In the last episode, somebody told Doctor Whoke 'I thought you were a man', so she answered 'I had an upgrade'
So, what could be the next 'upgrade'? Black? Hispanic? Lesbian? Muslim?
Place your bets π
My bet is it will be something for you to get your panties in a knot over.
Bring it on.
My bet is it will be something for you to get your panties in a knot over. Bring it on.
Youβre the one who started the pointlessly facetious post. Donβt be upset if I donβt take it seriously.
shareVERY ACCURATE PREDICTION...THATS WHAT THAT IS.
shareIf it's from BBC TV it will be all of them and Dr Who will be blind and in a wheelchair.
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I bet you'll find the Doctor's used "upgrade" in reference to his/her regeneration in the past. Only now is causing manbabies to fill their drawers and the internet with shite about it.
shareIf you honestly don't think Doctor Who has become a socio-political vehicle, I'd question your critical thinking ability and I'm not trying to be insulting.
shareBut hasn't it always commented on socio-political themes?
shareIt reflects society. Dry your eyes.
It's nothing to do with the regeneration, it's the fact that the spy boss thought she was a man and she said she had an upgrade into a woman, that's what people are complaining about. And rightly so.
So it's the doctor being a woman that's the problem here. If the doctor as a woman can't say the same lines as she did when she was a man and it's suddenly causing complaints.
Does the doctor need to be careful of anything that someone might want to infer as demeaning to mean? To be "politically correct"?
"So it's the doctor being a woman that's the problem here."
NO, it's the Doctor implying that being a woman is BETTER than being a man, that's the problem I have.
She's just using language she would have used and has used when she was a man. It's the fact that she's a woman that prompting you to infer that woman is an upgrade from man. Ergo, it's the doctor being a woman you have a problem with.
Stephen Fry's character was referring to her appearance. So you're getting annoyed that the Doctor is explaining her change of appearance with her customary regeneration using language we're accustomed to hearing the doctor use in that context.
Ok pet? All better? Want a lollipop now?
No, it's the UPGRADE line I have a problem with.
You never had a problem with it in that same context when the Doctor was a man. So that can't be true.
shareWhen?
Before. In the past. Earlier, in time.
shareI do think people might be overreacting as the doctor always thinks his current regeneration is the best.
However I'm not sure it's been said in the same way before. Some think it's the show having a joke and trying to wind the people up who complained the show has became woke (hate that word).
That's a bit risky to do because you don't want to intentionally anger people and some may see it the wrong way.
It's the same in hell bent when the doctor shoots the general and causes him to regenerate into a women and she then basically says shes finally in the right body. Saying how can men cope with all that testosterone.
As pointed out if the sex was flipped e.g. a female turned into a Male and he said finally the right sex it would get slammed for being sexist.
Haters gonna hate.
shareYeah and many are over reacting but trying to get a reaction also doesn't help. It feels like the show is intentionally trying to stoke the fire. Remember rule 1 is don't feed the trolls but they are seemingly doing just that. Even my wife who is not really a doctor who fan wasn't keen when she heard the line because she felt it would be classed as sexist if it was the other way. At the time I didn't really mind it don't think it really sank in but I do hope we aren't going to get little remarks like this throughout the series
I'm not a fan of series 11 but I did like how the female doctor was introduced by a couple of mentions but basically running with it and not really bringing it up much. That was the best way, to just make it normal as I did worry they'd end up bringing it up far too much like they where hitting the audience over the head with it
I'm not being a troll but that "upgrade" line was completely unnecessary, it's basically the writers forcing their opinions on the viewers and influencing them that way, hoping to ultimately sway them. I'd almost call that propaganda.
I do think the line was wrong but I think it was purposely placed to wind people up and cause reactions. Too many people these days just sprout keywords like woke. Sometimes it's not even that there isn't some truth behind these but it's the way some people go about it.
Take for example the trailer for the new James Bond movie. People on YouTube where slamming it in the comments as woke because it had a black actress and claiming she was basically rubbish and would make the film not work, all this being based on a few seconds of a trailer. A lot of the comments where a lot ruder than what I have put many being racist. It reminded me of when we first got a trailer for season 10 with many criticising Bill's character from the trailer. For me she turned out to be a breath of fresh air. She was down to earth and real which was a great change from the bossy know it all clara.
My point is that sometimes things like diversity is wrongly forced in and there are actual conversions that can be had and probably should but these are over shadowed and lost by people going oh theres a female or a non white character its woke its SJW etc.
The James Bond new movie example is indeed another example of political narrative. The 'black woman' is actually another (more) white male character played by a black woman. A male with black boobs.
In the movies, Bond always had a tough time fighting some physically superior opponent. In the case of the new black woman, and because of biological differences, every opponent should be physically superior... and however you already know she won't have any problem kicking asses.
And what about psychology? Bond, in a nutshell, was a very British pychopath male. A black woman would be nowhere near that, she would be much more like Shaft mixed with Oprah. Of course, you know they'll just write the same old character, but casting a black woman (and then casting white males to play some idiots around). The same way the so-called "female doctor" is just a bad mix of Tennant and Mat Smith, but casting a white chick.
I don't think that is what .most seem to be complaining about though most seem to be complaining about the fact the character is black in general and how she's going to be badly acted and an attempt to try and replace bond e.g. Into a female bond. I never get all this if you have a white Male characters its not diverse you can't have a weak female as it will be saying males are better but you try and make a strong female and it's to much male like.
