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Is the Doctor the Doctor?


This quirky analysis encapsulates where we are with Doctor Who at the moment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hw2inY0JFk

"The Origins of the 13th Doctor Debacle: An Introduction" - the politics behind the change/s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nklgi2WCFgE




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It encapsulates all the crap that some people have brought with them to Dr Who. Period.

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Yes, Doctor Who has been a vehicle for some excesses unfortunately. The classic series offered greater nuance while not necessarily being good all the time either. The classic series often felt like it had kinship with classic literary ideas, including the scifi tropes.

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I'm talking about how the agenda of the "quirky" analysis encapsulates the crap that some fans of late take with them to the show. Entitlement. Ignorance. Hypocrisy. And judging by your latest post, utter pretentiousness.

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Yes, much to consider.... https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4eq-DwO_mw8/V1NJGg-xUtI/AAAAAAAAYR8/4V_3FIuUoekz6vv4TZqeNgqzKmaWpPshgCLcB/s640/colin%2Bbaker.jpg

Pretentiousness is a Time Lord and Doctor speciality. :P Can't stay in one's box that easily. ;)

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I'm not talking about the doctor or time lords. (there's the ignorance again)

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Thats 3 tries to insult Keith and you've just not landed a blow! 3 strikes and you're out!

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The first post was referring to the vid keith posted.

So you've miscounted. One out of two is only half bad, I suppose.

Generally speaking though. Stupid people are often the hardest to insult.

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Derrrrrrrr, thanks mister! We’re gonna be good frenz!

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So you appear to be content with less Doctor Who, and More Social Justice Who. Give her a whistle and a bike lock? Maybe a throwable explosive of some variety, and the next episode, we can see her appear in 2016, preventing the travesty that is Trump?

One sonic screwdriver attack, his face melts off to reveal the horrid green alien that came to earth decades ago and assumed high profile roles, in the long con to control the planet?

Get over yourself, it's Doctor Who, not a vehicle for every bloody protest to be made for the kiddies to swoon over. Stop swooning.

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Who's swooning? You're the one that's shitting in your knickers about it.

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Stop swooning will ya ffs.

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Both are a year old and irrelevant. Try again!

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I disagree. There is something dissatisfying about the development of the series up to the present Doctor. Now that Series 11 has arrived and we're three episodes in, we can see what kind of tone and direction they seem to be aiming for. In part it fulfills the prediction of a kind of politically correct sensibility and change for the sake of change and something of an artistically deaf/blind approach to creativity, eg. formulaic stories, cliche characters, soap opera values, etc.

That being said, I will say they seem to be trying hard to reign in the excesses of past seasons and creating a more absorbing story and cast performance.

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Jodie Whittaker responds to social media comments about her selection as Doctor Who:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAZUlmrjTTU

:D

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A bit of standard sales pitch and some honest comments from cast and producer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25V8J_GqtgQ

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Weird that...fashion statement very similar - Mork versus Doctor:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQS6eSKMz3nqreFBe0ve7NeWplbYF6U1qX-WIZyrurOed7AOJw7lQ

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You're only about six months late and behind a queue of millions making that reference.

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Bitter much?

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Seems just a bit calculating on the part of the Doctor Who (marketing) creatives.

"What can we do to create a fun image?"

"Hmm. Hey, I know. Remember that series from the seventies 'Mork and Mindy'?"

"Yeah..."

"Well, the main character Mork always dressed in colourful shirts and suspenders. It sort of reflected his wacky alien nature and difference."

"I see. So what you're saying is is that we could apply this to Whittaker's Doctor. She is a fun-loving, bit dorky alien who is naive but smart and can relate to anyone."

"And just so it doesn't look like we're copying someone else's concept, we'll dress the Doctor in a long coat just like we've been doing for several years."

"Hey listen. I wouldn't worry about fans getting their knickers in a twist over a bit of creative borrowing. Most of them weren't even born before 1980...more like 1995. They probably haven't even seen reruns of that show."

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They're trying too hard to make Jodie look like The Doctor. The problem is that The Doctor is a mix of upper-middle class British male character blended with a classical eccentric scientist trope, giving something a bit alien and typically male. You can't just cast a female and tell her 'Just overact, mimic Matt Smith and it'll be fine'.

Of course, a (realistic) female Doctor would have been a very interesting thing to explore (I hope someday it'll be done). The character of the Doctor would have morphed, since biology matters, and I'd say a likely output would be closer to Agatha Christies' Miss Marple, which is British, eccentric in a very subtle way, and brilliant.

But what we have instead is, again, another white male with boobs. At the end of the day, diversity in media is about writing middle class white males characters and casting everybody else but white males to play the role.

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Bollocks

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Well I didn't expect her to feel like the doctor but to me at least she does but does seem a bit less confidant than normal that said it is him

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Does she seem more inspired by the new generation of doctors or the classic versions? From what I seem to remember Peter Capaldi claimed to be creatively influenced by Jon Pertwee, but does Whittaker think about the stylings from the old show or is she more "I have to emulate the recent actors' contributions because that is what the younger audience expects and relates to specifically"? That is, portraying a high energy, youthful, quasi "Harry Potter" persona (- ie. analogous to the qualities of a youthful, slightly worried but highly talented wizard of magical ability and knowledge)?

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She seems like a new incarnation of the doctor as to who she is most like i haven't decided yet

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