Why are the Persians black in this movie??

It is a bad thing because ancient environment and cross culture relations are used in a completely different, modern context, and twisted beyond recognition to reflect modern political and ideological standpoints.

To quote one RT reviewer ''It would now seem that the notebook drawings of troubled teenage boys have been elevated to the status of "high art". God save us all.''

Maybe you didn't quite get me. If this movie didn't use one of the most famous battles in human history and its protagonists, nobody would come to see it - except maybe few interested in ''landmark digital filmmaking'' (is it really, though?).

(is it really, though?).

One heard quite often actually.

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that was my reply to those who love to say non-sense that early,egyptian ethiopians and no nubians do not look like central african,or west african.that's just a sneaky way to say african american should have nothing to do with east africa or north africa because they look like west and central african or southern african only.that's non-sense of course there is varied looks in all regions.African americans just like west africans etc have every right tobe interested in egypt,nubia or ethiopa since if you go back far enough the egyptians and nubians come from the same regions west africans and central africans come from.


There something i have come to realized when racist or self-hating blacks say that egyptians,nubians do not like other blacks like west,central,southern and african american ETC...

What they incorrectly are saying that egyptians,ethiopians and nubians ARE long headed,have narrow noses and are wavy or straight hair blacks,or they look white.

THEY HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF THE REAL HISTORY AND WHAT THE FOLKS REALLY LOOK LIKE AND if they do know they just ignore the facts to make some point.


The facts are upper nubians/southern nubians,most lower nubians,most early egyptians and certain ethiopians had the same features and looks like other africans like west africans,african americans,central african etc..

of course head shapes and skin vary within each group and withingroup,so there was only minor differences.just like with white europeans.

example,african american on average have central african features just like the average nubian,some ethiopians and most early egyptians.

their skin tone on average is closer to egyptians however and average head shape.

while upper/southern nubians look more like the common african in head shape.when it comes to looks african americans would have more in common with egyptians then next it will be nubians, then ethiopians if you compare the groups these four groups with each other only.

ethiopians would look the most different but even then you could find ethiopians with central african looking features. of course narrow noses or native to africa too but are not common.


these facts are so clear if folks take the time to read and look at some pictures,past and now.I WILL POST SOME MORE FACTS IN THE NEXT REPLY.






EARLY NORTH AFRICANS, EAST AFRICANS,CENTRAL AFRICANS,WEST AFRICANS AND SOUTHERN AFRICANS VARY IN LOOKS BUT MOST HAVE MORE THINGS IN COMMON,LIKE KINKY HAIR,THICK LIPS,FLAT NOSES AND MOST ARE DARK SKIN.SO THERE IS NO MAJOR DIFFERENCES.
nubians had central african HAD features just like average west african and the average central african and average south african.These groups are black and look they LOOK basically alike so stop The NON-SENSE.

THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME ORIGIN AND CONNECTED TO EACH OTHER.THEY ARE THE SAME FOLKS.


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NUBIAN TOMBS DISCOVERED
By Dr. Elena Pischikova

In 2006, our mission “South Asasif Conservation Project,” re-discovered the earliest decorated Nubian tombs built in ancient Thebes (modern Luxor) at the end of the 8th century B.C. Seen by travelers of the 19th century in an already ruined condition, the tombs completely disappeared beneath the houses of the modern village, and were forgotten by scholars and visitors to the Theban necropolis. The tombs were considered as having ceased to exist, destroyed by people and nature. As Nubian art of Dynasty 25 is not the most popular and well-researched period in modern Egyptology, the tombs were completely neglected for almost two hundred years.

We made it our mission to find the lost tombs and restore all that was still possible to rescue. It proved to be a very difficult task. Since these tombs were built they were reused as workshops, living quarters, stables, and quarries. The blocks of stone from the walls and pillars were used to build houses and fences. The courts and pillared halls were filled with livestock, the vestibules used as kitchens, and the burial chambers robbed. As a result, some of the tombs’ areas collapsed, some are devoid of their original decoration, and some painting and colorful reliefs were covered with a layer of soot so thick that they looked completely black. Houses were built right on top of the tombs and collapsed areas were used as dumps.

