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tell me why i didnt tell no one.........


why didnt the guy who died in dicaprios arms not tell anyone he gave him the wrong address so he knew he was the rat??????

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because even he was an undercover agent.

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What I don't get is why would he not want Billy to come? It's not like he was "protecting" him per se (at this point he didn't know Billy was undercover right..), if he had gone to the correct building he would have theoretically just partaken/witnessed Queenan's murder.

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It wasn't intentional. Delahunt confessed that he "made a mistake" by giving Bill the wrong address.

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He didn't tell anyone because he knew he was going to die and people make different decisions when they are about to face God and eternity. He was working for a mass murderer. Maybe he wanted Costello to go down and maybe he wanted Billy to succeed. I thnk if I had been in his place I would've done the same thing.

He wasn't an undercover cop. Costello said 'the cops are saying he's a cop, so I won't look for the cop'. the picture that the media used in the tv report was his mugshot that they showed at the beginning of the film. He wasn't a cop!


EVERYTHING WAS BEAUTIFUL AND NOTHING HURT.

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i didnt think he was uncover but wasnt sure why he kept his mouth shut about decaprio,thanks for the feedback fellas.

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That's one of the little touches I love about this movie (that were missing from Infernal Affairs). The story was so much more complex than basic premise. Like how there were two moles on each side (that we know of, who's to say there weren't more?). Like how Costello fooled both sides by being an informant.

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Yes. Delahunt was definitely a cop. When Frank going crazy to find the rat, Delahunt thinks he could get caught. So he wanted to frame someone as rat to stop Frank to search the rat. When dying Delahunt called Billy and telling him "You know what I thought today? Who didn't show up today is the rat.". This make sense that he wanted to frame Billy as rat not knowing Billy was on under cover too. So he deliberately set Billy up as rat by giving wrong address (otherwise he wouldn't recall as he gave wrong address considering the intense situation). When he see Billy at the right place, he become aware that Billy is the one meeting Queenan. In the view of facing god & eternity, it cannot be taken since Delahunt had enough time to act before get shot. Billy also finds Delahunt as under cover cop when Delahunt asking Billy as "Tell me why I didn't tell nobody, huh?". Then Billy tip off the police where the body of Delahunt was dumped in the marsh. Billy wanted Delahunt to get the respect he deserves.

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That works for me.

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well done

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I've read arguments on both sides of this question. First off, if you watch the Scorsese interview about the idea of whether Delahunt is a copy, Scorsese seems deliberately coy about it: he doesn't reject the idea, nor does he confirm it. It is intentionally ambiguous, because for purposes of the main storyline it does not particularly matter.

All of that said, I side with you on this. Delahunt was a cop. You have made the best arguments for it, especially in pointing out that Delahunt tried to send Billy to the wrong address specifically so that Costello would think Billy was the rat. When Delahunt says, "Tell me why I didn't tell no one...," it isn't just because Delahunt wanted a proper burial and was seeking a quid pro quo with Billy to keep his secret if Billy could ensure that posthumous favor. Delahunt "didn't tell no one" because Delahunt tried to frame Billy as the rat, his plan failed, and when he discovered Billy WAS a cop because Billy went to the right address despite being given the wrong one, he didn't want Billy (a good guy) to be found out. When Delahunt says, "I made a mistake," he averts his eyes, a common sign someone is lying; it was not a mistake by any means, but Delahunt was ashamed to admit he had tried to set Billy up.

Several things cut against the argument that he couldn't be a cop because he would never kill Queenan. First, we have no idea who actually throws Queenan off the roof. There were several of Costello's guys in the building, and out of all of them Delahunt is least likely to participate in the killing of Queenan, given what we learn from the deleted scene where Delahunt professes to never having killed anyone in more than 10 years working for Costello. Second, Queenan wasn't Boston PD, so it is a stretch to conclude that Delahunt would suddenly blow his own cover over the threat to kill a guy who wasn't his own superior officer. Third, we don't know that Delahunt knew the other Costello guys were going to kill Queenan, and by the time they took that action there was little Delahunt physically could do to stop them given that they outnumbered him.

Also, the argument that the authorities were just pretending Delahunt was undercover BPD to throw Costello off the track about the "real" rat doesn't fly, because in reality police agencies do not EVER claim dead people were undercover agents for them - it makes them look ridiculous and leads to public scrutiny and outrage, not to mention liability.

For all of these reasons, I am in the "Delahunt was a cop" camp.

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Delahunt tried to send Billy to the wrong address specifically so that Costello would think Billy was the rat. When Delahunt says, "Tell me why I didn't tell no one...," it isn't just because Delahunt wanted a proper burial and was seeking a quid pro quo with Billy to keep his secret if Billy could ensure that posthumous favor. Delahunt "didn't tell no one" because Delahunt tried to frame Billy as the rat, his plan failed, and when he discovered Billy WAS a cop because Billy went to the right address despite being given the wrong one, he didn't want Billy (a good guy) to be found out. When Delahunt says, "I made a mistake," he averts his eyes, a common sign someone is lying; it was not a mistake by any means, but Delahunt was ashamed to admit he had tried to set Billy up.

How would that convince Costello of anything? Costello wasn't there and had no idea what was going on. Delahunt did have the makings of a great plan, though. If he had told his guys in the van that he was going to send everyone else in Costello's crew to the wrong address on purpose, then whoever is the rat will be there at the right address and the real criminals will be at the wrong address wondering what the hell is going on. However, when Fitzy spots Bill and is only pissed off that Bill was late, we are shown that not only was this not a plan that was discussed, but Fitzy wasn't even paying attention when Delahunt sent him to the wrong address. Also, this "plan" was a great idea for weeding out the guy who actually is the rat, it does nothing to frame any of the real criminals as the rat. Why would Delahunt the cop want to endanger the rat? This is rhetorical question that is answered by the fact that Delahunt was a criminal, he accidentally sent Bill to the wrong address, and even more accidentally discovered Bill was the rat when he was at the right address anyway.

First, we have no idea who actually throws Queenan off the roof.

Does it matter? Delahunt disarmed Queenan, making him an accessory to the murder.

given what we learn from the deleted scene where Delahunt professes to never having killed anyone in more than 10 years working for Costello.

In Delahunt's mind he didn't murder Queenan because he wasn't the one who actually threw him off the roof. Doesn't make it true. We see Delahunt act as an accessory to murder, clear as daylight. This is even more to the point that Delahunt couldn't have been a cop because a cop would know the law better than that.

Second, Queenan wasn't Boston PD, so it is a stretch to conclude that Delahunt would suddenly blow his own cover over the threat to kill a guy who wasn't his own superior officer.

Yes it is. Queenan is a state police captain. He's one of the good guys. Undercover cops, or any cop for that matter, have a responsibility to protect any life that is in danger, much less someone as important to the investigation as Queenan. Delahunt's superior at Boston PD would not look too kindly on his actions in that scene.

Third, we don't know that Delahunt knew the other Costello guys were going to kill Queenan

In a later scene Costello tells Sullivan "one of us had to die, with me it tends to be the other guy." You really think that Delahunt thought they were just going to kill the rat and let Queenan kneel over his dead body, in a role reversal of what actually happened? They were there to kill the rat and anybody associated with him.

and by the time they took that action there was little Delahunt physically could do to stop them given that they outnumbered him.

So Delahunt felt so helpless in that whole thing that he decided the best thing to do in that situation was to disarm Queenan, thereby making it even easier for the other guys to drag him to his death? If Delahunt was a cop before he certainly wasn't one after that display.

in reality police agencies do not EVER claim dead people were undercover agents for them - it makes them look ridiculous and leads to public scrutiny and outrage, not to mention liability.

by Vladimir_Horowitz » Fri Feb 24 2012 12:59:31
I already addressed this with someone else. First of all, the Boston P.D. didn't announce that he was undercover. That was a local news station. Who knows where they got their information.


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In Delahunt's mind he didn't murder Queenan because he wasn't the one who actually threw him off the roof. Doesn't make it true. We see Delahunt act as an accessory to murder, clear as daylight. This is even more to the point that Delahunt couldn't have been a cop because a cop would know the law better than that.


Taking his gun does not mean he was involved in the murder. As an undercover - he could have thought disarming him would have prevented a shoot out and getting the captain killed. He could have taken the gun to diffuse the situation. He could have then left the room to look for Costigan (which was their prime objective) and then unknowingly to him - the others threw the captain off the roof. Even Fitzy says they went too far - so that could imply that they had no intentions on killing the captain.

He could have felt if he broke cover - the both of them would be surely dead - so he played the best way he could by preventing a shoot out and unfortunately Fitzy and the gang took it "too far" and threw him off the roof.

I already addressed this with someone else. First of all, the Boston P.D. didn't announce that he was undercover. That was a local news station. Who knows where they got their information.


The news report says the PD confirmed he was an undercover. I'm going to have to call BS as a police department (or even a news agency) wouldn't proclaim someone as an undercover after his death when they knew he wasn't. Local news agencies wouldn't go on their own and announce it. So more to the point - the police would NOT confirm he was an undercover when they knew he was not. Plain and simple - just doesn't happen. The liability alone would prevent them from doing it.

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Taking his gun does not mean he was involved in the murder.

He took away Queenan's only means of protecting himself and was quite enthusiastic about it, so yes he was involved whether he was fully aware of the group's intentions or not, and whether he helped throw him off the building or was looking for Costigan as you claim was a possibility. BTW if he really was looking for Costigan than add that to the existing evidence that Delahunt wasn't a cop, for obvious reasons.

As an undercover - he could have thought disarming him would have prevented a shoot out and getting the captain killed. He could have taken the gun to diffuse the situation.

Let's say for argument's sake that Queenan never had a gun in the first place. What exactly do you think that Delahunt thought the other guys were going to do to Queenan if not kill him? Did he think that they were going to drag Queenan into a corner and play 20 questions with him to figure out where Costigan went? Although we are not exposed to their entire plan prior to getting to the building, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that while their primary objective was to kill the rat, in the event that he escaped the next best thing was to sever his ties to the police. If Delahunt really was a UC and really was thinking "this guy Queenan is either going to be killed or roughed up really good, let me take away his gun so that he has no way of fighting back and maybe taking a few guys down with him", then that was the most horrendous judgment call in the history of undercover work and one that he had no right to make in the presence of a state police captain.

Even Fitzy says they went too far - so that could imply that they had no intentions on killing the captain.

That's how he felt after the fact. That says nothing about what their intentions were before the fact.

He could have felt if he broke cover - the both of them would be surely dead

How sure are you of that? Delahunt had a gun. Queenan had a gun. We don't see any other guys draw guns.

I'm going to have to call BS as a police department (or even a news agency) wouldn't proclaim someone as an undercover after his death when they knew he wasn't. Local news agencies wouldn't go on their own and announce it.

Nobody is saying the news agency went on their own. The police department went to the agency and asked if they would lie about Delahunt being a cop and lie about the police confirming it. The police department didn't proclaim anything either, we don't see any clips of the BPD captain saying "yes we are very saddened over the loss of officer Delahunt, he was a fine officer..." etc.

The liability alone would prevent them from doing it.

Liability from who? Costello? The previous poster (redmond-creative) said something about "public scrutiny and outrage." Me personally, if I saw a news story about a mobster who was killed and the reporter lied about him being a UC as an attempt to keep the real UC alive, I would be all for it. Anyone in the public who would be outraged over this tactic should probably find something better to do with their lives than have their panties in a bunch over something they saw on the news that was false. But if this really is a no-no then we can say that in the universe that The Departed exists in, the people of Boston don't have a problem with this. Far less believable things have happened in movies.

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BTW if he really was looking for Costigan than add that to the existing evidence that Delahunt wasn't a cop, for obvious reasons.


Why - he was undercover and doing what he was supposed to do.

it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that while their primary objective was to kill the rat


Fitzy said they went to far. Why would he say that? If there intentions were to kill him - then they obviouisly didn't go to far. If they didn't intend to kill him - then they went too far. The Captain wasn't the rat - Costigan was.

How sure are you of that? Delahunt had a gun. Queenan had a gun. We don't see any other guys draw guns.


Ok - I'll give you that one - maybe not surely - but he could have just been playing it safe and trying not to get into a gun battle.

The police department went to the agency and asked if they would lie about Delahunt being a cop and lie about the police confirming it.


Ok - some of your theories are not bad - I might not agree with them - but I can understand them. This one is just out there. No agency would do this. The liability would be astronomical. People (even strangers) would want to go to his funeral, which would be a huge production with agencies from around the country going. Family, friends, co-workers, strangers, etc - would want to go to pay their respects. Also - this gangster was just labeled a rat and now his friends, family, certain gang members are going to have a target on their back for being associated with this rat. People could get killed because they intentionally called this gangster a cop. Now you can say they wouldn't care if one of his family members gets killed etc - but that's not how it works. He could have a brother who isn't involved but might be made example of. It just doesn't happen. You can say it happens or want it to happen - but that just doesn't make it so.

If your angle is that it doesn't happen in real life but it does in this film - I can't argue with that - you can say that about any far-fetched idea.



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Why - he was undercover and doing what he was supposed to do.

An undercover is supposed to be bringing down the mob and protecting the lives of other cops, not the other way around. Not sure if you saw 21 Jump Street, but Johnny Depp's character was forced to break his cover because he was thrust into a very similar situation where he couldn't keep it any longer. A true undercover would never even stand there idle and watch what the other guys were doing to Queenan, much less be the first one in Queenan's face and take his gun out of his holster.

