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Pardon my ignorance, but were there really that many ships and planes when the Americans were trying to land on Iwo Jima? There looked to be massive amounts of both, and isn't D-Day the largest amphibious invasion in history?
sharePardon my ignorance, but were there really that many ships and planes when the Americans were trying to land on Iwo Jima? There looked to be massive amounts of both, and isn't D-Day the largest amphibious invasion in history?
shareD-day was the largest amphibious assault (taking place over one day; Okinawa was very much a larger amphibious assault overall, but lasted three months). However, Iwo Jima was still a massive invasion. Nimitz had 450 ships stationed off Iwo Jima that day.
Oooh, ok. Thanks.
shareHere is something to think about in these days of 300 ship navies. D-Day in Normandy was June 6 1944, over 5000 ships of all sizes were involved. Nine days later we invaded Siapan in the Pacific. According to Wikipedia; The Normandy landings were the larger amphibious landing, but the Marianas invasion fielded the larger fleet.
So Yes, we had that many ships.
FYI, don't rely upon Wikipedia for historical accuracy. I have a friend who is a professor of history and goes absolutely nuts over much of the data on Wikipedia. She refuses to allow it to be used as a reference in her classes.
"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."
As well she should for it or any other encyclopedia in any class at anything more than a primary school level - or informal chatting on a message board like this most of the time. In this case, it's good enough for our purposes rather than needing to look through primary diocume5tns or good secondary sources like Morison.
shareNormandy is only a few miles from England while Iwo Jima is thousands of miles from Hawaii so they had to pretty much take everything they needed with them.
shareWere there really that many ships at Iwo Jima? Yes.
Were they really as packed together as it was portrayed in the film? No.
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Sorry mate but thats really wrong, the japs were dug in on the island in massive under ground bunkers reinforced to withstand any amount of bombings, the only way to take the island was to send in marines and infantry to take it from them, bombing them with large battleships would get you no where, it would impossable to wipe them out like that, or why else do you think they would have not simply done it ?
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Well that last bit is very true. Now they could have also left them to wither away, due to the fact the japanese navy was by then all but sunk, but of course they wanted the island for an airbase, as this did save countless airmens lifes who before could not obviously land on there, so once they had captured it, they used it for there bombers, as it was so close to the home islands. So they had to move quite quickly to keep up there time table for the expected invasion of the home islands, but once they had seen just how desperate and brave just quite small numbers of japanese troops fought, it made them think what would some million men be able to do in there own back yard, and hence of course the need to find another method to bring the war to a close, so they tried to use massive air power to flatten there citys, and then the two nukes
But you are right that the defences above ground and near the beaches were for the most part wiped out due to the fierce naval bombardment (and the air attacks to), its just they had created a masterpiece of underground tunnels, chambers and defences, which no amount of naval bombings were going to destroy, as in most wars its down to the poor bloody infantry (and marines) to take.
First of all to the person who referred to the Japanese army as "Japs," go soak your head. My father led troops fighting their way across the islands in the South Pacific during WWII and even HE would never refer to the people or army of Japan is such a derogatory manner. You've watched too many John Wayne films.
Second of all, I've spoken at length to my father who became a communication officer in New Guinea. He fielded the messages that were coming off of ships and between islands. The Japanese were using the island to advise their homeland of our planes and ships in the area. We were planning an assault on Japan which could never have taken place if Iwo Jima had been left in Japanese hands.
"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."
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You seem to have an almost endless access to derogatory names for the differences between people. But what I find amazing is that you seem to know my father, sight unseen and without having had one discussion with him, better than me. Amazing.
FYI, what my father said or heard in the heat of battle is entirely different than the vocabulary he uses now. We are talking about now, aren't we? I certainly am. I said and I repeat, my father who fought against the Japanese army would never refer to any of the Japanese people as Japs in discussions about them now. And this board contains discussions about them now.
"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."
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It's Amazing how much bombardment they gave that tiny island (Well it looked tiny to me.) The Japanese themselves seemed to be completely *beep* yet they fought to the death...crazy stuff...
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