When we started excavating three years ago, we could not be sure we would find anything. All that was left of the largest tomb in the area was a crack in the ground. For weeks we were digging with no results. Our only discoveries were pieces of burnt bedrock with no traces of hieroglyphic inscriptions or decoration. Only fifteen feet down from the surface of the desert did we find the first inscription with the titles of a dignitary. This small fragment with original ancient carving gave us hope that there was something still left in the tomb. A week later we found the first image of the owner of the tomb, the Nubian Priest Karakhamun. The face of Karakhamun displays bold Nubian features, round head with cropped hair, round full cheeks, nose broad at the nostrils, and full protruding lips. A long neck and large elegant eyes with thin pointed cosmetic lines make his features resemble those of the Nubian pharaoh Shebitqo who ruled Egypt and Nubia at the end of the eighth and beginning of the seventh century B.C.

The rest of his figure and the whole composition were rendered in the style of the Old Kingdom (2700–2200 B.C.). Karakhamun is shown with a broad shouldered torso, narrow waist, heavily muscled legs, and bare feet, seated on a bovine-legged chair with a short back and papyrus umbel behind. The legs of the throne are resting on a double pedestal. Although a priest, he is depicted without a pelt vest, in a pleated skirt and a broad collar. The precision and elegance of the carving of the figure, bold modeling on the legs, and delicate detailed carving of the eye and ear are beautifully, balanced creating an exquisite piece of art. The offering table, offering list, and rituals performed in front of Karakhamun were clearly influenced by the art of the Old Kingdom, some two thousand years earlier.

Nubian pharaohs collected and copied Old Kingdom inscriptions, re-used Old Kingdom royal names, constructed pyramids over their burials in Nubia, and ordered decoration in the style of the Old Kingdom for their tombs and temples. The revival of the ancient forms of art, architecture, and literature in the 8th-7th century B.C. was an incomparable Renaissance period in ancient Egyptian culture. The Nubians admired and preserved the traditions of ancient art and managed to turn Egyptian civilization back to its past so it would remain “true” to its roots. Nubian pharaohs, who ruled Egypt from 750-664 B.C., brought back to life the most ancient and fundamental forms of Egyptian culture. For example, the building of monumental decorated tombs in Egypt had ceased to exist for almost four centuries since the end of the New Kingdom (2200 B.C.) but came back as part of the Nubian Renaissance. The tombs of South Asasif that we discovered are the earliest Nubian tombs built on the West bank of ancient Thebes.

The exquisite quality of relief carving found in the tomb of Karakhamun demonstrates that this Nubian tomb was one of the most beautiful in the Theban necropolis, if not in all of Egypt. The hunting dog under the chair of Karakhamun is one of the most exquisite images found in the tomb. The outlines of its elegant body are carved in sunk relief with sharpness and precision. The muzzle and chest are beautifully modeled. The muscle structure of the hind leg is shown extremely powerfully, corresponding with the treatment of Karakhamun’s legs. The elongated eye is rimmed with a long cosmetic line almost reaching the collar. The collar itself is shaped as a sash wrapped three times around the neck and knotted on the back. What gives the dog a flair of stylish elegance is its exaggeratedly long slender nose, upright pointed ears, and a long tail twisted into four coils.

By the fall of 2008 we cleared debris from the east and north sections of the First Pillared Hall of the tomb of Karakhamun and found five pillars and thousands of painted relief fragments of the tomb’s magnificent relief decoration. Our major finds include an exquisite collection of faces of Karakhamun and other Nubians of his time.

One of the most impressive faces we discovered belongs to the Nubian dignitary, the Mayor of Thebes, Karabasken. It is the head of his shawabti (faience funerary figurine), with bold portrait features. What was left of the tomb of Karabasken was used by the local villages as a “summer house,” as it is always cool in its underground chambers. With its decoration chiseled off by later inhabitants, the tomb looked like an empty shell.