Fitzy said they went to far. Why would he say that? If there intentions were to kill him - then they obviouisly didn't go to far. If they didn't intend to kill him - then they went too far. The Captain wasn't the rat - Costigan was.

He would say that because Queenan was 6 feet under while Fitzy was sitting on a barstool calmly enjoying his drink. There are plenty of reasons why Fitzy could have re-evaluated their actions and concluded that they went too far other than it not being their intention at the start. Maybe he thought about how they should have made more of an effort to get information on the rat out of Queenan (ie beating it out of him, taking him hostage, etc.) instead of just disposing of him the way they did. Maybe he thought about how they still don't know who the rat is and their job is now much more difficult because, as Sullivan said, they "killed the guy who had all the information." Maybe he thought about how Queenan's son at Notre Dame is now without a father. Maybe he thought about how horrid it is to take another human being's life, even if that human being is trying to put all of them behind bars. All of these thoughts could have occurred to Fitzy after the fact even if their initial intention was to kill him.

Ok - I'll give you that one - maybe not surely - but he could have just been playing it safe and trying not to get into a gun battle.

I've never been undercover but I imagine that most if not all UC's are forewarned by their captains that a shootout might be inevitable, and I once again refer to my 21 Jump Street example. If Delahunt was that averse to a shootout then the Boston PD should have considered someone else for the job. Of course nobody wants to get into a shootout but a UC has to accept the fact that it may come to that, and it definitely did get to that point at 344 Washington St.

People (even strangers) would want to go to his funeral, which would be a huge production with agencies from around the country going. Family, friends, co-workers, strangers, etc - would want to go to pay their respects. Also - this gangster was just labeled a rat and now his friends, family, certain gang members are going to have a target on their back for being associated with this rat. People could get killed because they intentionally called this gangster a cop.

Not going to lie, THIS made me think. You're absolutely right, for all the reasons you mentioned above this wouldn't happen in real life. Therefore, admittedly I am resorting to the "suspension of disbelief" argument on this one. I will say that as unrealistic as it is that the news would lie about a criminal being an undercover cop, it's equally as unrealistic that the news would say that Delahunt was undercover without showing a picture of him in his police uniform. So from that perspective, I might be inclined to declare the news story part of the "cop/not a cop" argument a draw. However, I still feel the scale tips slightly towards "not a cop" in this scene too because of how quickly Costello was able to figure out that "the cops are saying he's a cop so I won't look for the cop" and be correct about it. That makes me believe that in the world that The Departed takes place in, this is a commonplace tactic and the liability issues you discussed either don't occur or are looked at with apathy by the news and the police because the news and the police aren't held responsible if they do.

You're definitely on to something with your liability arguments. However, Delahunt's role in Queenan's murder does far more to discredit the argument for him being a cop than the news story does to support it.







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Fair argument - guess we are at a point to agree to disagree. As I have said before (maybe not on this post) - I don't think it is definative either way. Even the director felt it could have went both ways. Some days I think cop and some not - maybe that was the game plan.

As far as the photo - if he was as deep undercover as Costigan was - they might not have a photo of him - and if they did it could be pretty old. If he was deep undercover as Costigan they could have erased everything from the system (including photos) in case Costello had someone on the PD looking to find the rat as he did with Billy.

Good discussion with no name calling.

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As far as the photo - if he was as deep undercover as Costigan was - they might not have a photo of him - and if they did it could be pretty old.

If a news station is going to make a claim as jarring as that the deceased criminal was actually a cop, then they need to provide some evidence or don't make the claim at all. Any photo of Delahunt in uniform would have sufficed no matter how old.

If he was deep undercover as Costigan they could have erased everything from the system (including photos) in case Costello had someone on the PD looking to find the rat as he did with Billy.

The BPD captain could have done exactly what SIU did: erase everything from the main system and keep all his info in a separate database that others in the PD who have not yet fully gained the Captain's trust don't have access to.

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If a news station is going to make a claim as jarring as that the deceased criminal was actually a cop, then they need to provide some evidence or don't make the claim at all.


The police confirmed it. They didn't display any info that wasn't confirmed by the police. They don't need to verify anything else since the cops already confirmed it. Simply put - they found out undercover cop was killed (the press do find things out) and the police officially confirm it - they announce the news - all status quo.


The photo of Delahunt wasn't a bad photo. It could have been a passbook photo (in comparison). Maybe the press thought it was a good photo (which it was). You couldn't tell that was a mug shot just by looking at it. He had a collared shirt, clean shaven, looked nice, no numbers, not a profile, etc. Why use a years old picture when you have a better one. This was also the next day - his confidential photos might not be readily available. Maybe they were going to get photo but jumped the gun.

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The police confirmed it. They didn't display any info that wasn't confirmed by the police. They don't need to verify anything else since the cops already confirmed it. Simply put - they found out undercover cop was killed (the press do find things out) and the police officially confirm it - they announce the news - all status quo.

The news stating that the police confirmed it does not mean that the police confirmed it. That's hearsay. There's no photo given of Delahunt in uniform. There's no clip of the BPD captain telling the media "yes he was a police officer who was undercover with Costello for 10 years." And why don't we see any of these things? Simple: Because he wasn't a cop.

The photo of Delahunt wasn't a bad photo. It could have been a passbook photo (in comparison). Maybe the press thought it was a good photo (which it was). You couldn't tell that was a mug shot just by looking at it. He had a collared shirt, clean shaven, looked nice, no numbers, not a profile, etc. Why use a years old picture when you have a better one.

Yes, it was a mighty fine photo. And you're right, it wasn't a mugshot. But it wasn't a police photo either. When you're a news station and you're making a story that the dead body discovered in the marshes was an undercover officer, there is no better photo than one of him in uniform no matter how old it is.

This was also the next day - his confidential photos might not be readily available. Maybe they were going to get photo but jumped the gun.

In the time it took them to send the news that photo of him at a Christmas party or whatever that was, they could have sent the police photo without any greater hassle. It's as simple as getting the key to the confidential files, unlocking it, and pulling out the photo. Or, typing the password to the database and emailing the photo to the news station. 5 minutes tops.

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The news stating that the police confirmed it does not mean that the police confirmed it.


Now your pushing it. Since when would a news report state that the police confirmed it when they didn't. That's absurd. Once again - think of the liability - they would be at risk of lawsuit after lawsuit if anyone got murdered/assaulted due to this false information. I don't know of any news report that would state that police confirmed something when they didn't (especially something as big as a cop being undercover in a gang).

When you're a news station and you're making a story that the dead body discovered in the marshes was an undercover officer, there is no better photo than one of him in uniform no matter how old it is.



It took me about minute to google murdered police officer photos that showed them not in uniform. Yes, they were murdered and the photo the news used was not a photo in uniform. That happens - they do not state police confirmed something when they didn't. I'm not saying Delahunt's wasn't a mug - it was just a very good photo - similar to the ones in the below links - and nobody would suspect it was a mug photo especially since there were no numbers and no profile photo.

These were the first two when googled (only a couple months ago), but there were many many more.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/san-diego-police-shooting-one-officer-killed-one-surgery-n619571

http://ktla.com/2016/10/08/3-officers-shot-in-palm-springs-1-in-critical-condition-manhunt-underway/

In the two examples - it clearly states the photo was supplied by the police department and they clearly are not in uniform. These two departments are big, especially San Diego. It was a photo just like the one they used for Delahunt. I put them side by side and there were virtually same as far as how they were done. No smile, collared shirt, not buttoned all the way, short hair, etc. There is no denying that the news don't always use uniform photos - I can't demonstrate it any clearer than that.

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Since when would a news report state that the police confirmed it when they didn't.

The police confirmed with the news that they were okay with this disinformation being leaked. That's different from the police giving the news cold hard evidence to confirm whether or not he really was undercover, which we can clearly see they didn't do.

they would be at risk of lawsuit after lawsuit if anyone got murdered/assaulted due to this false information.

Maybe they were an inexperienced upstart news program and weren't aware of all the risks. Maybe they didn't care about the risks because they had hotshot lawyers on the payroll who would clear them of any charges. Maybe they knew Costello would either figure out that "the cops are saying he's a cop so I won't look for the cop" or wouldn't bother going after Delahunt's friends and family because his drug shipments were more important.

I don't know of any news report that would state that police confirmed something when they didn't (especially something as big as a cop being undercover in a gang).

I also don't know of any news report that would state something as big as a cop being undercover in a gang and not give us either a picture of him being a cop or a clip of the police captain telling the media "Yeah he was one of ours, he was undercover with Costello for 10 years."

It took me about minute to google murdered police officer photos that showed them not in uniform.

Now go back and google murdered UNDERCOVER police officer photos that showed them not in uniform.

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The police confirmed with the news that they were okay with this disinformation being leaked.


Once again - they would never do that. They would never give false information that a known gangster was a cop. The liability and the logistics would be too much. Cops, citizens, officials would be coming from all over country to go to this cops funeral. People could get killed since they believe this mobster was a rat cop. Delahunts family and/or friends could have a target on their back as revenge - even if they were innocent of any crimes. It's just not going to happen.

which we can clearly see they didn't do.


No shot. Just doesn't happen. Give me one example of a department allowing a news agency to falsly declare a gangster was a cop when they knew he wasn't. It's just absurd.

Maybe they were an inexperienced upstart news program and weren't aware of all the risks. Maybe they didn't care about the risks because they had hotshot lawyers on the payroll who would clear them of any charges. Maybe they knew Costello would either figure out that "the cops are saying he's a cop so I won't look for the cop" or wouldn't bother going after Delahunt's friends and family because his drug shipments were more important.


You can "maybe" all you want - but that isn't going to make it so. You can "maybe" just about any arguement here - but let's be realistic.

Now go back and google murdered UNDERCOVER police officer photos that showed them not in uniform.


Let me get this straight..You think a murdered undercover cop (detectives who don't where uniforms) would be more likely to have their photo in a uniform than an actual uniformed officer? Come on... Do I have to find a officer that was undercover from Boston whose last name starts with a "D" and has blonde hair, was right handed, etc.....

Here is a story of an undercover who was shot 8 times (but lived) and there photos of him in civilian clothing - not uniform.

https://www.abqjournal.com/706353/detective-recalls-horror-of-being-shot-by-boss-in-drug-sting.html

Here are a few - undercover detective killed. The paper could have used a uniform photo - they were available - but they decided to use a non-uniform photo.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/widows-victimized-double-killer-ronell-wilson-avoids-death-penalty-article-1.467439

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/nyregion/22trial.html

http://www.wtvm.com/story/22970123/undercover-officer-dies-after-vehicle-crash-on-veterans-pkwy

Luckily - there aren't many undercover detectives murdered.

Think about it - what is more likely - a news story using a photo of a cop that wasn't in uniform (which I demonstrated happens numerous times) - or a new story claiming an gangster was an undercover cop when they knew he wasn't and/or lied about getting confirmation and/or a police department confirming it (which isn't done)?

I think I know your answer - so I think we are at a point to agree to disagree. I can't spell it out / demonstrate it any better.

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Internet stories don't need to show evidence because either the TV news story already presented it or friends/family turned in badges and other police equipment. I will tip my hat to you though for actually finding undercover stories this time.

You're so insistent on the liability that the news station would have faced for falsely declaring that a deceased criminal was a cop, yet the liability that "Officer" Delahunt would have faced for stealing Queenan's gun in the incident that ultimately led to his death and shooting at the other cops when he was already in the van doesn't seem to bother you.

I guess what it boils down to is which do you prefer to believe:
1) Delahunt was a cop who helped kill Queenan, shot at other cops from inside the van, "didn't tell anyone" that Billy was the rat because he was a cop yet left it out there for Billy in the form of a rhetorical and somewhat sarcastic question, and was the subject of an accurate news story
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2) Delahunt was a criminal who helped kill Queenan, shot at other cops from inside the van, "didn't tell anyone" that Billy was the rat because in the final moments of his life as a criminal he found some conscience and humanity, and was the subject of an inaccurate news story.

Personally, I think Monahan would have far more explaining to do for Delahunt's actions if option 1 is correct. His actions in the movie make far more sense as a criminal, and then the false news story can be chalked up to a slip in the script (Monahan himself possibly not giving thought to the liability issues that you brought up). It's clear that the intention was that Costello was not going to go after any of Delahunt's friends or family anyway because, as he accurately explained, "the cops are saying he's a cop so I won't look for the cop."

But you're right. Agree to disagree. It's going in circles.

I'll leave it at this: If Delahunt is a cop, he's got the world's biggest cojones for hanging out on the street with Fitzy saying "I know how to spot a cop. If he's not paying attention to us, he's a cop. See that guy over there? He's not paying attention to us. He's a cop", saying that the lady who passed them is "probably the f!@#ing police commissioner" when Fitzy realized that he really has no idea who's a cop and who isn't and then later on saying to Billy "You're a cop. You ignored us, you're a cop. We're guessing who cops are. You know most good-looking women are cops?"

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You're so insistent on the liability that the news station would have faced for falsely declaring that a deceased criminal was a cop, yet the liability that "Officer" Delahunt would have faced for stealing Queenan's gun in the incident that ultimately led to his death and shooting at the other cops when he was already in the van doesn't seem to bother you.


Apples and oranges. With Delahunt - he could have felt he was defusing the situation with the Captain. As far as shooting - he was getting shot at. He didn't know they were cops, they didn't identify themselves, they weren't in uniform, they didn't have their badges out, etc. He was shooting at people shoot at him - he didn't have time to think about liability as the bullets are flying past him (and in him).

