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The philosophical elements could have saved this movie


And honestly, they do touch on this a lot in the film. The idea of this guy who can look into the future, and thus change the future. Everyone in the world would literally love to use him as a guide in their lives, and many would happily use force. Even though a terrorist attack was going to happen, and millions of people would die, I still couldn't help but sympathize with the protagonist as he's being hounded for his abilities with no regard for his own wishes or rights.

And the biggest issue was never addressed because of the stupid plot twist that they ended up using. The issue was that when the protagonist had helped them stop the attack, would they just let him go? Would they respect his rights as a human being and let him go, or would they argue for the greater good and trap him forever to exploit him for his foresight? Especially in a post-9/11 world, I think many would argue to sacrifice him if it means saving countless lives. Personally i find the idea of such a sacrifice revolting, but I can see why people would contemplate that option.

The movie basically argues that it must be done, but side-steps the really serious questions in favour of playing it safe. And that ultimately is what disappoints me about this wasted potential. It came so close at a few points that it feels worse than if it had had no chance at all.

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I'd agree, but point to the very thing you mentioned about playing it safe. Remember that movies are a business, and most companies aren't interested in taking large risks--like really examining a morality tale like that--because they don't want to alienate people who would give them money.

As for the issue of respecting his rights as a person versus basically holding him hostage forever to save lives--that's not an easy question to answer. I--have to admit I'm not sure I'd say he should be allowed to go free. The good of the many must outweigh the good of the few, after all.

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But surely, if it comes down to a person's basic rights as an individual, such a philosophy is too narrow to determine your decision? If we all stood back and said, "Yes, subject that person to enslavement because he can save lives". What happens if you're that person, and your individuality is removed in favour of your accidental skill? Would you agree that you don't matter, and you have no right as an individual to choose what kind of life you'll have?

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The question is more than one man's individual rights. The question is what about the right of a dozen other people to live? If Cris refused to help voluntarily, and his help was the deciding factor if another person or a group lived or died--are his rights worth more than theirs? Or crime--are his rights worth someone not getting robbed, not getting raped, so on and so on?

Like I'd said, it's not an easy question to answer. I'm uncomfortable with the idea of basically forcing him to help, but--I think I'd be more uncomfortable with letting people get hurt, or killed, if he wasn't forced.

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For me, I'd feel bad about not being able to save those people, but if saving their lives meant dehumanizing an individual for the rest of their days and basically having to torture them if they don't go along with what you want, that would cross a line for me. That's something I truly couldn't live with. Bad things are always going to happen in the world, and trying to stop them all is impossible. It's also wrong if it means treating certain people as sub-human, or just walking crystal balls with no say in their own use.


A compromise would be if you treated it like it was just another job in the police force or something. They would get a salary for their time and contributions, and they'd be able to support themselves and live their lives aside from that role. But taking away their choice or forcing them to live their lives solely for that task would be completely wrong (the other problem being when a government or a group of individuals use said person's powers for personal gain).

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For me, I'd feel bad about not being able to save those people, but if saving their lives meant dehumanizing an individual for the rest of their days and basically having to torture them if they don't go along with what you want, that would cross a line for me. That's something I truly couldn't live with. Bad things are always going to happen in the world, and trying to stop them all is impossible. It's also wrong if it means treating certain people as sub-human, or just walking crystal balls with no say in their own use.

Yeah, like when he tries to stop the casino robbery. Something small like that, and he's almost arrested. Then it's getting strapped to that chair for the "greater good."
A compromise would be if you treated it like it was just another job in the police force or something. They would get a salary for their time and contributions, and they'd be able to support themselves and live their lives aside from that role.
This was a concept I meant to discuss on the Heroes board before the topic died down. There'd be people complaining that the good guys aren't really heroes since they don't use their powers much to help in "normal" life.
"Why doesn't freeze lady fix the melting ice caps?"
"Shouldn't time-travel guy undo every major disaster?"
It occurred to me that this isn't responsibility... for the rest of us. This is a world where 17 gifted people put aside their own lives to fix all the world's problems solely out of the goodness of their hearts. They'd be guilted/forced into cleaning up everyone else's mess.

And another thing - how would you feel if you found out that our taxpayer money was being spent to prove the existence of psychics and then force them to help, without compensating them, I might add. How much does Moore's character earn? Are we paying for her Las Vegas trip? Maybe if she'd done some investigating work herself instead of searching for magic people, she'd have discovered the terrorists are on her own city spying on her office.

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And another thing - how would you feel if you found out that our taxpayer money was being spent to prove the existence of psychics and then force them to help, without compensating them, I might add.

Well, I'd certainly question why recruiting them--as mentioned above, regarding paying them for their services and otherwise treating it like a "job"--wasn't happening. If the answer was because they refused to help, I'd still be on the fence. I think that the weight of other human lives can't, or at least shouldn't, be set aside. If someone's life truly depended on someone like Cris who refused to help--I think that while I wouldn't be fine with it, I'd ultimately accept it because I believe in the "greater good".

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The movie "Source Code" (2011) seems the definite answer Hollywood's consensus gives to this question: even half a body is enough to keep alive, in order to exploit the brain and it's exceptional skills of a soldier "for saving lives".

I personally don't believe in that crap, since it remains nothing more than "an assumption of success". While the condemning and multi-level reduction of the individual, for which it serves as motivation, is nothing of an assumption, but a most certain fate.

This is how war, abortion, euthanasia and surgical interventions, are usually motivated - all measures of immediate, real and irreversible effect,
based on fictive, assumed, predicted and mostly highly dramatised "fixed ideas" of some authority. Who then brainwashes everyone else into that same belief.

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Everyone in the world would literally love to use him as a guide in their lives...
I enjoyed reading your post and the issue that you discuss is touched on in the relationship between Ferris and Cris. But you've got it wrong as Ferris did.

He can only see 2 minutes into the future and how that directly affects him.

For some unexplained reason he can see further into the future where it affects his relationship with Liz (thus the ending). It's not like he could necessarily assume a role as a global strategist, even if he wanted to.

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I think part if the plot is that seeing two minutes in to the future is not "THAT" great, but because he loved that girl he could see further into the future but only thins that effected him or her. Because she was involved he was able to be of more assistance than he would have with her. Two minutes could have kept him under the radar.

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