Patiently removing a six-feet debris layer from the entrance area we discovered an unknown image of Karabasken. Damaged, deteriorating and flaking from the moist debris covering it, the bedrock still preserved the outlines of his figure. Karabasken wanted to be presented as a priest of the Old Kingdom seated on a lion-legged chair, barefoot and dressed in a pelt vest and a short skirt.

The sophistication and self-confidence seen in the style of Nubian images in Thebes show that they were based on a thorough knowledge and understanding of the art and culture of the Old Kingdom. The Nubian pharaohs present themselves as devoted keepers of the ancient traditions of Egyptian culture, restorers of “true” Egypt, and faithful descendants of the legendary pharaohs of the Old Kingdom.


Three years of work in the Nubian tombs of the South Asasif necropolis let us prove that they not only exist but they also contain beautiful architecture, painting and relief carving comparable with the best monuments created in ancient Egypt. They also add to our understanding of Egyptian history of the late period and the role of Nubians in creating, preserving, and resurrecting Egyptian culture.


Recovering and restoring the beauty of these extremely important tombs is tremendously hard work due to their present condition, and it will take many years and thousands of dollars to restore them. We need to finish the excavation of their vestibules, courts, pillared halls and burial chambers. Every tiny stone must be examined in search of traces of the collapsed wall decoration. What is equally important is the restoration of every found fragment, which then has to be cleaned, numbered, entered into a database, and consolidated. The next step is looking for joints. We put together large sections of walls and pillars in sand boxes on the ground, to be later reinstalled in their original locations. The walls and pillars have to be rebuilt, and thousands of carved fragments of limestone must be fixed on them. Our final goal is to fully reconstruct, photograph and publish our work, so that people can visit the tombs in Egypt, and read about them in homes and schools all over the world. Their reconstruction and publication will be a major turning point in our understanding and evaluation of Nubian art and the Nubian contributions to Egyptian history.


A project of this magnitude needs the help of those who appreciate its future impact on our interpretation of Egyptian art and culture. We are asking for help, both financial and professional. Your financial contribution does not have to be substantial. Every $10-20 will help us to buy tools and conservation materials. If many people support us it will be a project run by a community devoted to finding the roots of their civilization and preserving their history for future generations. All your donations will be tax-deductible as you will address them to our non-profit organization, IKG Cultural Circles, Inc.


Dr. Elena Pischikova

Director


South Asasif Conservation Project


To read more

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http://www.ikg-info.com/index.php?op...d=48&Itemid=84
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Facts-

[Afrocentric critic Mary Leftokwitz
says Egypt was peopled by persons from
sub-Saharan Africa:

"Recent work on skeletons and DNA
suggests that the people who settled in
the Nile valley, like all of humankind,
came from somewhere south of the
Sahara; they were not (as some
nineteenth-century scholars had
supposed) invaders from the North. See
Bruce G. Trigger, "The Rise of
Civilization in Egypt," Cambridge
History of Africa (Cambridge,

[i] "Overall, when the Egyptian crania
are evaluated in a Near Eastern (Lachish)
versus African (Kerma, Jebel Moya,
Ashanti) context) the affinity is with the
Africans. The Sudan and Palestine are
the most appropriate comparative
regions which would have 'donated'
people, along with the Sahara and
Maghreb. Archaeology validates looking
to these regions for population flow (see
Hassan 1988)... Egyptian groups showed
less overall affinity to Palestinian and
Byzantine remains than to other African
series, especially Sudanese." [/img]
S. O. Y. Keita, "Studies and Comments
on Ancient Egyptian Biological
Relationships," History in Africa 20
(1993) 129-54







Modern anthropology shows that the ancient Egyptians are well within the range of tropical Africa, contradicting older research in the 1990s that sought to deny any relationship. The anthropologist below, Nancy Lovell was recommended by Mary lefkowitz in Black Athena Revisted.
"There is now a sufficient body of evidence from modern studies of skeletal remains to indicate that the ancient Egyptians, especially southern Egyptians, exhibited physical characteristics that are within the range of variation for ancient and modern indigenous peoples of the Sahara and tropical Africa.. In general, the inhabitants of Upper Egypt and Nubia had the greatest biological affinity to people of the Sahara and more southerly areas." (Nancy C. Lovell, " Egyptians, physical anthropology of," in Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt, ed. Kathryn A. Bard and Steven Blake Shubert, ( London and New York: Routledge, 1999) pp 328-332)

