I can't help but think people would like this film less if this were such. I think what Hayley did was wrong; however, what if what I just said were true? I could see so many people pulling out the violence against women card or saying it should have been treated differently, and that's a big problem I don't even need to explain.
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Stupid people always complain when anything artistic is presented to them.
What if this question was asked one more time to make it an even 20?
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Fair enough. I took a quick glance to see if I could spot anything, but I didn't.
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Stupid people always complain when anything artistic is presented to them.
Rude.
sharea teenage boy torturing a woman who abused and killed teenage boys? it'd be just as disturbing but just as justified
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Ditto that. Child molestors/killers should die, regardless of their gender.
While I applaud Haylie's actions, and have no problem with what she did to Jeff, I would have liked to see a bit of her history... what got her to this point in her life. Not for me. I'm fine with her riding the world of two predators. But for those who think that she is just as bad as Jeff. A victim should NEVER be blamed for his/her attack, and if it were shown that Haylie (or someone she loved, maybe Donna) was a victim of Aaron's, I think she would be judged a bit less harshly.
Doubtful, you can see how the media treats female pedos to see how it's rationalized far more (especially if the females attractive). There are young boys who had sex with adults and once they become legal age they are forced to pay child support. That would never fly the other way around.
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Yup
shareNo. A teenage boy who tortures a woman whom he believes - with no evidence at all - of having abused teenage boys. The film would be banned as sexist and misogynist. This film is sexist and anti-male.
shareHome invasion, deception, torture, genital mutilation, and eventually forcing the person to commit suicide. You think that is justified - based on the mere suspicion that the person might be taking intimate photos of young people (not children). That is sick, really sick. The man was the victim here, the girl a violent psychopath.
sharedidn't even see the film, eh?
Home invasion - he invited her
deception - let's see the law that is dedicated to that
torture - it's the US, so it's only "advanced interrogation"
genital mutilation - didn't happen lil buddy
forcing the person to commit suicide - it was his choice, you could argue blackmail at best
"The man was the victim here, the girl a violent psychopath."
hmm, so the question here is are you a pedo supporter or did you not even fast forwards through the film?
forcing the person to commit suicide - it was his choice, you could argue blackmail at best
"One of the things that a lot of people overlook is that Jeff absolutely had the chance to go to the cops."
yup. that also clears the guilt question. why would he jump, if he had nothing to fear, he would not have jumped.
Are you hinting at sexism / misogyny? The film has little of either. Remember that there is no clear 'hero' or 'villain' in the movie, due to the morally grey shadings.
shareI could see so many people pulling out the violence against women card...
Violence against women is our national entertainment, so I'm not sure what you're suggesting here.
"What if the gender roles were reversed?"
then it would be a completely different film altogether. it would also be pretty absurd:
a hot, succesful mid to end 20 year old chick chats up a 14 year old dude. they meet. she takes him home. they bang each other. the dude brags about it until the day he dies.
i wouldn't watch that.
Realistically a lot of young boys who do sleep with older women end up having issues later in life (supposedly). Whether this is a result of the act or whether these types of boys are catnip to these women I'm not sure. However, you can even see it with female teachers and male teachers with boys. People would be far more outraged if a gay teacher had sex with a gay boy than a female teacher having sex with a straight boy. Even with female teachers and girls people are more accepting. The issue is people are far more threatened by male sexuality than women.
sharei can not really judge the gay part, but i guess that you are right that there would be more outrage.
the thing is that young boys since a certain age have one thing on their mind: put their packer into something ... anything. i don't know a single guy that hasn't been dreaming about nailing a hot, female teacher. if the teacher wants that as well, there is no trickery needed. she just gives in. there is no predatory behavior envolved.
with girls it's the opposite. please excuse that i borrow some of chris rock's words, but he put it perfectly, when he said that women are offered d*ck on an hourly basis since the day they turn 13 years old. there are always exceptions, but in general a young woman would not give in to a male adult teacher, if he asks if she wants to mate, unless he pretends that there is a romantic relationship involved. there is almost always a predatory element involved.
just think of this:
how come that school girl uniform is a raging fetish, yet no-one cares for school boy uniforms. know what i mean?
" The issue is people are far more threatened by male sexuality than women."
agreed, but for good reasons. man are 1000x more threatening than women. imagine what risk is involved for a women, even dating a guy.
I knew plenty of girls when I was a teenager who slept around, however girls have always been given backlash for being sluts (far more than boys) and I think a lot of the girls are traumatized by this stuff (but not boys) has to do with how society treats the act relative to boys. For example, if a little kid falls off a bike and he busts up his knee and you make a big deal out of it the kid will start to cry and freak out. You treat it like no big deal and he probably will as well. We tell girls they're traumatized by this stuff and we give boys high fives for it. I wouldn't be surprised if that makes a difference as well in how they react to it. The adult is a predator though since the teenager is less mature and easier to manipulate but realistically who's more mature at 14 a boy or girl?