As far as the game with Fitzy - he was undercover -he blends in - he plays the games. He didn't know what Fitzy was going to say. What's he going to do - tell him to stop it. He joined in like most would do. He might not have known he was cop until the Captain scene, and even if he did know before - I wouldn't call it cojones - I'd call it great work - Fitzy didn't really think the lady was a cop or the commissioner because she didn't look obviously - so calling Costigan a cop could have been a misdirection. Calling him a cop during the game wouldn't make Fitzy think he was a cop, but I'm leaning towards he didn't know he was a cop at that point.

Either way - good discussion - I'll end it with agreeing to disagree - unless you have further.


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Duuude, here we go again with that "defusing the situation" argument. Could you imagine "Officer" Delahunt trying to explain his reasoning to the BPD Captain on that one?

BPD Captain: I just found out that Costello's guys threw Captain Queenan off a building. Were you there when that happened?
Delahunt: Yeah, but I didn't push him off. I just took his gun from him to defuse the situation. It was Fitzy and the other guys who threw him off. I didn't know they were going to do that.
BPD Captain: Oh okay. No problem then. Back to work.

Yeah, right. Not only is he off the case, but lock him up and throw away the key.

He shot at people. It doesn't matter if they were cops. He was already in the van that was driving away when he shot back. He could just get his head down at that point if he was worried about any more bullets penetrating into the van. No time to think about the liability? Too bad, make the time.

The game with Fitzy wasn't an impossible situation for him as a cop, and it's not the crux of my argument. But he just looked way too comfortable in that scene. Billy did more of the traditional things to show Costello and the others that while he was devoted to his cause, he wasn't sucking up to him either and ending up giving himself away. Like his smartass "Lennon was the president before Lincoln" comment and his refusal to stay in the warehouse against French's orders. Just enough insubordination and disrespect to show them he's a bad guy without making them think he's better off dead. And yes, it would have taken major cojones for "Officer" Delahunt to pull that off. What if Fitzy had said "you know so much about who is a cop, maybe you're a cop"? What if Billy really was a criminal and said the same thing? Most cops in that situation would start to sweat a little. Case in point: Billy started to sweat a little when Delahunt said that he's a cop. Instead of joining in the game or saying "maybe you're a cop too" he went "Uh, well I'm gonna go, he's playing with his new guys. See ya."

It seems agreeing to disagree is not working, and my guess is you will have a response to this. So I'll say that I could be open to you having the last word if your response doesn't contain anything that I feel needs to be responded to.

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Nah - I'm done - good debate catch you later.

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Oh yes he was a cop. He said this to Billy so that Billy would know that he was, and maybe get him out of the hideout and to a real doctor. Everyone on here seems to forget that Delahunt was identified as an undercover for the Boston P.D., while Billy was an undercover for the Massachusetts State Police. The two are totally separate agencies. Both were deep undercover, but Delahunt didn't realize that Billy was also UC until he showed up at the correct address. That's why Delahunt reached out to him before he died; he wanted to die as a cop, going to a hospital; not as a crook dying alone in a dirty warehouse.

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Oh yes he was a cop. He said this to Billy so that Billy would know that he was, and maybe get him out of the hideout and to a real doctor. Everyone on here seems to forget that Delahunt was identified as an undercover for the Boston P.D., while Billy was an undercover for the Massachusetts State Police. The two are totally separate agencies. Both were deep undercover, but Delahunt didn't realize that Billy was also UC until he showed up at the correct address. That's why Delahunt reached out to him before he died; he wanted to die as a cop, going to a hospital; not as a crook dying alone in a dirty warehouse.

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The idea of Delahunt being a cop is absurd. He "didn't tell nobody" because he was too busy watching his life flash before his eyes to make intelligent decisions about what's best for the future of Costello's crime enterprise.

Also, Boston P.D. and MSP are both law enforcement agencies and work together routinely. FBI, local police departments, DEA...it's all law enforcement. It's not outside of the realm of possibility at all to assume that two agencies worked together to try to capture Costello. Hey, wait a second! The FBI was helping the MSP nail Costello, much to Sergeant Dignam's chagrin. But at least it brought us one of his best lines: "My theory on Feds is they're like mushrooms: feed 'em s*** and keep 'em in the dark."

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No, it's not referenced in the script. In the DVD commentary, Scorsese treats the notion that Delahunt is a cop as a completely new idea to him and acknowledges it as a secondary interpretation of the actual events of the film.

So. What doesn't make sense about Delahunt not being a cop due to the fact that he murdered a high-ranking police officer, and he "didn't tell nobody" because he too busy dying?

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He was a cop. Costello and others were clearly in denial when they saw the report on the news. That's the only reason that explains why he didn't simply tell them Billy was the rat.

As far as the explainations of Delahunt not telling because "he was dying and his life flashed before his eyes" is crazy. If he was such a hardened criminal he would have went to the grave with that in mind and told on Billy.

They would have had to have some sort of cutscene with Delahunt "coming to terms" with his actions and wanting to change and what not.

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Merry Christmas, man.

There are several reasons that explain why Delahunt didn't tell on Billy besides him being a cop. The most important of course is that him being a cop makes no sense. He murdered a police captain, and took the initiative on it. If you recall, he was the first one out of the elevator and couldn't wait to cock his shotgun. I don't care how deep undercover you are, you don't go out of your way to kill cops just to maintain your cover. Also, let's not forget that when French told everybody to write down their social security numbers and bank accounts, Delahunt was calmly sitting in the booth giving his information indicating A) he had nothing to hide because he was a criminal, not a police officer or B) the Boston PD has capabilities the State Police don't have and managed to give him a fake identity that Costello couldn't detect. Which is more likely?

As far as focusing on the welfare of your gang instead of the bullet in your gut, even the most hardened criminals get a little distracted when they're facing death. Personally, I've never taken a fatal bullet but if I did I sincerely doubt I would be a lot more worried about surviving than keeping my coworkers out of jail. But that's just me. And in the case that he wanted to seek redemption by keeping Billy's secret safe, no cut scene was necessary because the guy was on the brink of death. Delahunt wasn't important enough of a character to warrant this, and it would have been unrealistic because he was mortally wounded and didn't have very long to live at all.

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Also when French told everyone to write their information down, a lot of people miss the part where Sullivan is actually trying to look up the information that everyone wrote down in the "Citizens" packet. He couldn't find a thing on anyone, why? No on wrote down their real information. If everone wrote down their information except for Billy he could have instantly suspected Billy since he didn't write down his info.


As far as him "murdering a police captain", we don't actually see him doing the act. There were like 4 other guys with him that could have did it. You remember the scene where Billy is with French and the guy throws a toy at Billy? French killed that man in cold blood, and Billy couldn't do anything about it, why? He's deep undercover, if he would have tried to help the man French was going to kill he would have broken his cover and would have been killed himself. He had to play along to stick with his undercover persona.

Again, with the whole "Brink of death" thing where all hardened criminals turn a new leaf is still way out there because you'd have to know a little about the character himself. How could they just throw that sort of plot device in without actually giving us some sort of backdrop to the Delahunt character? To take it even further, let's look at a crime syndicate as a family. You've been running with these guys for years and know everyone by name, you also hang out with everyone on a daily basis. You're telling me you'll not tell your "family" about potential information that could harm them in the future?

No, I think it was painfully obvious he kept his secret safe because he himself was an undercover.
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1) It doesn't show Sullivan looking up the information in the "Citizens" packet. In fact, nothing in the film even indicates that he even opened it. The envelope was just lying under a bunch of papers towards the end of the movie. If he DID open it, this means that everyone's info checked out (including Delahunt's.)

2) Yeah, we do see him doing the act. Not only do we see him bursting out of the elevator cocking his shottie, we see a quick shot of everyone grabbing Queenan's ass and Delahunt himself stealing his gun. I think it's safe to say that in the split second shot that we see DiCaprio running down the fire escape (while Queenan is being tossed out) that Delahunt didn't suddenly let go of him and back off while he watched Fitzy and the other two guys finish the job. That would be absurd.

3) You can't compare this murder to the one of French blasting the guy through the plastic bottle. Queenan was a police captain. French's guy was some random degenerate scumbag. If you're an undercover cop, I think it's pretty obvious which guy you'd be more concerned about murdering in order to keep your cover. Also, French popped the guy suddenly and caught Costigan off guard. Even if he wanted to save the scumbag's life, he didn't have time.

4) I never said anything about hardened criminals turning over new leaves. Someone else said that and I don't agree. As far as me running with guys whose names I know, it still comes back to the issue of my death being on the forefront of my mind. I've had some near death experiences and the last thing on my mind at the time was whether or not my co-workers whom I know by name are gonna be alright after I die. It just doesn't work like that.

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I suggest you re-watch this movie, everything you are saying here is a recap of what you were saying before I disproved it.

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"I suggest you re-watch this movie"

Right. I should rewatch the movie while you point out scenes that never took place and pretend scenes that DID take place never existed. This is a very minor part of the movie so it doesn't really matter to me, but it's nonsense to try to go around trying to tell people that Delahunt was a cop. Although I won't lie, I'm very close to putting "The cops are saying he's a cop so I won't look for the cop." in my sig. ;)

EDIT: Looked over the script a bit and there's basically confirmation that he wasn't a cop right there in plain English. There's a few lines that never made it into the final cut that explain exactly why he didn't tell nobody. Delahunt says as he's dying:
"Two days...two days ago the Boss
says to me, it's been ten years
already, and you've never done me
wrong. He asked me, if one of the
other guys is a rat, would I take
him out. I told him I would but I
don't know if I would. Now I know I
can't. I've done a lot of bad
things but I've never been a
murderer."

So there you have it. Now why would Monahan have Delahunt give this little speech instead of something along the lines of "Hey, buddy. I'm Boston PD. Get this S.O.B. for me and avenge my death. It's been a pleasure working with you." The simplest (and only) explanation is that he was never a cop.

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There's still a major plot hole, even if he wasn't a cop:

Why would the Boston P.D. announce after the fact that he was an undercover? The obvious answer is that they were trying to throw suspicion off of Bill, who was still inside and needed all the protection he could get.

But here's the problem with that: Boston P.D. and the State Police are two separate agencies, neither of which knew about the other's undercovers, so BPD would not have known Bill was still under and needed suspicion thrown off of him.

Another problem: Queenan was dead and Dignam was on suspension. They were the only two who knew Bill was undercover, so who exactly would have told BPD to cover for him in the first place? Either way you slice it, this part doesn't make sense at all. The ambiguity of Delahunt's last words amount to sloppy storytelling, plain and simple. If he was a cop, then why did he help kill Queenan? And if he wasn't, there was absolutely no logical explanation presented for why anyone should say he was.

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I already addressed this with someone else. First of all, the Boston P.D. didn't announce that he was undercover. That was a local news station. Who knows where they got their information.

Next, state and local law enforcement work together ALL THE TIME. If you're trying to nail the leader of the biggest organized crime organization in Boston that has to date evaded law enforcement, obviously the agencies will be working side by side trying to take him down, using all resources available to them.

As for your last comment: again, nobody said he wasn't a cop except the TV station that covered the story. He did, however, help kill Queenan which is proof that he wasn't a cop.

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Killing Queenan isn't proof that Delahunt wasn't a cop; the city PD and state PD work together but Billy was extremely deep cover, to the point that his real name was used, same with Frank. Clearly only Queenan and Dignam knew about it and if they wouldn't share within their own Dept. (Ellerby) they wouldn't share with the city. Vice versa with the city/state sharing UC info. Killing Queenan was a deep cover move that he had to live with, just not for much longer. One could even argue that he ALLOWED himself to get killed out of guilt...

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"It doesn't show Sullivan looking up the information in the "Citizens" packet."

Yes, it does. You see him looking up their information in the police database.

"If he DID open it, this means that everyone's info checked out (including Delahunt's.)"

While looking up Billy's and Delahunt's info, the data base comes back with the message "no record" or "no info." or something like that.

For someone who seems to love this movie so much, you sure don't seem to know it too well.


Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.

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I know it fine. I went back and reviewed that part and it was only a few second long sequence. Anyway, everybody's information returned "person not found" so this means absolutely nothing and certainly doesn't mean Delahunt is a cop.

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"I know it fine."

I would have to strongly disagree. This is the second post of yours I've seen, and in both posts you've denied the existence of a very crucial scene. How can you claim to know and understand this movie so well if you've missed such important scenes? Those two scenes help explain the plots that you are debating with others.

Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.

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Excuse me, but I don't give a rat's ass what you have to strongly agree or disagree with. I don't even know your name, chief. I missed the phrase "It's been a year", which makes no difference since I already assumed it was around that amount of time since Billy had been undercover anyway and I forgot a very brief sequence where Colin can't find Frank's guys in the computer. Neither segments were essential to the plot.

In any case, I'm not debating anything. I've explained why Delahunt is not a cop and posted excerpts from the script where Monahan illustrates why Delahunt "didn't tell nobody." If you or anybody else choose to remain in denial, it's no sweat off my sack. It's a free country.

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Delahunt actually says "Tell me why they didn't tell nobody". He is a cop. He is upset that no one told him that Costigan was the cop. That's what he said and that is why he didn't rat Costigan out.

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No he doesn't. He says "Tell me why I didn't tell nobody." Not "Tell me why THEY didn't tell nobody." He wasn't a cop, man. I don't know why there's this little niche group out there of guys that want to think he was a cop so bad. Here's an excerpt from a line that got deleted later: "He asked me, if one of the other guys is a rat, would I take him out. I told him I would but I
don't know if I would. Now I know I can't. I've done a lot of bad things but I've never been a murderer. I've done a lot of bad things but I've never been a murderer."

