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All This and Gargantua 2 (Spoilers)

posted 10 years ago by wizeguy8357
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If they had been able to make that the Season V finale (which they apparently wanted to, but ran out of episodes), I'm assuming people wouldn't have been so down on it. That was awesome. So, to recap:

The Investors are dead.
Scott Hall/Zero is dead.
JJ is (likely) dead, and apparently made some sort of deal with The Investors.
General Treister is (likely) dead, and became a Hulk.
Sovereign might be dead.
Killinger is magic, and immortal.
The Guild Resistance was created, and succeeded in overthrowing the Sovereign.
There will be a new Council of 13, containing likely the two remaining members (Dr. Mrs. The Monarch and that guy who's in the shape of a virus), members of the Revenge Society (likely at least Underbheit and Phantom Limb), and others.
The Venture Compound has burned to the ground.
Gargantua 2 is destroyed.
The new Guild headquarters is on an asteroid.
Jonas Venture Sr. is still dead.
The Monarch still can't be on the Council of 13.

And from the epilogue:
The Ventures might be moving to New York?
Rusty inherits another company to run into the ground.
Mrs. Impossible (Mrs. Venture?) gets Spider Skull Island, where she and Ned will likely live.
Pirate Captain is afloat again.
This show is still awesome.

[–] phrumpster 10 years ago

It would have made a good ending for the show, but I'm glad to see there will be at least one more season.

Poets are made by fools like me, but only God can make STD.

[–] PrimeMinisterOfTheSinister 10 years ago

It doesn't look like 6 is going to be the last season, either. You don't shake thing up like that just for 8 more episodes (or whoever many they're doing).

[–] alanr4447a 10 years ago

Jonas Venture Sr. is still dead.

Could you repeat that for the hard of hearing?

[–] FCMan 10 years ago

I don't know what you're asking, but for just a second when I saw Jonas Sr. I was hopeful that maybe he was the Sovereign, even if it made no sense at all and I had no idea where it could go. It sure beats the implication that his bodyguard killed him to keep him from using the ORB that his dad had already disabled in his own lifetime. I guess the Sovereign was just using Jonas Sr.'s form to be dramatic.

[–] alanr4447a 10 years ago

I was actually just extending your phrase "..is still dead" to a reference to the first season of Saturday Night Live, nigh on 40 years ago, now!

...or it could be a veiled reference to a certain Maryland suburb of Washington, D.C., which will prove to figure significantly in upcoming revelations about the Sovereign...

Naah, it's not.

[–] PrimeMinisterOfTheSinister 10 years ago

Something else happened: Stephen Colbert returned as Prof. Incorrigible.

[–] killian_d 10 years ago

I was actually really excited when I heard his voice. Especially since years ago they said he would never return

 "It's true... I read it on Wikipedia" 

[–] poeju 10 years ago

Mrs. Impossible (Mrs. Venture?)...

In the epilogue if you look at JJ's memorial in the background it lists his accomplishments and his familial relationships. It calls him brother and Common Law Fiance. So, not Mrs. Venture.

[–] wizeguy8357 10 years ago

Probably correct, but he did own Spider Skull Island, which the Pirate Captain said in "The Silent Partners" is a sovereign state. He and Mrs. Impossible were free to set their own rules regarding marriage.

[–] SBL84 10 years ago

Monarch: The Monarch is on the Council of Thir-
Killinger: Not you.

Fantastic way to end a great special.

[–] FCMan 10 years ago

You forgot to add that Billy's mom used to be a badass, and almost admitted to Billy what it was before covering for it. The way Action Man threw her into an attack, I'd guess she was at least affiliated with Team Venture.

[–] wizeguy8357 10 years ago

I think a lot of that was covered in the Season 5 finale when Hank goes to live with the Action Man. Admittedly, they don't state as plainly as they did in this episode, but they have a flashback to when she and he were fighting together if I'm recalling this correctly. The new thing we learned is that Billy doesn't know, which is weird given his obsession with the old Rusty Venture TV show.

[–] LipSipDip 10 years ago

AND Dr. Orpheus put JJ's soul into the stuffed giraffe that TimTom and Kevin stabbed in 'The Family That Slays Together, Stays Together'

[–] FCMan 10 years ago

I think he merely reconstructed Dean's giraffe doll. A bit of comical misdirection at JJ's funeral to make us think Dr. Orpheus necromanced JJ's soul when all he did was save Dean's giraffe toy from the fire.

[–] LipSipDip 10 years ago

Aww, yeah you're right. Dammit

[–] Astrolupine 10 years ago

I'm honestly surprised by how much shakeups they pulled off in the last 6-ish minutes alone. Still, the episode certainly delivered and made up for the slight lack of payoff of Season 5 (a season that I still thoroughly enjoyed).

