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Was it the girl's daydream? Or is it me? (spoiler, maybe)


I left the movie sure, that what we saw was completely the day-dream of the woman. I mentioned it to my wife almost in passing - I thought this interpretation is pretty obvious - and was surprised to find she disagreed, and another friend as well. So I wonder if I am completely off or what.

My main reasons:
-- This explains why they don't speak; they don't need to since he (being imagined!) and her (imagining) trivially `know` what each other thinks...
-- While I'm not exactly an abused, frustrated housewife, I think that the best thing about the movie was to get to see this terrible life. And somehow I think that dreaming of such a cute `prince on a black motorcycle` would be very appealing to such persons. Together with a lot of guilt feelings of course, which explain why the adventure also turned bad in several ways - his random accident killing a woman by the ball, they being caught by the boxer and then by the police... And the fact that the daydream concludes by her serving her husband while `cheating` him with the invisible `hero` is very tragic...
-- This also explains many other things which are otherwise completely unrealistic, like the fact he was never caught (until with her), the fact he has this fancy motorcycle and education, his lack of sexual aggressiveness (a likely daydream for an abused wife!), and of course all the super-powers he `obtains` in prison ... of course, another explanation is that the movie is not a realistic one.

I'm not saying a movie has to be realistic. But I think the basic message of the movie, against wife-abuse, is even stronger with my (daydream) interpretation.

What do you think???

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I think it's a valid interpretation. Though I will warn you that I wouldn't be surprised if it gained you some hostility on this board, since most people here seem convinced he simply "got good at sneaking" and they don't talk because "they don't want to". I think the whole point of the movie is that it's ambiguous what the truth is, and in a way it's irrelivant.

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Actually, the day dream theory makes some sense considering how things wrap up. Still, I wonder why then the film portrays Tae Suk doing his thing before he meets Sun Hwa.
Interesting that you found the ending tragic; my initial feeling was that it was quite happy. You're right though. Realistically a truly happy ending would require Sun Hwa to be done with her monster of a husband altogether. Ah well...another ambiguous puzzle from Kim Ki-Duk. I wouldn't have it any other way.
The only thing I take issue with, herzbea, is the idea that men who don't immediately desire sex from a woman is "completely unrealistic." Sensitivity is not unhread of among all of us.
"of course, another explanation is that the movie is not a realistic one. "
Absolutely. This is certainly the case with most of the director's films. Just one example: In Address Unknown, a man commits suicide by driving his speeding motorcycle off the road and into a flat field where he lands head first in the dirt. His body is found (months or weeks?) later by his mother who must now thaw the ground with a huge fire to recover him. It seems totally implausible out of context that no one would have spotted this corpse in plain sight but, in the world of the film, it works.
If you haven't seen any other Kim Ki-Duk films, do. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter....and Spring is available fairly widely in North America (I'm assuming such is the case in other parts of 'the west' as well), as are The Isle, Bad Guy and Samaritan Girl. All excellent.

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I totally agree with the interpretation, I think it makes a perfect sense for the whole movie. I was thinking something like that too. Regarding the masturbation scene, I think it still makes sense after all, it means he does have sexual feeling for her, but he won't do anything to her unless she wants to. He has to be attracted to her in order to rescue her (maybe she's not so naive as to think he will rescue her if she does not mean anything to him), but unlike her husband, he won't force her to anything.
Still, something bothers me: I think the husband has been beaten, that's why he does not dare beat his wife anymore (he's scared to death!). But I cannot make up my mind who beat him: the wife? the prince?

But maybe that's completely irrelevant, and maybe this does not have to have a sense after all...

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When she comes back, her husband gets drunk, comes in, slaps her and she slaps him back. And he might be scared she leaves him for good.

As for the platonic love, they kiss and spend the night in the same bed...

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I think the movie sort of loses its point, and its charm, with this interpretation... but that's just me. And its not that they don't talk because they don't want to, it's because they don't have to.

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I'm not going to claim to be a professional movie critic, but I understand why some people may feel this was simply a day dream of the woman and not a "reality" of the movie. However, I respectfully disagree.

The reason why I feel this movie is not a day dream is because when a character in the movie day dreams, it is usually "one-sided." For example, a "day dream" in a movie would involve the day dreamer in some way, shape, or form, and would not go into so much complexity and detail. This prevents the viewer from being confused as to what is reality and what is not (at least this is what I've seen so far in prior movies, I can be wrong). The way I have seen directors do this is by introducing the day dreamer as the main protagonist early in movies, and have them live "in their own world" from then on.

So in 3-Iron, if this was simply a day dream, I think the director would have introduced the woman first early in the movie as the main character, make the audience aware of her current situation, and then carry out the rest of the story through her personal "day dream." Instead, you have multiple scenes of the main character's life prior to his meeting with the woman, which gave me the sense this is actually "reality" in the movie because of its detail and complexity; the woman does not come into the movie until much later.

As to the final quote in the movie, "It's hard to tell that the world we live in is either a reality or a dream," I'm not too sure what to make of it, but I understand where you're coming from for the day dream point of view.

Here's a stretch: If this was a day dream, whose day dream was it?

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It wasn't her day dream because you will remember that he has a bike and that the husband had to beep to get teh bike to move in the first place. So how can she have been daydreaming that?

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I think that it's a combination of both...dream and reality. Since it starts before she meets him I believe that it is reality based. Plus, things happen to him, after he is arrested, that she doesn't witness.

I don't think she daydreamed about her husband having him beaten by the policeman and then hitting him with golf balls. Or, maybe she does.

But, when they are together I think she daydreams about an idyllic relationship with him. She starts duplicating the things she's seen him do but maybe she is just doing the things that she imagined that he would do.

When she rearranges the pieces of her picture in the artist's place could she be saying that she is not what she seems to be? That maybe nothing we are seeing is?

I enjoyed his "Cool Hand Luke" antics while in jail. Antagonizing the jailer to the point of being beaten. And the mystical "climbing the walls" and disappearing acts that he does.

As for the ending... I think she felt that she could "live with" her husband as long as she felt the presence of this man to make her feel loved. I don't think he's there physically but, for her, he's there.

Fact or fantasy, whatever the case may be, this is a thoroughly enjoyable movie. If you liked it check out Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter and Spring from the same director.



Emperor: Tell me how he died.
Captain Algren: I will tell you...how he lived.

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Your first point is not strong enough to assume that this whole movie is just a dream because the director is well known to make movies that have minimum dialogue. It will be incorrect to assume all his 12 films are all dreams. His 12th (latest 2005) film is titled The Bow: Hwal which also has very very little speech.

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It's something that Asian directors have worked out, you don't need to fill every second of film with speech, Kim Ki-duk is only one example, try watching the dubbed and subtitled versions of Miyazaki's films, it's like watching(well listening)to two completely different films.

Personally I think the Asian way is far more natural and real.

Back to the initial query, although the film is a fantasy I don't think you can interpret it as a dream. It isn't meant to be realistic.

Cheers Trev.

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