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A world without war, pain, suffering, hate, jealousy, angst or conflict


...what's the problem with this again?

"Oh but there's no passion or dancing!". To that I say "so?". There's still family and friendship, and a peaceful society.

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If you can obtain the utopia without complete control over the populace, then it is good. However, as of now, the only way to eliminate the war, pain, suffering, hate, jealousy, angst, and conflict is to have a totalitarian control over everyone's mind and eliminate free will.

But note thee was pain and suffering in the Giver world. What was the reason for their aircraft? prevention of war. They had the basics of friendship and no real family. No love, no close bonds. They killed infants with no issues. The elderly were killed with no one caring.

Bob

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I guess it raises the question of "If you don't know you don't have free will, is it a problem?". Ignorance is bliss and all that.


But note thee was pain and suffering in the Giver world. What was the reason for their aircraft? prevention of war.


Good point. I'd forgotten that part.

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They were all alive, they weren't living.
I love the usage of the word "more". Life is so much more than just school/work, meals, and bed time.

I would rather feel pain if it means I get to experience joy.

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Like most utopias, it appears to be technologically stagnant. No one can be working on new technologies because if they were they would need to understand how everything works. Without the ability to solve unforeseen problems they probably won't be able to adapt and evolve and will eventually go extinct.

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Humanity has to experience those terrible things in order to recognize and appreciate peace, health, love, admiration, and harmony.

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No attempt at utopia has ever worked, anywhere, at any time. Utopia always fails. People do not have equal potential and ability. To constrain them to a system where there is no incentive to excel or compete is futile. Add in inevitable corruption, and it will never succeed.

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