There's nothing in the entire film that indicates that he was connected with law enforcement in any way, shape, or form.

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Reading this thread and thinking back over the film, I think both explanations are plausible. It certainly isn't 'obvious' that he was or wasn't another undercover cop. I'd go as far as to say the film leaves the question open. I can't think of any significant plot points whose meaning depend on whether or not there was second 'rat' in Costello's crew. If there was, it would provide some additional symmetry to the picture, with at least two informers working on both sides. But ultimately whether or not Costigan is the only one, the narrative works fine.

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It's plausible to believe that an undercover cop goes around murdering state police captains to maintain his cover? This is the United States of America, not Rwanda.

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I think the way it was depicted it was at least plausible. He couldn't have stopped the murder and even passive action would have raised doubts among his colleagues. What you say is valid and raises questions about whether he could be a cop but I don't see it as definitive.

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just wanted to chime in and say yes...he was a cop...right?

I'm kinda wondering wheres the part 2?

saw it for the first time the other day, im sure I need to see it again, but from what I gathered, he was undercover.

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I don't think he was a cop. He enthusiastically participated in murdering a police captain, and then after certainly discovering that Billy was a rat he asks him,"Tell me why I didn't tell nobody". That is NOT something a dying undercover cop asks another guy he just discovered is also a cop. It sounds more like a guy that had a beef with the boss or something as was trying to pressure Billy by letting him know that he had something on him now, so he better help him out. Billy started to go for his gun! HE didn't think by that comment that he was a cop. A real cop would have identified himself and asked for help.

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Dude I know these posts are three years old but I am wondering if you ever rewatched The Departed?

I just watched it again for the first time in a while. Still such a great movie.

It's tough to read all your posts arguing that Delehunt wasn't a cop. I don't see how anyone could stretch as far as you did and think he wasn't a cop.

Have you seen it again since all these posts? Have you come to realize you were wrong back then?

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But wasn;t Delahunt shooting back at the troopers after Queenan got thrown off the roof? And also don't you guys think that Delahunt would had prevented Queenan from getting thrown off the roof had he really been a cop? It clearly showed him roughing Queenan up along with the other thugs right before he was tossed off the roof. I understand being deep undercover and all, but I doubt that includes aiding in killing a state police captain.

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1) There is a scene where Sullivan looks up the information in the Citizens packet and can't find records on any body. It is cross-cut with the scene where Delahunt and his friend are doing the 'Is he a cop?' shtick on passersby and where Costello brings in a new crew to feed disinformation to Costigan to test him.

Since Sullivan doesn't find any records on any of the 'Citizens' and since Costello's disinformation tactic doesn't work on Costigan, they conclude the Costigan is not the rat. Sullivan then decides to use Queenan's advice on following Costello to catch the mole in the Police department, on Queenan himself to catch Queenan's informant.

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If he was a cop, he wouldn't have participated in killing a police captain. What Nicholson's character said after viewing the news report was right. They said he was a cop, so Costello wouldn't look for the cop.

There is no way he was a cop.

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tombennett91 is right that it's left up to the viewer, so I'm by no means trying to "prove someone wrong".

To comment on your post though, you didn't actually see him throw Queenin off the roof. Now he may have been present at the killing, but if you're an undercover you are supposed to keep that cover. You're not supposed to blow your cover for anything, if he blew his cover at that point he himself would have been killed.

Remember the scene where Billy and French are about to rough up the chubby guy in his dining room? The guy throws a toy at Billy? French shot that man dead, and Billy was present but of course couldn't do anything to stop it becauses he's what? Yes, he's undercover. Blowing his cover there or even acting like he cared about the other guys life would have put him in hot water with Costello.

So by what you guys are saying, since Billy was present at the killings and such, that he's not an undercover but a full time thug? We didn't see Delahunt throw Queenin off the roof, even if he was present when they did, it doesn't make him "not an undercover" because he was there.

Also about throwing Queenin off the roof, something that no one has touched on; Delahunt wouldn't have known who Queenin was since Delahunt is presumably undercover for the (city?) police, and not the state police which is what Billy was. For all we know in the scene I talked about above with Billy, French could have killed a guy from the city police and Billy wouldn't have known him from anyone else.

To everyone saying that Delahunt wasn't a cop, there's not a whole lot of evidence showing that he was just a thug. There may not be concrete evidence all around but it definitely leans more toward Delahunt being a cop.

Again not trying to prove anyone wrong, since this particular thing with Delahunt is supposed to be ambigious.

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OK, lets just say he actually was a cop. Why does it matter? It's not like he was a key member of the storyline.

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I'll finally be able to sleep at night

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Def. not a cop. How can anyone even think that?
The whole point is that the dying guy had been suspicious of DeCap. and figured he wouldn't show up. As he was dying, he realized he gave Leo the wrong address (possibly deliberately, it could be argued).

EDIT: OK, I watched it again and now I see it. Even Jack is testing Bill.
When Damon does a search, it comes up as file not found.
(Although, Leo comes up later as person not found.
So, does Leo tell the police where the body is found, to help his cover, since Bill is dead?
Now, I feel it can be both ways. Good call.

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Yeah, I'm looking at it now on FX and if Leo didn't tell them where to find the body how the heck would they have found his body?

I'm pretty sure this scene was designed so people can think either way. I still think Delahunt was a cop.

Also Delahunt never shot at the cops, the cops opened fire on him and got him in the chest, then he fell. For people saying he killed Queenin (spelling) like I said before there were four guys with him, and we don't see who exactly throws him off the building.

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Costello was paranoid. How'd Delahunt's body get recovered so quickly? Fitz was a pro & knew how to dispose of bodies.

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He was dying he probably had just come to the realization that he gave Billy the wrong address when it was to late

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wow,what the hell did i start.

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Vladimir_Horowitz is right. You don't kill a police captain for the sake of keeping your cover. Billy wouldn't have allowed it had he been there when they were about to toss him. It doesn't matter if Delahunt (he grabbed Queenan) threw him off or someone else did, Delahunt was present and involved in the killing of a police captain. He can't be a cop.

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Might have been mentioned already, Scorsese said in the commentary on the second disk, deleted scenes, that he left it ambigious to the audience on purpose. A definate answer is down to you.

"You won't take my children!"- Michael Corleone.
(Part III would have done well to remember this.)

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I don't know how people can say this was bad writting. When you think about it, the character of Delahunt was expertly written. There is perfectly ambiguity as to whether or not he was a cop. It's totally up to the viewer to decide.

Personally, I do not think he was a cop. I get the impression he had been with the Costello family for many years. He was a hardend enforcer, but he was't a homicidal maniac, like Fitzy for instance. When he took the call for 'heavy work', he was focused and determined to get to 344 Wash and get Queenan and his rat. However, when he was in the van, he clearly made an error and gave Billy the 314 Wash address by accident. I don't for a moment think this was a plan to force the rat out (no offence but I don't think Delahunt was that smart). He then actively captured Queenan, and ultimately contributed to his murder (although again this is left open to viewer interpretation - I like to think that it was probably mad-dog Fitzy that actually threw Queenan, being that type of character).

It's not until Delahunt get's shot, and he is dying on the couch, that he realises that Billy must be the rat, because he still turned up despite being given the wrong address. I think his dying moments show us exactly the kind of character Delahunt is. Rather than being a cold-blooded psycho, he was a 'burnt-out' and tired old gangster, who had seen one too many lives ruined by crime and Costello, and his last act was an honourable one. Rather than ratting out Billy and making him suffer a horrible death at the hand of Costello's men, he chose to save his life. Delahunt probably liked Billy as a friend, and maybe saw himself in him when he was a young man.

Does anyone else think Fitzy could be a cop????? j/k

'Gunz gunz gunz!'

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I agree completely. From the language Delahunt uses, I'd say he's grown close to Billy and even though Billy's been able to infiltrate the group he's obviously different to the others, therefore Delahunt has even more of a reason to bond with him in those closing moments if he is indeed looking for an honourable death. Billy is still a young man and Delahunt knows he holds his life in his hands.

KJax, you're ignoring people who have already proved your points incorrect. Delahunt would not, for covers sake, allow a Police Captain (and yes, he know's Queenan is a police captain, his badge and weapon are on display) to be killed in front of him, whether he participated or not. Not only would it be absurdly unethical for a police officer, but it would end his career once his superiors found out.

Billy had no time to prevent the killing of the thug, even if he had wanted to, it caught him completely off guard - he visibly jumped.


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I agree completely. From the language Delahunt uses, I'd say he's grown close to Billy and even though Billy's been able to infiltrate the group he's obviously different to the others, therefore Delahunt has even more of a reason to bond with him in those closing moments if he is indeed looking for an honourable death.



that's exactly what happened in the original Infernal Affair and the two were about the same age and were a lot closer in that version.

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I can't believe this "debate" is still going on. Look at the first version of the script with the later-deleted aside that outlines how Delahunt isn't a cop. Every once in awhile some random person who has no idea what they're talking about that just saw this movie on Fx or something comes here to whine about how Delahunt "is a cop fo sho!!!". Do your homework, people.

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Delahunt is a cop, dumbass. I just read the very first version of the script. Which is called the white version that came with the DVD that I bought back in 07. The only thing more that Delahunt says to Billy is that he spoke to Costello and Costello told him that he's been with him for 10 years and whether or not he would kill a rat and Delahunt said he would but he wouldn't.

How exactly does that prove that he's a criminal. You never heard of people being undercover for 10 years? He could've been undercover for 10 years or even 20 years it wouldn't make a difference at the fact that he's playing a criminal and pretending. Just like Billy was. Delahunt was an undercover cop. Undercover being the operative word. Delahunt has to cover his identity.

There's nothing in the first version of the script that proves that he's a criminal even though it didn't have the news reporter scene where Costello and the guys are talking about Delahunt being a cop.

Also in the first version of the script. Delahunt says to Billy don't put me in a dumpster. How does that prove that he's a criminal and not a cop.

Do your homework, people.

I did my homework. Why don't you do yours. It's called paying attention to the movie in the scene where the news reporter says delahunt was confirmed to be an undercover cop for the Boston Police Department. That's the only proof you need.

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Ah, name calling. A true mark of someone who is confident in their position. All sarcasm aside, let's take care of your "arguments."

Yes, Delahunt told Costello that he thought he could kill for him but it turns out he couldn't. Why? Because he didn't get approval from his Boston PD sergeant? Please. He already wasted Captain Queenan without any problems. It's his conscience that is making him feel guilt about all his bad things over the years, not fearing repercussions from his bosses over at the Boston PD. And no, I've never heard of a cop going undercover for 10 years. You're more than welcome to provide me with a few links if you find some cases, though. That's a pretty sub-par cop that can't make any progress undercover after a decade. So now it should become clear to you that the reason he says "Tell me why I didn't tell nobody" is because he's "never been a murderer," as he says in the original script. My view is because he's trying to make up for some of the bad things he's done by not selling out Billy to Costello. If the reason he "didn't tell nobody" is because he's a cop, why make a riddle for Billy as he dies? He would simply say, "Oh by the way. I'm a cop, too. Go get him, Bill!"

As far as the dumpster goes, this one is a slam dunk. He's begging Billy not to put him in a dumpster because Costello obviously doesn't care much about a dignified burial for his henchmen. If he didn't want to be put in a dumpster (assuming he's a cop), all Delahunt would have had to say is "Hey, Bill. Let Captain Smith over at Boston PD know that I need to get picked up so I'll get a proper burial." There would be no point in begging Billy to make sure he doesn't get put in a dumpster.

And yes, I know the local news scene very well. Several of your predecessors have made the exact same mistake you have just made and I will explain to you what happened in this scene, just as I have explained it to them. Have you ever heard the phrase "Don't believe everything you see on TV?" Good. Then you know that simply because Costello and his crew saw a news report that Delahunt is a cop that does not mean it's true. Costello, a fictional character, figured out what completely slipped past you: "The cops are saying he's a cop so I won't look for the cop." This is of course absolutely true, as the real cop (Billy) is still very much in Costello's crew.

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Yes, Delahunt told Costello that he thought he could kill for him but it turns out he couldn't. Why? Because he didn't get approval from his Boston PD sergeant? Please. He already wasted Captain Queenan without any problems. It's his conscience that is making him feel guilt about all his bad things over the years, not fearing repercussions from his bosses over at the Boston PD. And no, I've never heard of a cop going undercover for 10 years. You're more than welcome to provide me with a few links if you find some cases, though. That's a pretty sub-par cop that can't make any progress undercover after a decade. So now it should become clear to you that the reason he says "Tell me why I didn't tell nobody" is because he's "never been a murderer," as he says in the original script. My view is because he's trying to make up for some of the bad things he's done by not selling out Billy to Costello. If the reason he "didn't tell nobody" is because he's a cop, why make a riddle for Billy as he dies? He would simply say, "Oh by the way. I'm a cop, too. Go get him, Bill!"

First of all, even though in the first version of the script there is no proof that he's a criminal, what difference would it make? It's the first version of the script. There was 9 other versions after that. I should've said this in the last post but I was just trying to argue with your posts about the 10 years thing and all that. In reality what I should've said was that it doesn't even matter what happened in the first version of the script. Maybe in the 5th version the writer decided to change his mind and make him a cop. Maybe in the first version it didn't seem like he was a cop but they changed that obviously. So in reality the first version of the script is not proof. We're talking about the actual movie and what happened in the actual movie which is the final version not in the first version.

