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One plot hole that bothered me


Woody is a rare collector's item, approximately 50 years old (pre-Sputnik), he was probably the toy of Andy's mother, and maybe even Andy's grandparents. Why doesn't he remember any of that, and why would having his owner grow up be something he wasn't familiar with.

The movies establish very explicitly that the toys can have long memories and remember their previous owners.

Furthermore, given that Woody was a precious family keepsake, there was no reason why Andy couldn't or shouldn't have just kept him and given Woody to his own kids. In fact it would make sense that Woody would have always assumed he'd stay in the family. For Andy to break the tradition would be a shock, but that's not the angle they go with here.

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What is the plot hole?

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I get the impression the plot hole is that Woody should know what happens when a kid grows up... But he doesn't seem to know that judging by Toy Story 2... unless he has just chosen to forget about that.

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Woody being and old toy, should have had previous owners

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I am not totally sure about this, and I am guessing that Woody is one of the rare toys that doesn't have or even been blessed up with a good memory, like the other toys like you remember that Jessie remembered Emily, and Chuckles remembers Daisy. But you never hear Woody ever mention one of his previous owners, I guess Woody could have Andy's Mom's toy when she was growing up, and she gave Woody to Andy when he was a kid, but I don't think that it has ever been mentioned is how did Andy come to own Woody in the first place. And if you figure that Woody is a precious family keepsake well the remaining toys seemed like to be family, and if Andy had kept Woody that would be splitting up the family, plus the fact is that Andy saw how much Bonnie loved Woody when she saw him in the box, even without Andy being aware that Woody was in the box, but if Andy told Bonnie "no you can't have Woody", that would make him look like he is selfish, and I don't think Disney or Disney-PIXAR would want one of their good guy characters to be shown being selfish, unlike of course the villians. And I betting that had Andy said that to Bonnie, I am sure that would make her sad, it would be like giving candy to a baby and then taking it away.

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Maybe Woody never had a past owner?

He could easily have been a Woody Doll that never sold and was kept in a warehouse or dusty corner of a toy shop for years until Andy's mum bought him for Andy.

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No, in Toy Story 2 she specifically says he's an old family toy.

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People are lost with your post. Could you be more specific? What is the plot hole? That Woddy is an old toy so he needs to have good memory? Wait, what?

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What dab6 is saying (I think) - is that there's a scene where Stinky Pete the Prospector is explaining to Woody that when kids reach a certain age - they are no longer needed.

I guess OP is saying that Woody should have known what to expect having 'lived' through this very same scenario previous times with previous owner's (Andy's mom, grandmom, etc).

I'm not sure though - because the Stinky Pete scene I'm referring to is actually in Toy Story 2 (which I'm watching right now). But there may be a similar dialogue or scene in Toy Story 3 where Woody expresses surprise that Andy isn't going to keep playing with him forever and forever.

Just my two cents.

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What dab6 is saying (I think) - is that there's a scene where Stinky Pete the Prospector is explaining to Woody that when kids reach a certain age - they are no longer needed.

I guess OP is saying that Woody should have known what to expect having 'lived' through this very same scenario previous times with previous owner's (Andy's mom, grandmom, etc).

I'm not sure though - because the Stinky Pete scene I'm referring to is actually in Toy Story 2 (which I'm watching right now). But there may be a similar dialogue or scene in Toy Story 3 where Woody expresses surprise that Andy isn't going to keep playing with him forever and forever.

Just my two cents.

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Fan theories and speculations are fun to read when looking at little details that can support it, but the fact is there's nothing in the films that definitively places Woody as being passed down from parent to child; Andy's mom could have lied to the man in order for him to stop pestering her to sell Woody, or she could have been simply referring to the fact that it's been her son's favorite toy ever since he could remember. Another possibility is that it was a collector's item that either parent bought but was only opened when Andy wanted to play with it; regardless of how old Woody's TV show was, it's apparent that he wasn't opened until long after it ended

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The OP makes an interesting point but I think the MOST LIKELY explanation is simply that he was an old Toy that nobody ever played with until Andy. As others have mentioned, we see some Toys basically "asleep" or in some kind of suspended animation until someone plays with them. Andy's Dad could have gotten him at a young age and just tossed him aside. Only later (perhaps after Andy's Dad died); did Andy's Mom pull him out of storage and give him to Andy.

One potential hint at this (and I know I'm probably reaching here) is in Toy Story 3. Early on Woody keeps trying to convince the other Toy's that it's great to be packed up in the attack. All of the other ones are scared by this prospect but he's fine with it, saying "there are board games up there and lots of fun stuff." One might draw the conclusion that this is because he's more familiar with the attack than the other ones. That he was purchase for Andy's Dad but spent most of his life in the attic until he was given to Andy. I actually ended being given a few Toys from my parent's and uncles which had been languishing in the attic and played with them far more than my parents ever did.

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I guess that's true. I never considered this. But it's a pretty major plothole considering there is no explanation.

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Woody was Andy's dad's, it's mentioned on the Toy Story 2 commentary.
Maybe Andy's dad had him but never played with him, just had him there in his room on for show or something + Andy was the first to connect with Woody (through playing) ... Who knows ...

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That is what I think, too. Buzz didn't wake up until he was out of the box, while Stinky Pete woke up in his box watching everyone be sold. I think the toys wake up at different times when they make a connection. Woody could have been a family that didn't see a lot of action until Andy picked him up and brought him to life with his games.

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I agree with the other post, who said Woody ever had another owner? Andy could of been his only owner. Judging by what happen to Buzz, the toys seem to be inactive when they are in the box and its only when they are bought and taken home is when they start living and becoming their own unique personality. Woody could of been kept in a box for many years and been inactive until Andy started to play with him.

When the mother said it was a family keepsake I thought she was lying just to get the guy out of her face. But another thread said that the father had bought it for Andy and then the father died causing it to have a lot more meaning to Andy than all of his other toys. It was never mentioned in the movie that it was his mothers toy or his other family members toy.

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Well, Barbie is like what, 80 years old? Doesn't mean every Barbie sold in our shelves is that old. Odds are these 'copies' of Barbies in our stores are no older than a year or two.

Same thing with Woody. He was probably 'made' in the 90s. I haven't seen the films in a long time, was it even mentioned that he was an old family toy?

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This is the most logic comment I see in this thread :D
Thank you

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Woody is a rare collector's item, approximately 50 years old (pre-Sputnik), he was probably the toy of Andy's mother, and maybe even Andy's grandparents. Why doesn't he remember any of that, and why would having his owner grow up be something he wasn't familiar with.

He knew Woody wrote the note at the end. So that is why he let him go. To stay with his friends and a little girl who would play with him.

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He knew Woody wrote the note at the end.


Uhhh.... thats a new one.

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