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this is for the confused viewers (spoil alert)

posted 19 years ago by cygnus_libra
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first off: nobody died

the guy just became a "ghost," as in no one sees him.
while in prison, there were stages of metamorphosis, he slowly "leveled up" in a way.
by the end of his practice, he is able to complete hide in the other 180 degree of the human eyes
this ability is what the mystery of the film is about, it's saying that we will never truly see everything in this world because we will always have a blind half that changes constantly while you're not looking.

second: the scale is fixed (in the end)

they're not ghosts, there was a short scene before he comes that she fixes the scale, so it's broken. both of them did not cancel out each other's weight either, it's even mathematically impossible for her to fix it so her weight cancels out his weight - different positive and negative integers do not make 0. the strange scene is suppose to make you second guess yourself about whether they're real or not, when everything is completely real.

great film.

[–] subtle-clues 19 years ago

I thought she adjusted the scale because she knew both their weights and made it so they would add to zero, as in their weights adding up so it would equal the highest number possible on the scale. If you remember it was a disc with the numbers on it, so the disc went all the way around back to zero. He had already fixed the scale the first time he visited her house, she was just messing with it.

While I agree with your view and would rather take the story at face value, the ghost theory could be reasonably supported. To each their own I suppose.

[–] malaise 19 years ago

I agree with the first post- I think the zero is a sugestion at the falibility of our perception of reality or maybe to the wife's particular state (either she is just imagining things and their weight is zero or their love puts them in a sort of transcendence). As for the weight cancelling it doesn't make sense since early in the movie they both stand on the fixed scale and it clearly shows that his weight is 65 and hers is 45...

[–] subtle-clues 19 years ago

The weights don't "cancel out." When he first fixes the scale she sees both of their weights, then later we see her tinkering with the scale making it so that they will add up to highest number possible on the scale. The scale is a disc so when they both stand on it, it makes one rotation and lands back at zero.

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[–] subtle-clues 19 years ago

"The fact that the scale lands on zero doesn't mean a goddamn thing !"

The fact that it is the very last scene and right before the quote about our perceptions suggests otherwise. And thanks for that comment about women, I'm guessing you're a man?

I'm reading your post over and I can't tell if you're being serious or not, and if you're not I apologize for reading it that way.

[–] filmguru7 19 years ago

i agree that it is probably meant to challenge our perception of reality, but i think that there is a metaphorical meaning. whenever they stood on it separately it would point to random numbers. it was never broken, it just wasn't perfect. when they stand on the scale together, they get 0 - perfection. there's a harmony in the number zero which echoes the harmony that the two characters feel when they are together. at least, that's what the scene meant to me.

[–] redrum2323 19 years ago

this is most definitely not a "great" film. it's clever and it has an interesting idea but again, to say that it's great would be an over statement. execution, execution, execution......the story lags.....becomes boring at some points and simply stalls....

..it doesn't hold the viewer's interest because of a major character flaw - neither of them speak to proclaim their innocence......it's not possible for a viewer to hold sympathy for a protagonist if the protagonist is not trying to improve their disposition....they simply turn into an idiot and the viewer begins to lose interest.....by not speaking to the police they cause the viewer to not care....instead it is replaced by a smiling arrogance, which simply doesn't add up - neither does this power of disappearance make any sense whatsoever....it comes of out nowhere...the movie loses its focus by changing gears too abruptly.....there is no transition.....again, poor execution....

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[–] EuropeanMoviesFan 19 years ago

..it doesn't hold the viewer's interest because of a major character flaw - neither of them speak to proclaim their innocence......it's not possible for a viewer to hold sympathy for a protagonist if the protagonist is not trying to improve their disposition....they simply turn into an idiot and the viewer begins to lose interest.....by not speaking to the police they cause the viewer to not care....instead it is replaced by a smiling arrogance, which simply doesn't add up - neither does this power of disappearance make any sense whatsoever....it comes of out nowhere...the movie loses its focus by changing gears too abruptly.....there is no transition.....again, poor execution....

To "take the fifth amendment" can make a person look "guilty by suspicion",however it doesn't mean that he/she is guilty. Sometimes facts and pieces fall into place together without the need to talk or confess to the police. The smile that the accused showed was not of arrogance. He knew that he was innocent and was going to come out innocent. Finally, people can "talk" a lot without saying anything and talk very little or nothing, and say much! If you want to see a lot of people talk, I suggest you watch, "All the President's Men" and "Good night and Good luck".

[–] Lord_Beef_Jerky 19 years ago

The scale scene is all metaphorical. It says that the two people are alike, and that they'll always be together. And I agree.. none of the died.