Also my point still stands will Bill who had people saying she was going to be crap based on her in a trailer and some.people, one In particular on here still refuses to watch. Yet she was down to earth and felt real, had flaws but also strength. One of the best companions in my.opinion
Bill was actually really great, as it turned out. One of the more charismatic companions.
shareIt reflects the woke church, which is only a part of western society.
shareDo you want Doctor Who to reflect a different culture/society from the one its made in?
Are you really so paranoid that you assume that the only reason you heard the word "upgrade" uttered was because the doctor is a woman? Jeez. Take care of yourself kid.
Why are these things not a problem when it's spoken by a woman but when spoken by a man it is suddenly sexist which is what it wuld have been called almost instantly.
Reverse the line. If you believe this is sexist then how can what she said be fine.
"I thought you were a woman".
"I've had an upgrade"
If the Doctor was a man, that would be instantly called sexist, misogynistic and the usual istaphobe words. So in that regard how can what she said be ok
Once again the hypocrisiy screams from some people.
Yeah sure. And if my grandmother had a moustache....etc.
shareTypical no argument nonsense. It is caled a hyperthetical question.
Can't answer the question because you know the answer and would contradict what your saying. So you just return with nonsense, typical SJW reply.
If the Doctor was a man and said that same line in an episode it would be called sexist by the usual twitter blue check marks.
In that respect then, why is it ok for a woman to say it.
The rules only work one way i always keep forgetting that. So just like Terry Gilliam, i now identify as a black lesbian in transistion so nothing i say can be sexist or racist.
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Do you want Doctor Who to reflect a different culture/society from the one its made in?
Yeah that's why virtually al the companions have all been English/British for nearly sixty years Neutrality.
Bloody hell.
It's a British series.
shareAnd.....
Are you seriously trying to imply that the mere existence of women and races other than whites is the "woke" part of society?
More importantly, what's the other part of society that you feel isn't being reflected?
Are you seriously trying to imply that the mere existence of women and races other than whites is the "woke" part of society?
And what is the other part of society?
shareAnd what is the other part of society?
"Non-wokes"?
Sorry. I might need to take a few days holiday from moviechat to avoid splitting my sides.
That is priceless. Hilarious. "non-wokes".
Ok, so what term do you propose for people not belonging to some specific religion, like Wokeness, Buddhism, Christianism, Islam or any other?
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Sounds like they already made their point by casting a female doctor. Everything that might possibly be construed as promoting women ahead of men seems to be so by certain people, who claim to have no problem with the doctor being female.
shareLesbian black little person biker Muslim with a speech impediment.
shareThe next doctor will be a gay black Labrador dog who thinks zhe's a cat with rabies.
shareWe've come full circle: Anti-woke/SJW commentary has now become as annoying and frequent as SJW commentary ever was.
shareToo right
shareAnti-woke/SJW commentary has now become as annoying
Like you're doing any different? All as bad as one another.
shareActually, I'm doing different. I'm not insulting you.
shareWell done for being an adult, I guess.
Maybe now stop being offended by pop culture?
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Mike Stokalsa (RedLetterMedia) invented a much better term for that behavior: 'passive progressive' π
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And this is mainly the problem - what is with all these terms. If you don't like something then fair enough but it seems people like to invent terms like woke. The problem is most people using the term, don't seem to have much to say apart from that term. Like if you dislike the doctor being a female fine, I was originally against it myself sadly. But have an interesting debate - if you just keep saying key words like woke but don't back it up with anything it starts to look like troll like behavior and any important discussion you where trying to have gets lost.
shareβ’"And this is mainly the problem - what is with all these terms. [...] people like to invent terms like woke"
Terms are necessary to name concepts. Yeap, people invent terms when language doesn't provide the necessary terms, which is often the case when we're talking about new religions or ideologies. But as long as those terms are defined with enough precision, that's correct.
β’"most people using the term, don't seem to have much to say apart from that term"
I think you can't properly tell apart between a term and a message. 'Woke' is a term, it doesn't carry any message, not anymore than saying 'Mormon', or 'Yehova's Witness', or 'Muslim', or 'Catholic', or 'Taoist' or any other religious system of beliefs. It seems that the problem here is that you start assigning some imaginary messages when you see the term. Of course, it's difficult to pay attention to what people say when you start creating imaginary messages in your head.
β’"Like if you dislike the doctor being a female fine"
And this is just a perfect example of how difficult is to pay attention to what people say when you create imaginary messages in your head. I haven't said such a thing. Indeed, I had said the opposite: I dislike this doctor not being really a female: it's just another male with boobs. The same the so-called 'diverse' characters are not really diverse, they're standard middle class white male characters played... by anything but white males (who are usually reserved to play cartoonish cucks or villains).
β’"I was originally against it myself sadly"
And however, I was originally for. It seemed (to me) quite interesting how regenerating in a female body would affect the psychology of the Doctor (biology influences behavior). That could give some good character study. Instead of it, we had another (more) male with boobs and (more) woke political/religious narrative.
Well you seem to be one of the few. Most people seem to be using this word to complain anytime media looks like they have anything that isn't white or Male. For example people have used it to complain about the new bond trailer alongside racial remarks because theres a black character and seem to be judging her and making accusations and assumption for what is only a small.ammount of coverage in a trailer.
And I feel my point still stands. Most people seem to just use the word and that's it but it. That is my point and I think people are using the word differently. What you've said above is interesting but how are people going to know when most people just say its crap and woke and that's it. That is why I mention needing proper discussions.
When people just throw words around that people are sick of hearing and seem to have different meanings for different people people just switch off. It's why I dislike the word.
This pretty much proves the original point - offended/insulted by anything and everything, just like those in direct opposition.
shareoffended/insulted by anything and everything
You feel attacked and insulted by people referring to you as anti-SJW/Woke?
Ok. Whatever.