die except for Leslie. They act like he's insane but they know what they're dealing with and they go there to document what he's doing anyway and only after the he kills those two dumbasses in the house does she feel all convicted about it. It's not even a flaw as far as I'm concerned because that's what it's supposed to be, I think, but it didn't make me give two craps about anyone.


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I've been thinking about this for several hours and I just can't decide if that's right. Whether or not it went downhill after they got involved.


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It was hard to for me to shift gears from the mockumentary to the traditional slasher film but I thought they did it about as well as it could be done. Like others have said, overt gore would have made the change even more jarring and IMO overt gore isn't necessary for a great horror flick. In fact, it substitutes all too often for real plotting and suspense. Still the about-face in tone was a bit hard to adjust to.

Yet, I thought there was a point to it becoming more "real." I thought stepping through that boundary made the deaths more important, more serious. It was necessary for the final girl twist, of course, but it highlighted what is so often missing in slasher films: the knowing complicity of the audience in finding entertainment in murder. We via Taylor are the voyeurs.

It made me uncomfortable. That was good.

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Just watched the movie last night. I don't know; I see your point, and understand what they were doing, but still I think I would have kept the mockumentary POV throughout.


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Interesting discussion. I might have to watch the movie again to figure out what I really think about it.

The character Angela uses the mechanics of a documentary to examine life without really being part of it (that's a theme that's been explored in a number of works in the past few years; the idea of compulsively recording events instead of living in them).

There's a paradox illustrated in "Behind the Mask" in the third act, when it switches from the documentary to cinematic: the documentary camera makes things look more "real" while at the same time distancing the viewer because it's deliberately self-conscious; whereas the cinematic scenes, even though they're clearly artificial, nevertheless are more effective at getting into the emotions of a scene.

I think the deal with Angela as a documentarian is summed up in the scene where she's talking to Eugene about "supernatural killing sprees" and he tries to explain that people like him fulfill a need by embodying Fear. The cinematic third act drives that theme home by forcing the viewer to abandon the "safety" of the documentary view and get into the scene emotionally, with Leslie transformed into Fear on two legs.

Hmm. Maybe that really does work.

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Scott Wilson -- y'know, I totally missed that connection. I knew he was familiar, but forgot he was in the movie "In Cold Blood". Great casting.

I might have to buy "Behind the Mask" now. Glad I got into this thread; I like the movie more because I understand it better.

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I'm really tired of seeing great low-budget, innovative movies like "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and "Halloween" remade in big-budget, slick productions that completely lose the qualities that made the original good in the first place.

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It just occurred to me that the switch to a cinematic (rather than documentary) POV for the third act also illustrates what Leslie offers to his victims: just as he intends to become a legendary killer, symbolizing pure Fear, he offers them the chance to become part of a legend. Angela isn't just a grad student with a camera anymore; she's the Survivor Girl, just as important in the legend as the killer himself. That works in cinematic "reality"; wouldn't work in a "documentary".

Yeah, I'm gonna have to buy this movie.

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