The ancient Badarians were quite representative of ancient Egyptians as a whole and showed clear links with tropical Africans to the south. They have been sometimes excluded in studies of the ancient Egyptian population, which shows continuity in its history, not mass influxes of foreigners until the late periods.

Quotes:
"As a result of their facial prognathism, the Badarian sample has been described as forming a morphological cluster with Nubian, Tigrean, and other southern (or "Negroid") groups (Morant, 1935, 1937; Mukherjee et al., 1955; Nutter, 1958, Strouhal, 1971; Angel, 1972; Keita, 1990). Cranial nonmetric trait studies have found this group to be similar to other Egyptians, including much later material (Berry and Berry, 1967, 1972), but also to be significantly different from LPD material (Berry et al., 1967). Similarly, the study of dental nonmetric traits has suggested that the Badarian population is at the centroid of Egyptian dental samples (Irish, 2006), thereby suggesting similarity and hence continuity across Egyptian time periods. From the central location of the Badarian samples in Figure 2, the current study finds the Badarian to be relatively morphologically close to the centroid of all the Egyptian samples. The Badarian have been shown to exhibit
greatest morphological similarity with the temporally successive EPD (Table 5). Finally, the biological distinctiveness
of the Badarian from other Egyptian samples has also been demonstrated (Tables 6 and 7).

Egyptian Y-chromosome haplotypes show preponderance is with African clusters not Europe or the Near East
Haplogroup E3A and E3B represent more than 70% of the Y-chromosones on the African continent, with varying proportions found in different parts of the continent. In some African populations for example, E3B exceeds 80%. Migrations out of Africa, are responsible for the spread of E3b to Europe. Non-Africans thus acquired a sub-set f African genes through this migration.



"In Europe, the overall frequency pattern of haplogroup E-M78 does not support the hypothesis of a uniform spread of people from a single parental Near Eastern population... The Y chromosome specific biallelic marker DYS271 defines the most common haplogroup (E3a) currently found in sub-Saharan Africa. A sister clade, E3b (E-M215), is rare in sub-Saharan Africa, but very common in northern and eastern Africa. On the whole, these two clades represent more than 70% of the Y chromosomes of the African continent. A third clade belonging to E3 (E3c or E-M329) has been recently reported to be present only in eastern Africa, at low frequencies.. The new topology of the E3 haplogroup is suggestive of a relatively recent eastern African origin for the majority of the chromosomes presently found in sub-Saharan Africa."

"In conclusion, we detected the signatures of several distinct processes of migration and/or recurrent gene flow associated with the dispersal of haplogroup E3b lineages. Early events involved the dispersal of E-M78d chromosomes from eastern Africa into and out of Africa, as well as the introduction of the E-M34 subclade into Africa from the Near East. Later events involved short-range migrations within Africa (E-M78? and E-V6) and from northern Africa into Europe (E-M81 and E-M78ß), as well as an important range expansion from the Balkans to western and southern-central Europe (E-M78a). This latter expansion was the main contributor to the present distribution of E3b chromosomes in Europe."
"E1 is the predominant subclade, while E2 is much less frequent. Within E1, E1b1 (defined by SNP P2) is the most abundant and widespread representative, and accounts for most of Haplogroup E worldwide. E1b1 lineages vary in abundance over Africa and three main regions are evident from the distribution peaks of three subclades: E1b1a (SNP M2) in Sub-Saharan Africa, E1b1b1a (SNP M78) in East Africa and E1b1b1b (SNP M81) in Northwest Africa. The difference in geographic location of Haplogroup E subclades also aligns with distinct language groups supporting the idea that there is prevailing father to son transmission of language in Africa. "