-I can see Rusty's new business leading to dirty great power going to his head and instantly losing his fortune by the end of the Srason 6 premiere. I kinda if he'll be using Venture Industries to develop anti-supervillian combat designs, given his vigilante costume in the teaser.

- Or better yet, he can finally finance 'Rusty Venture: The Musical' now, seeing as he'll be living near Broadway.

-Definitely believe JJ and Triester are both dead. They both got the absurd endings they wanted, and at least some characters on this show should get closure.

-Don't believe The Sovereign is dead though. He is, after all, a shapeshifter, and while I don't feel the need to learn his true identity (a mere 'nobody' is fitting enough), but you can still wrangle some material out of his motives, and possible reaction to the new Council.

-Thank goodness Killinger wasn't bumped off. He's in, like, my top 5 of the cast.

- Billy's mom is most likely an early affiliate of Team Venture, perhaps one of the first OSI agents? Who knows...

- Holy hell, a Totally Spies reference. A long-running mediocre French kids' cartoon chock full of fetish fuel gets mentioned on an Adult Swim program. Sheesh!

"DO NOT WRECK THIS GIGANTIC DOOM."

[–] MrYac 10 years ago

so did Underbite and Fat-Chance die? I will be quite disappointed if they killed off The Baron but kept the very boring and pointless Two-Face clone instead.

that aside very much enjoyed this, hated seeing JJ go though as I loved that little guy, and I know it's not in his nature to do so but I do wish Rusty was at least a little sad at the funeral. and I would've liked the Captain to have had a bit of a better farewell over the communicator as well but at least he got to give the Eulogy, sure hope he still gets to pop up from time to time even without the chairmen.

also I was pretty disappointed in Brock having an affair with a co-workers wife like that, sure we know he's always been a bit of a slut but he's supposed to be a good guy, and that's not a good guy thing to do. Killinger was awesome as usual even when the Investors spoke with those accents it never even dawned on me he could be one as well.

[–] PrimeMinisterOfTheSinister 10 years ago

so did Underbite and Fat-Chance die? I will be quite disappointed if they killed off The Baron but kept the very boring and pointless Two-Face clone instead.

No, I don't think so. I might be wrong, but I think I remember them both getting out and being in the asteroid base at the end.

[–] MrYac 10 years ago

nope, only Phantom and 2-Face came out of the chance portal at the end.

[–] PrimeMinisterOfTheSinister 10 years ago

I just rewatched the episode and you're right. We don't see the Baron or Fat Chance, however, we don't see them die, either, so they may still be around. Only part of the station blew up, so it's possible that they're still on it.

[–] wizeguy8357 10 years ago

I don't know that Brock and that woman had sex. They were there under cover, and they commandeered some couple's ship at the beginning to get access to Gargantua-2. So they needed to be staying in the same room to keep up appearances, but we never see them in bed together. Both seem to be all business during the entirety of the special, so I personally doubt there was anything inappropriate going on.

[–] MrYac 10 years ago

the implication was clearly there, Brock in his underwear and Amber naked in a messy bed that clearly looked like 2 people had been in it. just saying i'm disappointed in his decision is all.

[–] Elemenoh 10 years ago

Wait, are Headshot and Amber Gold actually married? I thought they were just dating.

[–] hrbacek84 10 years ago

Amber and headshot are dating, not married. "Bot seeking Bot" had a joke about them dating.

[–] SBL84 10 years ago

- Or better yet, he can finally finance 'Rusty Venture: The Musical' now, seeing as he'll be living near Broadway.

YES, YES, OH HELL YES!

[–] FCMan 10 years ago

I can see Rusty's new business leading to dirty great power going to his head and instantly losing his fortune by the end of the Season 6 premiere. I kinda if he'll be using Venture Industries to develop anti-supervillian combat designs, given his vigilante costume in the teaser.

Jackson and Doc have said they'd like to move away from the "world of failure" premise after these many seasons, so I'm hoping maybe this will actually go well for Rusty.

It's been said that Garguanta-2 was intended to be the season 5 finale but they didn't have enough time, so that might explain why this was so exciting and season 5's finale so underwhelming.

I'm at least 50/50 on Sovereign being dead. It's definitely in VB's nature to kill off such an important figure on a joke like that. It'd be very ironic that Sovereign died in that damned eagle form he always escapes in. Killing him allows for the new Council of 13 to form without any of the baggage of the old Council.

VB has made far more obscure references than Totally Spies!, so I'm not surprised. Though it was Sovereign-as-Gary, so maybe Gary himself isn't a fan.

I too am glad Killinger survived. I love him and it was brilliant to connect him to the Investors. It'd be nice to know what their deal with JJ was going to be though.

[–] jumbax626 10 years ago

- Billy's mom is most likely an early affiliate of Team Venture, perhaps one of the first OSI agents? Who knows...

Agent Carter knock-off?