This happens in movies all the time where the first version of the script is totally different from the actual movie and I would know this myself because I read a lot of scripts.

Now back to your arguements of what happened in the actual movie. Delahunt didn't waste captain Queenan. His crew did. There were 3 or 4 other guys with him. Seriously what did you expect Delahunt to do? Please answer the question? Like really what did you seriously expect him to do in that situation? Say he tries to stop them by taking queenans gun or even his own gun and shooting one guy. The other guys pull out their own gun and shoot Delahunt boom he's dead. The scene was going so fast that you couldn't really tell whether delahunt was really hesitating. All he did was take Queenans gun just in case he might pull it out and try to shoot him. Bottom line is there was nothing he can do about Queenan.

Since when do real life hard core criminals have consciences? Look at everybody in Costello's crew. Everybody in that crew was a stone cold killer. We don't know if Delahunt has ever killed before I'm sure he has being a cop. Part of the job. But then that brings me back to the original script. Even though this doesn't matter because it's the first version I'm gonna ask it for the sake of arguement. If delahunt is this crazy cold hearted killer like every member in Costello's crew was, why would Costello need to ask Delahunt if he would kill the rat. Maybe Costello thought he was a cop too and asked him that question to put him to the test. For somebody who was with Costello for 10 years it wouldn't make sense for Costello to ask him that question if he would kill a rat unless he's a cop. But in reality it doesn't matter cause it's the first version of the script and they could've changed it because that scene was not in the movie.

There's lots of cops who have been undercover for years. I don't know if it's exactly 10 years but there's cops who have been inside a long time. It takes a long time to make a rico case. Plus, Costello was a protected informant. That could've been the reason things got fuqqed up in the police department and delahunt not making a case. All of this is irellavent.

Why would Delahunt ask Billy why he didn't tell nobody? That question doesn't make any sense and the reason it doesn't make any sense is because the guy was in shock from getting shot and he was losing a lot of blood. The only logical thing that question could mean is that Delahunt wants Billy to figure out he's a cop without actually saying it.

Why would Delahunt need to tell Billy that he's a cop? Especially in front of other guys who could possibly hear him and then wonder why is he telling Billy all of this. Did it ever occur to you? Or better yet did you ever ask your self why is he telling Billy all of this? Well because he figured out that Billy is a cop and he didn't kill him right then and there when Billy showed up to the right address just proves that he's a cop himself. This was before Delahunt was even shot. For somebody who's a criminal. Somebody who just figured out that somebody is a cop the normal thing to would be to kill them right then and there preventing this guy from getting further information about their gang?

As far as the dumpster goes, this one is a slam dunk. He's begging Billy not to put him in a dumpster because Costello obviously doesn't care much about a dignified burial for his henchmen. If he didn't want to be put in a dumpster (assuming he's a cop), all Delahunt would have had to say is "Hey, Bill. Let Captain Smith over at Boston PD know that I need to get picked up so I'll get a proper burial." There would be no point in begging Billy to make sure he doesn't get put in a dumpster.

Again it's all irrelavent. But for argument sake. He didn't say I want a proper burial. He said just don't put me in a dumpster in which in really didn't even matter cause he would be dead. That line is absolutely pointless. Again, why would delahunt need to have Billy tell his captain about getting buried. He didn't even need to tell Billy that he's a cop especially with other people around there. He took a chance in telling Billy that he figured out that he's a cop. But, why would he need to tell Billy hey I'm a cop?

And yes, I know the local news scene very well. Several of your predecessors have made the exact same mistake you have just made and I will explain to you what happened in this scene, just as I have explained it to them. Have you ever heard the phrase "Don't believe everything you see on TV?" Good. Then you know that simply because Costello and his crew saw a news report that Delahunt is a cop that does not mean it's true. Costello, a fictional character, figured out what completely slipped past you: "The cops are saying he's a cop so I won't look for the cop." This is of course absolutely true, as the real cop (Billy) is still very much in Costello's crew.

Yes everybody has heard that term but there's just one little thing with your theory. The news reporter didn't make that up. It was confirmed by someone in the Boston police department. It could've been somebody who went to the same academy as delahunt and recognized him. The cops were obviously the first people to show up on the scene and then the news reporter showed up and the guy just like Brown did about Costigan could've said "Hey I know that guy we were classmates in the academy. He's a cop. The news reporter said that he was CONFIRMED to be a undercover cop for the Boston police department. News reporters wouldn't be able to get that information or sure as fuqq not pull it out of their ass unless somebody told them that. It wouldn't make sense for the cops to protect somebodies identity inside. When they don't even know who's inside.

Delahunt was definitely a cop GUARANTEED. From the cops confirming it to the fact Delahunt didn't kill Billy when he first arrived at the right address.

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"First of all, even though in the first version of the script there is no proof that he's a criminal, what difference would it make? It's the first version of the script."

Because it shows where William Monahan's mind was. I believe I read somewhere that the excerpts I cited were later removed to because Scorcese wanted to lend some ambiguity to the question of whether Delahunt was a cop.

"Delahunt didn't waste captain Queenan. His crew did. There were 3 or 4 other guys with him. Seriously what did you expect Delahunt to do?"

Delahunt was the main aggressor. He led Fitzy in the search for Queenan in the building and he was the first one off the elevator and immediately cocked his shotgun ready to take care of business. He then grabbed Queenan by his jacket and stole his gun so he couldn't shoot any of the guys. Delahunt wasn't off in the corner somewhere deep in concern or desperately trying to convince the guys to take it easy so they could talk to him first, thereby saving Queenan's life.. No, Delahunt immediately charged towards the captain with a loaded weapon and was the first one in his face.

"Since when do real life hard core criminals have consciences?...We don't know if Delahunt has ever killed before I'm sure he has being a cop. Part of the job. ...If delahunt is this crazy cold hearted killer like every member in Costello's crew was, why would Costello need to ask Delahunt if he would kill the rat."

You're going off the deep end now, man. True crime isn't like the movies where there's defined "good guys" and "bad guys." Just because you work in a criminal organization doesn't mean you have no morals or ethics whatsoever. Even inmates in federal prison torture pedophiles and rapists, while going easier on thieves and drug offenders. Also, most cops never pull their gun let alone kill anybody. Especially in Boston, a relatively safe city, being a cop doesn't necessarily mean you have killed someone at all. Why would Costello ask that? Reaffirmation of his loyalty. Maybe Costello sensed Delahunt's misgivings about being a career criminal, or maybe Costello knew that Delahunt has never killed anybody so he just wanted to make sure that he could.

"There's lots of cops who have been undercover for years. I don't know if it's exactly 10 years but there's cops who have been inside a long time. ...All of this is irellavent."

Joe Pistone (Donnie Brasco) went undercover for 6 years and the case has become legendary for how long he went undercover. It's so rare, in fact, that they made a movie about it. And you're trying to say that ten years undercover is completely believable? Come on. And no, it's not irrelevant. This just makes it even tougher to see how anyone could think this guy was a cop. 10 years undercover? Somebody call Guinness.

"The only logical thing that question could mean is that Delahunt wants Billy to figure out he's a cop without actually saying it."

How is that logical? Why would he want Billy to know he's a cop? Even more curious, why wouldn't he just say so? He's dying anyway. Not like the crew is going to kill him for retribution. I read your explanation about why he felt the need to subtly let Billy know that he's a cop, but Delahunt has nothing to gain by doing this.

"Again it's all irrelavent. But for argument sake. He didn't say I want a proper burial. He said just don't put me in a dumpster in which in really didn't even matter cause he would be dead."

Dude. That's what it means when he says he doesn't want to be put in a dumpster. What, you think he just has a problem with the color green? No, he doesn't want to be treated like a piece of meat and wants to be buried with dignity. And yes, Billy tells him the same thing. It doesn't matter. But it seems to matter to Delahunt. And yes, it's relevant. If Monahan wrote the character thinking that he was a cop, he would never have written that line because all Delahunt would have had to do is let Billy know who to contact over at his precinct to make sure that he doesn't get put in a dumpster, instead of begging him.

"The news reporter didn't make that up. It was confirmed by someone in the Boston police department...It wouldn't make sense for the cops to protect somebodies identity inside. When they don't even know who's inside."

Oh wait, the news reporter said the Boston PD confirmed him to be a cop?? Oh, well then it must be true. I heard a news reporter on MSNBC the other day say that Obama won the first debate. Guess that means it's true. Listen, Costello and I already explained this to you. The Staties/Boston PD used this opportunity as a way to get Costello to stop looking for the rat. It's really not that hard and it happens all the time. The police let the news agencies know that they are working on a case and to put out or not put out certain information in order to help their investigation. And yes, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that the Staties would protect their informant, even if they don't know who their informant is. Everyone back at the office, including Captain Ellerby, knew that they had an informant in Costello's crew.

Or hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Delahunt was a cop and just liked to go around murdering police captains after a decade undercover, shooting at other police officers as he made his getaway, and giving people riddles about why he didn't reveal rats when he had 5 seconds to live.

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Because it shows where William Monahan's mind was. I believe I read somewhere that the excerpts I cited were later removed to because Scorcese wanted to lend some ambiguity to the question of whether Delahunt was a cop.

Like I said maybe at first his mind was that we should make him a cop but then they changed it. You go off by what happens in the first version of the script. The first version of the script like I said before and I'll say again. There were 9 other versions which means they changed the possibility that he might be a cop. I go off by what happens in the movie, not by the first version of the script. In the movie if you pay close attention you could tell by the way Delahunt acts that he's a cop.

Delahunt was the main aggressor. He led Fitzy in the search for Queenan in the building and he was the first one off the elevator and immediately cocked his shotgun ready to take care of business. He then grabbed Queenan by his jacket and stole his gun so he couldn't shoot any of the guys. Delahunt wasn't off in the corner somewhere deep in concern or desperately trying to convince the guys to take it easy so they could talk to him first, thereby saving Queenan's life.. No, Delahunt immediately charged towards the captain with a loaded weapon and was the first one in his face.

How could you possibly tell that Delahunt was the main aggressor? They all came up the stairs the same time and all Delahunt did was take Queenans gun so Queenan won't shoot him.

Delahunt wasn't off in the corner somewhere deep in concern or desperately trying to convince the guys to take it easy so they could talk to him first, thereby saving Queenan's life..

Why would an undercover cop who's undercover go hide in a corner to watch the other guys throw Queenan off a building? How would that look? Let's see that he's getting soft. That he can't be trusted. He's playing along. That's the whole point. He has to show that he's a criminal. Look at Billy for example. he's an undercover cop but let's see he smashes a guys with a bottle. He beats two guys in the door almost killing one of them with the coat hanger, ect. Why? Because he's undercover and he has to convince all his gangster friends that he's a real criminal and not a cop. It's common logic for undercover cops.

So what if he had a loaded shot gun? That doesn't prove anything.

You're going off the deep end now, man. True crime isn't like the movies where there's defined "good guys" and "bad guys." Just because you work in a criminal organization doesn't mean you have no morals or ethics whatsoever. Even inmates in federal prison torture pedophiles and rapists, while going easier on thieves and drug offenders. Also, most cops never pull their gun let alone kill anybody. Especially in Boston, a relatively safe city, being a cop doesn't necessarily mean you have killed someone at all. Why would Costello ask that? Reaffirmation of his loyalty. Maybe Costello sensed Delahunt's misgivings about being a career criminal, or maybe Costello knew that Delahunt has never killed anybody so he just wanted to make sure that he could.

What criminals do you know that had morals or ethics? All these guys are physchos that's the whole point. Even if they're wolves in sheeps clothing they're still as dangerous as ever and could kill you at any second if they're life depended on it. They throw they're morals and ethics out the window. They're so called morals and ethics down the window.

Well rapists and pedophiles are not like them. Murderers, theives and drug offenders are just like them so they respect people who are like them and torture people who are not like them. They just don't like people who are not like them. But if one of they're thief friends in prison that they take it easy on would get out of line, they would kill him in a second and throw their so called morals and ethics out the window in a split second. The point is no gangsters have morals or ethics that's why they're called criminals because at the end of the day criminals will kill you and shoot you or seriously hurt you if you *beep* up.

It's very rare that cops don't ever kill anybody on duty. Cops are trigger happy and sign up on the force to use their gun. By the way, Boston has a crazy crime rate. At certain times it has some of the worst crimes ever for all cities in the US.

Joe Pistone (Donnie Brasco) went undercover for 6 years and the case has become legendary for how long he went undercover. It's so rare, in fact, that they made a movie about it. And you're trying to say that ten years undercover is completely believable? Come on. And no, it's not irrelevant. This just makes it even tougher to see how anyone could think this guy was a cop. 10 years undercover? Somebody call Guinness.

Ok 6 years so it is possible to be undercover for 10 years. And last time I checked Joe Pistone was Donnie Brasco and that was a real life story. The Departed is a fictional movie even though Frank Costello was loosely based on Whitey Bulger. Which means when it comes to movies like this you have to have some suspension of disbelief in order for the movie to work. But, it's all irrelavent because this is all in the very first version of the script and not in the movie. The first version of the script is usually the most unofficial one.

For all we know that Delahunt had been inside for 10 years and not gathered enough evidence. Even Queenan said to Costigan that it takes time to build a case against people like Costello after Costigan asked him why not just take Costello on any of the crimes that they seen him do. We don't know what kind of information delahunt was giving to his guys at the police station. Or if he had too many contacts or meetings being deep undercover. I've seen movies where there's guys who act like the biggest criminals ever and you would never, NEVER suspect that they were a cop. The point is anything is possible.