Guys are definitely drawn to the school girl thing, women seem to be less visually oriented overall and when they do go for uniforms they prefer police, firefighters, etc.
True guys are more threatening, so are black guys compared to white guys (to most women). Does that mean the black guy should be more punished based on this dynamic?
"I knew plenty of girls when I was a teenager who slept around, however girls have always been given backlash for being sluts (far more than boys) and I think a lot of the girls are traumatized by this stuff (but not boys) has to do with how society treats the act relative to boys. For example, if a little kid falls off a bike and he busts up his knee and you make a big deal out of it the kid will start to cry and freak out. You treat it like no big deal and he probably will as well. We tell girls they're traumatized by this stuff and we give boys high fives for it. I wouldn't be surprised if that makes a difference as well in how they react to it. The adult is a predator though since the teenager is less mature and easier to manipulate but realistically who's more mature at 14 a boy or girl? "
while i agree on the social aspect you bring up, i think that the just sleeping around ratio is vastly different between boys and girls.
of course girls are more mature, but when it comes to an adult partner, they are just as easily manipulated and therein lies the difference: the girls needs to be tricked, but boys don't and herein lies the predatory element.
"women seem to be less visually oriented overall"
oh, i beg to differ.
"True guys are more threatening, so are black guys compared to white guys (to most women). Does that mean the black guy should be more punished based on this dynamic?"
a) that's not neccessarily true
b) no matter if it is a big man or a little man, a man's strength in 90% of all cases trumps the female one. everything else is just nitpicking. you could also pick a female wwe fighter vs a small man, there is always an exception to the rule.
I agree most guys don't need to be tricked to have sex, the real issue is the mental games that can accompany the act and the fact that if she gets pregnant he's still liable, and I'm not joking. Plenty of underage pays were forced to pay child support once they turned 18 to women who were adults when they slept together.
There was a study where they had a very attractive woman go up to random guys and ask if they wanted to have sex. Almost all the guys agreed. They repeated the study with a very attractive guy and no girls were interested. Girls do have one night stands yet not one was willing to have sex with this guy, despite his looks. Look at our porn, male porn is graphic by nature, female porn is 50 shades of gray (which is mental fantasy), plenty of things to show we're more visually oriented than women.
"I agree most guys don't need to be tricked to have sex, the real issue is the mental games that can accompany the act and the fact that if she gets pregnant he's still liable, and I'm not joking. Plenty of underage pays were forced to pay child support once they turned 18 to women who were adults when they slept together. "
i agree, but i would also say that they gap is even bigger, when a major age gap is involved.
"There was a study where they had a very attractive woman go up to random guys and ask if they wanted to have sex. Almost all the guys agreed. They repeated the study with a very attractive guy and no girls were interested. Girls do have one night stands yet not one was willing to have sex with this guy, despite his looks. Look at our porn, male porn is graphic by nature, female porn is 50 shades of gray (which is mental fantasy), plenty of things to show we're more visually oriented than women. "
well you could also interpret it in the way that i pointed out. a woman can have sex at any moment she wants, so she has more option to chose. imagine the test with a less attractive woman and a less attractive man. the gap would be even wider.
"Look at our porn, male porn is graphic by nature, female porn is 50 shades of gray (which is mental fantasy), plenty of things to show we're more visually oriented than women. ""
those are multiple aspects that don't belong together. you can not say that 50 shades of grey is a general example for female porn. most women i know that watch porn, stick with regular porn, preferably with lesbians inviolved.
50 shades claims to be about bdsm, while it is actually an oppression fantasy, with the male character being rich as well as beautiful. so, on the latter aspect, you are actually contradicting yourself.
even worse, fifty shades is the celebration of an abuse relationship, that at least at one point in the series does indeed involve a rape. i am not kidding. he deliberately ignores her screaming the safeword.
furthermore, fifty shades is unbelievably graphic. at one point he sucks on her used tampon!!!
when it comes to one night stands, women are even more picky. a usual dude will just hump someone. a girl would chose, because she can.
when it comes to relationships, i would agree, because im that cases dudes usually put looks upon everything, while for a female there are many other aspects. not always positive apects, though.
Could it be argued that the reason why this whole gender reversal thing not work in movies is because men by nature are far more inclined towards violence, sadism, physical strength and sexual misdeeds of various kind whereas mostly women are more vulnerable and more sensitive and don't commit such bad deeds to the degrees that men do/
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