I'm not saying it wouldn't happen your way - but it could easily happen the other way as well. First, Queenan didn't even know Delahunt was a cop - so it's not like they could "team up" that quickly. What is Delahunt going to do - yell he's a cop to Queenan - it would be suicide - especially since he wasn't sure he was going to be killed. They didn't care about Queenan - they cared about the rat and killing Queenan means they aren't going to get the answer from him anymore.
That would be like breaching a door of an armed barricaded suspect only to find your #2 guy did not follow you into the home...It would never happen.
Not even close to being the same. If Delahunt felt they were not going to kill him - as killing him would not do anything for their goal - he could have been buying time - thinking of plan B - possibly leaving the room to phone for back up - etc. Like I said - your scenario isn't wrong - but it isn't the only option a cop would have.
Like I wrote in previous posts - I have never heard of a police department declare a known gangster was a cop when they knew he wasn't. They would have to have an elaborate funeral with officers from all over the country coming to pay respect. They would have to make big production with people helping who are thinking they are helping a cop - because without that - what's the point - everyone would know he wasn't a cop. It would be the same production they had for Billy. Now if you want to chalk that up to artistic license - then you can same for Delahunt with the Queenan death.
I also felt (this is just a gut feeling) that Delahunt was found so quickly because Billy told them where he was because he didn't want a cop to out there buried in a swamp. Fitzy knows how to get people buried - why/how was he found so quickly?
I think we are at a point of agreeing to disagree. You some great points and it's an interesting discussion. Perhaps that is the point - to make it ambiguous.
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law607
8 years ago
hey would have to have an elaborate funeral with officers from all over the country coming to pay respect.
They showed Billy's funeral with his academy photo, why didn't they show Delahunts funeral?
Why didn't Delahunt have a funeral with honors? Why did they show a mug shot photo on the news and not a photo from the academy or a photo in a suit?
[quote]Not even close to being the same. If Delahunt felt they were not going to kill him - as killing him would not do anything for their goal - he could have been buying time - thinking of plan B - possibly leaving the room to phone for back up -
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Where do you get your knowledge from? How many years have you been on the job? How many operations?
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hero-de-celluloid
8 years ago
Why didn't Delahunt have a funeral with honors? Why did they show a mug shot photo on the news and not a photo from the academy or a photo in a suit?
What makes you think they didn't have a funeral with honors for Delahunt? It could have happened a week after he was found.
They don't always show a academny photo - remember these were two different departments - the family could have chosen which photo to use. He was obviously UC for a while (if he was a cop) and his academy photo might not have look that close to him at his time of death. Unfortunately officers have died in my jurisdiction (too many obviously) - and they don't always have acadamy photos - they usually have do have a police photo (more up to date) but if he was undercover for so long - he might not have one.
As far as my knowledge - I don't get specific - sorry to cop out (no pun) - but it is just something I don't do - so I understand if you don't give that much credance.
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law607
8 years ago
They don't always show a academny photo - remember these were two different departments - the family could have chosen which photo to use.
I seriously doubt the family would choose a mug shot photo over a photo of him in his uniform or his suit...really?
When an operation begins, a photo is taken of the officer either in uniform or in a suit. That photo is later used in court proceedings to show what the officer actually looks like versus his/her undercover counter part. This is standard protocol for UC operations.
and they don't always have acadamy photos
Again really? I worked in a med sized department of 750-780 depending on if there was a academy in session. I could go back to the 1900s and find photos of graduating police academies. Are you telling me that Boston PD doesn't have photos of graduating academy classes or photos of officers engaging in undercover operations?
As far as my knowledge - I don't get specific - sorry to cop out (no pun) - but it is just something I don't do - so I understand if you don't give that much credance.
I understand, but can you tell me if you have ANY inside law enforcement knowledge whatsoever? Any?
Never mind...I believe that if you actually had any real knowledge of law enforcement, we would not be having this conversation.
My mistake for engaging.
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hero-de-celluloid
8 years ago
In my jurisdiction - they never use academy photos - they use ID photos - which are more up to date and use the police uniform - not the academy uniform. They do NOT have academy photos - they keep the latest ID photo. So each department is different.
As far as how much time I have - does it matter - if you have any police instinct in you - you would know it wouldn't matter what I type. I could type anything - but I have over twenty - lets keep it at that.
So since you have this abundance of time on the job - tell me one instance when a department - yours or any other - that declared publicly to the press that a known criminal was a cop who died in the line of duty - when they knew he was a *hit head gangster.
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law607
8 years ago
So since you have this abundance of time on the job - tell me one instance when a department - yours or any other - that declared publicly to the press that a known criminal was a cop who died in the line of duty - when they knew he was a *hit head gangster
I am not sure that has ever happened.
Can you tell me one instance when a department - yours or any other lost an officer in the line of duty and instead of showing an academy photo, ID photo or a suit photo, they instead showed a mug shot photo?
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hero-de-celluloid
8 years ago
Can you tell me one instance when a department - yours or any other lost an officer in the line of duty and instead of showing an academy photo, ID photo or a suit photo, they instead showed a mug shot photo?
The police don't determine what the press uses. Here - the news has used photos that the police would rather not have been used (not necessarily on purpose). They use the typical choir boy photos for the drug dealer - and sometimes the not so flattering photo for the cops. *I do agree that I have never seen them use a mug shot - but like other times - the police could have had a press conference - displayed all his photos - including his UC photo - and the press use which ever one they like best or is up to date (doubt he's going into the police station to update his ID card every couple years).
His mug shot - actually - is a good photo of him. He's wearing a collared shirt, he's clean shaven - well groomed - you wouldn't know that was a mug shot. It could have been a passport photo. There were no numbers, no side view - just a good photo of him. In fact - his ID photo could have looked almost the same. If he was patrol he would have had a police shirt with collar brass - but since he was a detective - a collared shirt would have been ok in many places.
My point is (which I wrote before) that there is evidence to point both ways.
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law607
8 years ago
Where do you get your knowledge from? How many years have you been on the job? How many operations?
Just re-read this and it makes me come off sounding like a d!ck.
Just curious if you are on the job and how many years? I'm 30 years retired.
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