How is that logical? Why would he want Billy to know he's a cop? Even more curious, why wouldn't he just say so? He's dying anyway. Not like the crew is going to kill him for retribution. I read your explanation about why he felt the need to subtly let Billy know that he's a cop, but Delahunt has nothing to gain by doing this.

Why does he need to say Billy I'm a cop? Why does he need to gain anything he's dying? And from the looks of it he died pretty fast. All he wanted to do was let Billy know that he found out about him at the warehouse. If Delahunt was really a criminal he would of told them about Billy. He wouldn't keep that s hit to himself. He doesn't owe Billy anything. And if he's a criminal, that means he would have to be protecting his own ass after he found out that Billy is a cop before he even got shot. What kind of a real criminal after finding out that somebody is a cop would not kill them right then and there or tell the other guys hey this guy is a criminal kill him before he turns us all in. It makes no sense. That's how you know he's a cop.

Dude. That's what it means when he says he doesn't want to be put in a dumpster. What, you think he just has a problem with the color green? No, he doesn't want to be treated like a piece of meat and wants to be buried with dignity. And yes, Billy tells him the same thing. It doesn't matter. But it seems to matter to Delahunt. And yes, it's relevant. If Monahan wrote the character thinking that he was a cop, he would never have written that line because all Delahunt would have had to do is let Billy know who to contact over at his precinct to make sure that he doesn't get put in a dumpster, instead of begging him.

Like I said, that was in the first draft not in the movie so it holds no value. Yeah in the first draft it may of seemed like he was a criminal. But they obviously changed it in the 9 other drafts. But, for the sake of arguement cops don't wanna be buried in a dumpster. So, that could mean that Billy could bury him any where besides a dumpster. They threw him in the moshes didn't they? Not the dumpster. Delahunt thought since Billy is a fellow cop that he would bury him himself. Again Why would Costigan need to find his captain in the police department blowing his own cover. That would make no sense.

Oh wait, the news reporter said the Boston PD confirmed him to be a cop?? Oh, well then it must be true. I heard a news reporter on MSNBC the other day say that Obama won the first debate. Guess that means it's true. Listen, Costello and I already explained this to you. The Staties/Boston PD used this opportunity as a way to get Costello to stop looking for the rat. It's really not that hard and it happens all the time. The police let the news agencies know that they are working on a case and to put out or not put out certain information in order to help their investigation. And yes, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that the Staties would protect their informant, even if they don't know who their informant is. Everyone back at the office, including Captain Ellerby, knew that they had an informant in Costello's crew.

First of all, MSNBC is a liberal station. Obviosuly they're gonna say that Obama won. LOL. Does it make it true? No because they're giving out their opinions and not facts because they are liberals. Liberals are gonna be in denial about it because they have their head shoved up Obama's ass. But, this isn't an opinion that the Boston News reported. It's a fact that was confirmed by a Boston city police officer.

How would they know Costello would stop looking for the rat? I mean Costello is a pretty crazy and dangerous criminal so it only would make sense that they have more than one undercover trying to stop him from different departments even possibly in their own department. It would make no sense for them to try and protect somebodies identity by assuming that Costello might stop looking for the rat.

Costello said the cops are saying he's a cop so I won't look for the cop is because he tried to make any informant who was out of the woods know that Costello doesn't believe what the news reporter is saying just like you and he still knows there's other cops inside who are trying to stop him such as Billy and possibly other people that we don't know of. Costello's logic was to scare all the other guys. Costello said that on purpose.

So the only logical way to get Costello to stop looking for the rat is make up a false report making Costello who's a smart criminal and has been operating for years without getting arrested believe that there was only one undercover guy in their department and nobody else and that Costello would actually believe that? LOL LMFAO Even the cops know Costello is not that stupid.

Or hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Delahunt was a cop and just liked to go around murdering police captains after a decade undercover, shooting at other police officers as he made his getaway, and giving people riddles about why he didn't reveal rats when he had 5 seconds to live.

LOL. Delahunt didn't like killing captain Queenan. He didn't kill Captain Queenan it was him and four other ruthless criminals who threw Queenan off that building. When did he shoot at other police officers? That cop shot at him as he closed the door and was ready to ride shot gun. He then got into the passenger seat as the other cops shot at him left and right. He only shot one round out of the passenger when the van drove off. What did you expect him to do let them shoot at him. Also, when Delahunt shoots back it was still at a time he wasn't sure he was gonna die. They could've took him to a doctor. So he was protecting his identity. The cops pulled out their guns and shot out of nowhere. There goes your theory about cops never pulling out their guns and shooting anybody.

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"I go off by what happens in the movie, not by the first version of the script."

Same here. However, the original screenplay illustrates further why he could not be a cop and is just a nail in the coffin for you.

"How could you possibly tell that Delahunt was the main aggressor?"

Because he was the first one off the elevator, first one to draw his weapon, and the first one to point it at Queenan threateningly. Fitzy was just along for the ride.

"He's playing along. That's the whole point. He has to show that he's a criminal."

Right. I'm sure the previous 10 years (haha) of being undercover didn't convince the guys yet. Yeah, you're right. He was probably just "playing along" by helping the murder of a high ranking police officer.

"What criminals do you know that had morals or ethics?"

I don't associate with criminals, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that just because you have made bad decisions or have a short temper doesn't mean you suddenly have no morality whatsoever.

"It's very rare that cops don't ever kill anybody on duty. Cops are trigger happy and sign up on the force to use their gun."

Yes, I remember that line from the movie too. Cite a real statistic that backs that statement up instead of a quote from 'The Departed' and I may listen to you.

"By the way, Boston has a crazy crime rate. At certain times it has some of the worst crimes ever for all cities in the US."

Really? Boston saw 75 murders in a city of 600,000 people the year before this movie came out. That means 0.000125% of people were murdered. Yep. A real "crazy crime" haven, Beantown is. Look out D.C. and Detroit! ;)

"Ok 6 years so it is possible to be undercover for 10 years."

Sure, anything's possible. But if that happened it would be a World Record. Highly unlikely Delahunt set the World Record.

"What kind of a real criminal after finding out that somebody is a cop would not kill them right then and there or tell the other guys hey this guy is a criminal kill him before he turns us all in. It makes no sense. That's how you know he's a cop."

No, that's why he wanted Billy to tell him why he didn't tell nobody. Because he didn't know, either.

"First of all, MSNBC is a liberal station. Obviosuly they're gonna say that Obama won. LOL. Does it make it true?...But, this isn't an opinion that the Boston News reported. It's a fact that was confirmed by a Boston city police officer."

Exactly my point. Just because MSNBC says Obama won doesn't make it so. Similarly, just because a Boston news station said that the Boston PD confirmed Delahunt was a cop doesn't make it so. Unless of course you want to contend that police departments never ask for media cooperation so their investigations can continue. If you're really prepared to say that then we can go into that, too.

"How would they know Costello would stop looking for the rat?"

They didn't. But it was definitely a good idea.

"Costello said the cops are saying he's a cop so I won't look for the cop is because he tried to make any informant who was out of the woods know that Costello doesn't believe what the news reporter is saying..."

Exactly. He knows damn well Delahunt wasn't a cop. If he truly believed what he heard on the news, he would just say "Well that takes care of that. Sorry I accused you the other day, Billy."

"So the only logical way to get Costello to stop looking for the rat is make up a false report making Costello who's a smart criminal and has been operating for years without getting arrested believe that there was only one undercover guy in their department and nobody else and that Costello would actually believe that? LOL LMFAO Even the cops know Costello is not that stupid."

Or...OR! Since Costello was working with the FBI, he just had somebody do him a favor and find out if Delahunt was really a cop or not. The agent of course let him know that the whole news story thing was just a trick and someone still has an informant inside his crew.

"He didn't kill Captain Queenan it was him and four other ruthless criminals who threw Queenan off that building."

Oh, he only helped? I'm not sure on this one, but I'm pretty sure police departments frown on cops killing other cops just to maintain their cover even if it's only 'helpies.'

"He only shot one round out of the passenger when the van drove off. What did you expect him to do let them shoot at him."

Uh, yes. You're so convinced that Delahunt was an undercover cop willing to "help" murder high ranking police officers, it's not much of a stretch for you to believe that he would start shooting at other cops on the way out either I suppose.

"There goes your theory about cops never pulling out their guns and shooting anybody."

I took issue with your ludicrous claim that all police officers kill at least one person in their career. And listen, buddy. Just because you saw something in a movie doesn't mean it translates to real life. You understand that, right? If a cop kills someone in a movie that doesn't mean that every cop in real life will kill someone in real life at least once. Does that make sense to you or no?

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Same here. However, the original screenplay illustrates further why he could not be a cop and is just a nail in the coffin for you.

Like I said before that was the first version of the script. In the first version nothing is official. If it was official they wouldn't have 9 other drafts. Whats the point of having other drafts? What's the point of putting all that stuff with the news and Costello saying that about the news chanel report. Because at some point during one of the other 9 versions they decided to make Delahunt a cop. It's a very simple. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

Because he was the first one off the elevator, first one to draw his weapon, and the first one to point it at Queenan threateningly. Fitzy was just along for the ride.

So what if he was the first one out of the elevator. They all grabbed Queenan at the same damn time. All Delahunt did was take Queenans gun in fear that delahunt might shoot him. He pointed it and didn't shoot. He could've pointed it at Queenan and shot him saving everybody the trouble of throwing him off the building. I mean that would be the smart thing to do wouldn't it instead of throwing him of the building. Did you say Fitzy was along for the ride? LOL LMAO The guy seemed more aggressive then Delahunt was. Asking Queenan screaming at him "Where's your fuqqin' boy." It looked like Fitzy wanted to kill him more than Delahunt did.

Right. I'm sure the previous 10 years (haha) of being undercover didn't convince the guys yet. Yeah, you're right. He was probably just "playing along" by helping the murder of a high ranking police officer.

It's not about convincing them. It's about showing weakness. Like I said before and I guess I have to say it again. Was Delahunt supposed to stay in the corner to watch his men throw Queenan off a building. LOL LMAO Man your logic is stupid. Or was Delahunt supposed to say hey wait guys let's not do this. Let's just give him a slap on the wrist? LOL Come on let's not throw this man off, we're not criminals, we're saints. Come on we have consciences. We have morals and ethics. LOL LMAO. This s hit is too funny.

I don't associate with criminals, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that just because you have made bad decisions or have a short temper doesn't mean you suddenly have no morality whatsoever.

Criminals who have made bad decisions do not stay in the mob that long unless they were COPS. UNDERCOVER COPS. Delahunt didn't have a temper if you watch him through out the movie. All the other guys had more of a temper than he did. Delahunt was really quite, low key in the movie. Which is smart on his end being an undercover cop. Billy did worse s hit then Delahunt did and had a way bigger temper than he did, so Costigan was a real criminal too right?

Yes, I remember that line from the movie too. Cite a real statistic that backs that statement up instead of a quote from 'The Departed' and I may listen to you.

Well, you haven't given me a statistic that proves me wrong so I must be right.

Really? Boston saw 75 murders in a city of 600,000 people the year before this movie came out. That means 0.000125% of people were murdered. Yep. A real "crazy crime" haven, Beantown is. Look out D.C. and Detroit! ;)

Well yeah if you compare it to DC or Detroit sure. Detroit is bigger than Boston. But, it did have so many abductions or rapes or other serious s hit. The cops in Boston are very trigger happy.

Sure, anything's possible. But if that happened it would be a World Record. Highly unlikely Delahunt set the World Record.

It's a movie there is no record. A record is for real life. In a movie you have to have suspension of disbelief for it too work. You could only tell so much in 2 and a half hours.

No, that's why he wanted Billy to tell him why he didn't tell nobody. Because he didn't know, either.

Dude, are you stupid? That makes no sense at all. Delahunt was waiting for Billy to tell Delahunt why Delahunt didn't tell anybody about Billy? LOL LMFAO OH MY GOD. LOL The reason Delahunt says that is he wanted Billy to figure out that he's a cop too. That's the only logical explanation is he's a cop and he wants Billy to figure it out without actually saying. Other than that, that question makes absolutely no sense.

Exactly my point. Just because MSNBC says Obama won doesn't make it so. Similarly, just because a Boston news station said that the Boston PD confirmed Delahunt was a cop doesn't make it so. Unless of course you want to contend that police departments never ask for media cooperation so their investigations can continue. If you're really prepared to say that then we can go into that, too.

MSNBC was giving their opinion. The Boston news was not giving an opinion. News stations are not always wrong. This is a stupid comparison because your fighting against what is opinion and what is fact. For example, when some moron on MSNBC says Obama won he's fighting against a fact because he sucks Obama's dick. He's being biased at anything against Romney. When it comes to politics there is no facts just opinions. So even if most people like me said Romney won the debate that's still our opinion and not a fact because there's obviously stupid people who give there opinions that it was a tie.

Now with Boston news, he's not giving his opinion that Delahunt was a cop. He's giving a fact that Delahunt was an undercover cop for the Boston police department. That's a fact and not an opinion. A fact that was confirmed by the Boston Police department who said that. They would not lie about something like this because they have to reason to lie.

They didn't. But it was definitely a good idea.

Yeah I'm sure it was a really good idea to assume that Costello was so stupid that he would actually believe that there is only one guy in their whole department trying to stop him. I'm sure the cops really think Costello is that stupid and that naieve.

Exactly. He knows damn well Delahunt wasn't a cop. If he truly believed what he heard on the news, he would just say "Well that takes care of that. Sorry I accused you the other day, Billy."

How does Costello know that. Costello was an FBI informant himself and nobody knew it except Billy who was a cop himself. I don't think Costello even trusts himself let alone anybody else so he wouldn't know for sure whether Delahune was a cop or not.

"Well that takes care of that. Sorry I accused you the other day, Billy."

Why the hell would he say that, that would be stupid. Costello was saying that when everybody in his crew was there at the same time listening to the news. Costello was saying that because he wants to scare everybody by saying I'm still gonna look for the cop. Don't think you're out of the woods just yet. Costello was in denial and he didn't want to believe that delahunt was a cop and I'm sure Billy thought now that he found Delahunt was a cop he can stop looking for me but Costello knew there were others inside. He wanted to show everybody that he doesn't believe that delahunt was a cop cause it would show weakness and make Costello look stupid that he actually believes that there are no other rats inside.

Or...OR! Since Costello was working with the FBI, he just had somebody do him a favor and find out if Delahunt was really a cop or not. The agent of course let him know that the whole news story thing was just a trick and someone still has an informant inside his crew.

Why would the FBI tell him that delahunt was a cop or not? That would be pretty stupid on their part. That would make them look bad. Did the FBI even know that Delahunt was a cop? Maybe they didn't even know that.

Oh, he only helped? I'm not sure on this one, but I'm pretty sure police departments frown on cops killing other cops just to maintain their cover even if it's only 'helpies.'

How would the cops even know that Delahunt killed Queenan. There was 4 other guys. Delahunt could've said they came in their before me and through him off. Or he could say yeah it was unfortunate and there was nothing I could've done because those guys could of killed me. When you're undercover all bets are off. I guess you never knew that.

Uh, yes. You're so convinced that Delahunt was an undercover cop willing to "help" murder high ranking police officers, it's not much of a stretch for you to believe that he would start shooting at other cops on the way out either I suppose.

He wasn't willing to help murder a police captain he was rolling along for the ride as ordered by Costello. If he was there by himself he wouldn't off killed Queenan I GUARANTEE that. He would've told Queenan that he's a cop too. But, he wasn't by himself.

I took issue with your ludicrous claim that all police officers kill at least one person in their career. And listen, buddy. Just because you saw something in a movie doesn't mean it translates to real life. You understand that, right? If a cop kills someone in a movie that doesn't mean that every cop in real life will kill someone in real life at least once. Does that make sense to you or no?

95% of cops in this country have atleast killed somebody on duty. Most cops are trigger happy especially nowadays.

By the way, was Jimmy bags really an undercover cop for the Boston Police Department or was Dignam just saying that to make Billy believe that Billy was not the only one inside?








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I think it's kinda lame when writers or directors pull the ole' "Leave it up to the audience to decide" bit. Whether it's an ending or if someone is cop or not, seems like a way to try to explain/cover their a$$ for a plot hole....Well, was he a cop or not?!?!? WTF, someone knows the answer, right?...I think he was a cop personally, but whatever. Goodfellas seemed to have no plot holes (that I know of), but damn...The Departed, even though I enjoyed it, there were a couple "HUH?" moments...Jack Nicholson sure is a fun actor to watch though.

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The guy was a cop GUARANTEED.

First of all, when they're watching the news the news reporter says the body was identified as Timothy Delahunt, an undercover cop for the Boston Police Department. She didn't say he was an undercover cop she said he was identified as a cop meaning that the cops showed up their before the news vans did and they identified him as a cop. The cops identified him as an undercover cop so that means the news is not lying. If it was a lie how would knows even know that. What do you think they just pulled it out of their ass. Obviously he was dead, so there was no need to hide that fact any more. It wouldn't make a difference. It doesn't make any sense that the cops would make that up in order to protect somebody else undercover. The only other person that was undercover was Jimmy bags and he wasn't even part of Costellos crew. So that wouldn't work right there.

2. There's two reasons Costello said "The cops are saying he's a cop, so I won't look for the cop." 1. He was in such denial that he himself couldn't believe that this guy was a cop. It happens a lot in other movies where somebodies undercover and the boss later finds out and is in denial about it. But, most importantly the second reason Costello said that was to scare all the other guys and trick them into thinking they're out of the woods. So for example, if any other guy is undercover they just been sent a message loud and clear will not stop the search without actually saying it. Because like for example Billy thought now that they found the rat and he died I'm out of the woods Costello won't suspect me.

3. Now, as to way Delahunt helped them kill Queenan. Well what did you expect him to do? Take on five or six other guys and possibly blow his cover and get killed just to save a guy that he doesn't know from a whole in the wall. Come on. Are you kidding. When you're as deep undercover as Delahunt was you indulge in self deception where you your self doesn't believe that you're a cop. Because you crossed the line in order to save your own ass. The point of an undercover cop is to do everything possible to save you're identity. So when Delahunt died, it didn't make a difference whether Costello knew he was a cop or not.

4. Delahunt was shooting at the other cops. One of the guys broke protocol and didn't identify himself as a cop but instead started shooting like a fuqqin' maniac. What was Delahunt supposed to do stand there and take shots from this guy.

5. Delahunt was all ready to go with the address when he called Billy. Yeah he was in character. he was protecting his identity.

6. When Delahunt told said to Billy "Tell me why you didn't tell nobody" was to show that Delahunt was on his death bed and didn't know exactly what he was saying. He didn't make any sense because why in the fuqq would Billy tell anybody he's an undercover cop? So that question didn't make any sense. But, it could also be that Delahunt was so deep undercover that even on his death bed he didn't want Billy to know that he was a cop. So he still pretending to be a criminal. If was a criminal and not a cop he would of told those guys a about Billy guaranteed. He doesn't owe Billy *beep* and real criminals don;t get an attack of conscious when they're dying they're praying for GODs forgiveness. And also keep in mind that Delahunt wasn't as hurt in the van when Billy jumped in and he was on his dying death bed so he could of told them about Billy in the van and they would of killed him then and there.

The fact is he was a cop and very very deep undercover to the point where he would do anything to save his own ass. He didn't tell them about Billy cause he figured out that Billy was a cop and wanted him to get Costello.

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I don't agree it's as black-and-white as you make out.

1. I still don't buy it that Boston Police and Queenan's unit would both have undercovers in Costello's crew, without either of them being aware of each other. Why have a dedicated unit such as Queenan's, who are specialised in this kind of work, and then have seperate investigations going on with local state police? How many different law inforcement agencies are working on this case? Although it's not shown, I believe Captain Ellebry's unit fed this dis-information to the press, in order to make Costello think there was no longer a rat. Costello's reaction in my opinion was the correct one (ie the cops are saying he's a cop, so I won't look for the cop!)

Also, if he was truely an undercover BPD officer, then surely the BPD would not have knownly given out this information to the press, and risk there being reprocussions against Delahunt's family. If your undercover was killed, you wouldn't go telling everyone you had an undercover, you'd keep it quiet! It was disinformation.

2. I agree your second point, that Costell wanted the guys to still believe there was a rat, and to know that he wouldn't stop looking for them. But I don't think he is bluffing at all. I believe Costello knew Delahunt was a true criminal, and not cop. Delahunt was clearly in the gang longer than Billy, so are we to believe that BPD could have had an undercover in place longer that Queenan's unit? How? Why?

3. I simply don't agree that an undercover cop would participate in a pre-meditated murder. Even if it blew his cover, Delahunt would have killed Fitzy and the 2 other guys with his shotgun, rather than allowing them to kill Queenan. He would see from Queenan's badge what rank he was, and he would know that this man was an important part of the case against Costello. Therefore if Delahunt was a policeman, he would not have allowed him to die. The fact that Queenan was killed, tells me that Delahunt was a criminal. Put Costigan in Delahunt's shoes. Do you think Billy would have participated in the killing of the chief of police just to protect his cover? No chance.

4. Delahunt actually did not fire at the police. Watch again. He didn't get a chance to fire his shotgun before he took a round in the chest. This doesn't prove anything though because the cops clearly got him by surprize, and he didn't have time to react.

5. Do you mean Delahunt was being a cop, and gave Billy the wrong address on purpose to protect Billy's identity? I don't get it, that would instantly incriminate Billy because he didn't show up. Delahunt even told Billy 'I made a mistake, I gave you the wrong address'. If Delahunt was a cop, and he knew Billy was too, then together they could have saved Queenan?

6. Your point is very confusing, and you have mis-quoted Delahunt. He didn't ask Billy 'tell me why YOU didn't tell noboday?'. He said 'tell me why I didn't tell noboday.' He was asking Billy a retorical question, as in - 'I know you are a cop Billy, but I'll tell you why I didn't tell no-body, because I am an honorable guy, and I've seen enough people suffer in this business'. I would argue that anyone can get a conscious, even a criminal, especially on their death-bed. Delahunt was not the type of crimnal to rat out a young kid to a group of bloodthirsty gangsters. If Delahunt was a cop, and knew Billy was also a cop, he sure told him in a criptic manner! Why not just say 'Billy I'm BPD, get that b'tard for me!'.

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I still don't buy it that Boston Police and Queenan's unit would both have undercovers in Costello's crew, without either of them being aware of each other. Why have a dedicated unit such as Queenan's, who are specialised in this kind of work, and then have seperate investigations going on with local state police? How many different law inforcement agencies are working on this case? Although it's not shown, I believe Captain Ellebry's unit fed this dis-information to the press, in order to make Costello think there was no longer a rat. Costello's reaction in my opinion was the correct one (ie the cops are saying he's a cop, so I won't look for the cop!)

Why would they need to be aware of each other? That's stupid. Queenan kept Costigans identity from everybody because he was afraid there were moles inside the unit. Wahlberg even said "This place has more leaks than the Iragi Navi." The point is they kept every bodies identities confidential to avoid leaks for possible informants for Costello. That's the point of this whole movie. Yeah they have different people at different times without anybody knowing. That's smart. Haven't you ever seen movies where there's different cops after the same guy undercover and they don't know each other to keep their identity safe. There are a lot of different agencies work on the case to get Costello. The first one gets Costello the first one wins. That's the Game. To Get Costello. Why would anybody know each other's identites.

Why would Captain Elerby need to lie to the press to protect somebody that they don't even know is undercover. As far as they knew there were only two people in with Costello Jimmy Bags who wasn't part of Costello's crew so it wouldn't make sense to keep him safe since he has no direct contact with Costello. The other guy is Delahunt who is now dead. They didn't know anybody else. For all they knew it could've been Delahunt working for Boston PD but still working with Queenan to move ahead. They didn't know that.

Also, if he was truely an undercover BPD officer, then surely the BPD would not have knownly given out this information to the press, and risk there being reprocussions against Delahunt's family. If your undercover was killed, you wouldn't go telling everyone you had an undercover, you'd keep it quiet! It was disinformation.

Why would they risk reprocussions from the family? Delahunt was undercover so why would he even tell Costello he had a family? For all they knew Costello didn't even know that Delahunt had a family. And even if he did why the *beep* would Costello go after his family after he's dead? That right there makes no sense. What good would that do for Costello. Can you imagine if Delahunt's family was found dead. The Boston PD would crack down on him even worse. It makes no sense to protect the identity of an undercover cop after he's dead. When Costigan got killed there were news reporters and they said the same thing after they discovered Costigan was an undercover cop and it was reported to the news because it didn't matter anymore he was dead.

2. I believe Costello knew Delahunt was a true criminal, and not cop. Delahunt was clearly in the gang longer than Billy, so are we to believe that BPD could have had an undercover in place longer that Queenan's unit? How? Why?

How would Costello truely know that? Costello was an informant himself and nobody even knew that. They point is nobody knew anything for sure. Delahunt was good at being a criminal and indulging in self deception in order to protect himself. That's the fuqqin point. There's cops who have been undercover for 5 to 10 years or more in MOB family and nobody knew about it. What difference does it make how long he's been undercover? The thing is he's been self deceiving himself. Haven't you ever seen Donnie Brasco. Based on real life. They actually thought he was a real life criminals. It's a pretty common thing for cops to be that deep undercover.

I simply don't agree that an undercover cop would participate in a pre-meditated murder. Even if it blew his cover, Delahunt would have killed Fitzy and the 2 other guys with his shotgun, rather than allowing them to kill Queenan. He would see from Queenan's badge what rank he was, and he would know that this man was an important part of the case against Costello. Therefore if Delahunt was a policeman, he would not have allowed him to die. The fact that Queenan was killed, tells me that Delahunt was a criminal. Put Costigan in Delahunt's shoes. Do you think Billy would have participated in the killing of the chief of police just to protect his cover? No chance.

3. It was more than 2 guys it was atleast five or six guys atleast. Probably more. That's why they used a van instead of two cars. He would of shot one guy and the other guys would've killed him. They would of pulled out there gun and killed him. Do you seriously believe that delahunt would risk his own life and getting killed by the other guys for a guy that he doesn't know just because he looked at his badge? You must be a complete idiot if you believe that. Your logic is stupid and makes no sense.

Costigan was paranoid and afraid for his life 24/7. He would've participated in the murder for sure in order to save his own ass. Any person with a brain and who was paranoid with do anything to save their own ass. It's every man for himself when you're in that situation. It's stupid that anybody would think delahunt would take on six or 7 other guys in order to save a guy he doesn't know from a hole in the wall.

4. Delahunt actually did not fire at the police. Watch again. He didn't get a chance to fire his shotgun before he took a round in the chest. This doesn't prove anything though because the cops clearly got him by surprize, and he didn't have time to react.

Even if he was about to shoot his gun and didn't that still proves my point that it was a manic cop who didn't follow protocol and killed him. I think that was the whole point of that scene was to show that delahunt protected his own identity by killing Queenan when he's a cop only to unexpectedly get killed out of nowhere by another cop. That's the irony of the whole thing.

5. Do you mean Delahunt was being a cop, and gave Billy the wrong address on purpose to protect Billy's identity? I don't get it, that would instantly incriminate Billy because he didn't show up. Delahunt even told Billy 'I made a mistake, I gave you the wrong address'. If Delahunt was a cop, and he knew Billy was too, then together they could have saved Queenan?


No that's not what I meant. I was responding to a poster who tried to convicne somebody that Delahunt was a criminal because he looked ready to go in the van with the address to give to Costigan. He accidentally gave Costigan the wrong address and Costigan showed up to the right one that's how only Delahunt figured out he was a cop and nobody else even though everybody heard him in the van giving him the wrong address. That's another reason Delahunt is a cop he figured it and nobody else did. When they all heard him give Costigan the wrong address but only Delahunt picked up on it because he was a cop himself.

6. Your point is very confusing, and you have mis-quoted Delahunt. He didn't ask Billy 'tell me why YOU didn't tell noboday?'. He said 'tell me why I didn't tell noboday.' He was asking Billy a retorical question, as in - 'I know you are a cop Billy, but I'll tell you why I didn't tell no-body, because I am an honorable guy, and I've seen enough people suffer in this business'. I would argue that anyone can get a conscious, even a criminal, especially on their death-bed. Delahunt was not the type of crimnal to rat out a young kid to a group of bloodthirsty gangsters. If Delahunt was a cop, and knew Billy was also a cop, he sure told him in a criptic manner! Why not just say 'Billy I'm BPD, get that b'tard for me!'.

Even if he did say that. That still doesn't prove anything. Why would Delahunt care about Billy if he wasn't a cop. If he was a criminal he would tell them in the van when he wasn't as badly hurt and was dying yet. He would've told them that figured out by this guy showing up to the wrong address. He would've told them that in the van and he would've killed Billy himself while he was just only shot and not losing a lot of blood. Why would Delahunt need to tell Billy that he's a cop? The guy was self deceiving himself. He wouldn't tell anybody that he's a cop even on his death bed. If Delahunt was really a criminal why would he let Billy take down his own people that he knew for years? Also that scene when they're guessing cops Delahunt initiated that whole thing because he was self deceiving himself to make Fitzy think he was a criminal.

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Also another point that proves that Delahunt was a cop. When Billy shows up at the right address when given the wrong one. As soon as everybody is getting in the van Delahunt sees that Billy is there and figured out that Billy was a cop. He says to Billy "get in the van you're late". If Delahunt was a criminal he would of shot and killed Costigan right then there before even getting shot by that maniac cop. After he would've shot and killed Billy the other guys would ask him why did you do that. Delahunt would've said I accidentally gave him the wrong address but he showed up at the right one. He's a cop. Instead he tell him to get in the van. With Queenan it was an unfortunate sitaution that was way beyond Delahunt's control and there was nothing he could've done about it. besides Queenan was old and delahunt figured I wish I would've of saved his life but he's old and there was nothing I could've done. But atleast with Costigan he's young I could protect him.

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Wow, you sound like a 12 year old. Can you not have an exchange of ideas with without call someone an idiot?

By your logic, the BPD could have another undercover in the group, and they are feeding that information to the press, exactly like Costello says. There is no way to prove it either way.

Also, why on earth would BPD announce that Delahunt was a cop, if it was true? Give me one reason that they would benefit from this? They wouldn't. I don't see how this is anything but a double bluff by someone, which Costello see's through instantly.

Ok, Delahunt knew they were heading to heavy work, but we don't know if Costello told them to kill him Queenan or not. But they were obviously told the guy in the building would be rat's contact, hence Fitzy saying 'where's yer boy???' (ie where is your informant?). So are you telling me that Delahunt, being a cop himself according to you, didn't maybe think that this guy could be a high-ranking police officer, and that I need to think about saving his life?? Maybe Frank would like to take him alive? Look at the scene again, Delahunt is straigh out the lift, and grabs Queenan's gun. If he was a cop as you say, it appears he had the situation under control. Are you telling me he would then knowingly kill Queenan, or allow it to happen, and expect to get away with it, just cause he was undercover? *beep*

Nothing proves Delahunt was a cop. Nothing. Get of your horse. In fact, your 2nd post is completely made up. Delahunt is shot, he doesn't even speak to Billy. It is Fitzy who shouts at Billy 'you're late, get in the van'.

Also, can you explain the criptic nature of Delahunt's confession? Why doesn't Delahunt just say to Billy that they are both cops? Why doesn't Delahunt use his time to give Billy information about his contacts? Why does Billy panic and go for his gun? The criptic nature of his confession suggests to me he is a criminal, and he is chosing to save Billy's life. Just because he is a criminal, doesn't mean he isn't honorable.

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Wow, you sound like a 12 year old. Can you not have an exchange of ideas with without call someone an idiot?

I just tell it how I see it.

By your logic, the BPD could have another undercover in the group, and they are feeding that information to the press, exactly like Costello says. There is no way to prove it either way.

Yeah they could but keep in mind we don't even know which department told the news the info. We don't know that it was Elerby who told the news it could've been a captain with the BPD that told them that and maybe he feels he didn't have to protect Delahunt anymore because he was dead. Not everybody thinks like Costello and wouldn't even think to themselves that Costello would figure out that they might've of did that to stop him from looking for the rat. They told the news because it was a fact that the guy was an undercover cop. If somebody told the news about it that means it's true and the new the guy for many years and saw no reason to hide the fact that he was one of them. Why would the cops need to lie to the news just because Costello was in denial and could't except that he was being played by a guy who he thought was a gangster. It makes no sense for the cops to hide this guy's identity when he's dead. No sense and no logic at all.

Also, why on earth would BPD announce that Delahunt was a cop, if it was true? Give me one reason that they would benefit from this? They wouldn't. I don't see how this is anything but a double bluff by someone, which Costello see's through instantly.

Who said that they needed to benefit from it? Why would they need to benefit off of a guy who they knew for years as possibly a friend and was a fellow cop who was undercover and got killed. Why would they need to benefit from it. They told them that because it's a fact. Not because they need to benefit or not need to benefit. It had nothing to do with benefitting. The cops felt bad they lost a fellow cop and a friend and they told the news so he could be recognized as one of their own and also maybe make the people in Boston feel bad that another office died in the line of duty for a greater good.

Ok, Delahunt knew they were heading to heavy work, but we don't know if Costello told them to kill him Queenan or not. But they were obviously told the guy in the building would be rat's contact, hence Fitzy saying 'where's yer boy???' (ie where is your informant?). So are you telling me that Delahunt, being a cop himself according to you, didn't maybe think that this guy could be a high-ranking police officer, and that I need to think about saving his life?? Maybe Frank would like to take him alive? Look at the scene again, Delahunt is straigh out the lift, and grabs Queenan's gun. If he was a cop as you say, it appears he had the situation under control. Are you telling me he would then knowingly kill Queenan, or allow it to happen, and expect to get away with it, just cause he was undercover? *beep*

Again whether Costello told them or not is irrelevant. The fact is they through him out of the building. How the *beep* was Deluhunt supposed to know they were gonna throw him off the building. He grabs Queenans gun because he thought he could protect him but the other guys came in seconds in and throws him off the building. He tried to protect him. Maybe he didn't get an chance. The point is he was undercover and protecting himself before anybody. You're always missing the point with something irrelevant.

Nothing proves Delahunt was a cop. Nothing. Get of your horse. In fact, your 2nd post is completely made up. Delahunt is shot, he doesn't even speak to Billy. It is Fitzy who shouts at Billy 'you're late, get in the van'.

I gave a whole bunch of points that proves Delahunt was a cop including the news report which was true. You're just too delusional to believe it. You can't accept reality.

I haven't seen the ending in a while but either way if it was Fitzy what difference does it make? The fact that Delahunt figured out it was Billy who was the rat by the address mix up. If he was really a cold hearted criminal and loyal to Costello and not a cop like you claim he would've killed Billy right then and there or he would've told the other guys in the van. Right away. Hey look this guy showed up to the right address when I gave him the wrong one. He's a cop. let's kill him. It's the fact he didn't even acknowledge it until he was on his death bed. When a real criminal figures out that somebody is a cop they kill them right away without giving them a chance to bust them unless they're an undercover cop themselves. Even before he was shot. Those other guys heard him give Billy the wrong address. The fact is Delhunt was trying to protect Billy because he was yoong and he didn't want a young cop to get killed. If Delahunt was a criminal he would've told them even before he was on his death bed. Ther was absolutely nothing he could've done to save Queenan's life. Absolutely nothing. It was an unfortunate sitaution.

Also, can you explain the criptic nature of Delahunt's confession? Why doesn't Delahunt just say to Billy that they are both cops? Why doesn't Delahunt use his time to give Billy information about his contacts? Why does Billy panic and go for his gun? The criptic nature of his confession suggests to me he is a criminal, and he is chosing to save Billy's life. Just because he is a criminal, doesn't mean he isn't honorable.

Why would he need to tell Billy that he's a cop? Why does Billy need to know that? Billy reached for his gun because he was paranoid and the guy just told him that he figured out that he was a cop. Criminals hate cops. He would tell his other guys about Costigan but instead he chose to talk to him in private which made no sense unless he was actually a cop. Delahunt had been on the job for years and was professional so why the fuqq would he give contacts to Billy? Would good would that do for him. For all he knew Billy could've had his contacts and then spill them to Costello by playing both sides. A professional like Delahunt would not give him any information about his identity even when he's dying. It would be pretty stupid. You gotta use a little common sense.





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It is simple actually, but not very the reason you named. He said "tell me why I didn't tell nobody" because he was looking for answers on his deathbed why he didn't sell out Billy as the rat. He was part of Costello's crew and that was his duty, to let Costello know who the informant was if he found him. But he didn't. So he wanted to know why. If he was a cop, obviously he would know why he didn't let Costello know that Billy was also a cop so there would be no need to ask such a question.

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I don't think anything you just wrote makes any sense. LOL LMFAO

Why the fuqq would he ask Billy why he didn't tell anybody? LOL Oh my GOD. What possible answer would Billy tell him of why he didn't tell anybody about him.

Read your s hit again. Does it make any sense to you? Seriously. Does it make sense?

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It doesn't make sense to you because it is logical. You have come to the conclusion that Delahunt was a cop despite the fact that he murdered a police captain, shot at other police officers as he made his daring escape, and would have been undercover for a record amount of time. Therefore, it is obvious you have made your judgments on emotion alone or are just too embarrassed to concede that you made a mistake.

For the reason why he asked that question, see my response to the poster above.

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It doesn't make sense to you because it is logical. You have come to the conclusion that Delahunt was a cop despite the fact that he murdered a police captain, shot at other police officers as he made his daring escape, and would have been undercover for a record amount of time. Therefore, it is obvious you have made your judgments on emotion alone or are just too embarrassed to concede that you made a mistake.

Again, he didn't murder a police captain. Him and 4 other guys threw Queenan off the building. There was nothing Delahunt could do about it. Get it through your head. THERE WAS NOTHING DELAHUNT COULD DO ABOUT IT.

He shot one round off to hide his identity. He was putting on a show because at that time he wasn't sure if he was gonna die.

I didn't make any mistake. The guy is a cop and only an idiot can't see that. It's very obvious that he's a cop. Watch the movie again. Pay attention to the way Delahunt acts through out the movie.

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"Again, he didn't murder a police captain. Him and 4 other guys threw Queenan off the building. There was nothing Delahunt could do about it. Get it through your head. THERE WAS NOTHING DELAHUNT COULD DO ABOUT IT."

Like I said in my previous post that you didn't reply too, I'm pretty sure police departments frown on their undercover officers murdering police captains even if it's only "helpies." Nothing he cold do about it? He had a shotgun and nobody else had their guns drawn. He also had Queenan's pistol. So Delahunt has two guns and everybody else has 0. Since when did "Boston PD! All of you get down on your knees and put your hands on your head."equate to "nothing"? Oh, that's right. Because he's the worst undercover ever and couldn't take the boss down after TEN YEARS of being inside. So of course he couldn't reveal himself yet because he wanted a chance to save his job at the Boston PD, since he had to have been extremely close to getting fired.

He shot two rounds, actually. Watch the scene again. There might even be a third shot at the very end of the scene. That's more than putting on a show. Even if it was "putting on a show," how do you think that "show" is going to go over back in Delahunt's captain's office? "So what'd you do today, Tim? How's progress?" "Progress is good, sir. I 'helped' murder a police captain over at the staties and then I started blasting at them as I made my getaway!" "Keep up the good work, Tim." Give me a break.

You're the quintessential example of a horse that can be led to water but not made to drink. I have explained away any absurd reason that you have brought to my attention of why you think Delahunt is a cop, but you choose to simply rehash things you have already said and use personal attacks to "defend" your views.

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Like I said in my previous post that you didn't reply too, I'm pretty sure police departments frown on their undercover officers murdering police captains even if it's only "helpies." Nothing he cold do about it? He had a shotgun and nobody else had their guns drawn. He also had Queenan's pistol. So Delahunt has two guns and everybody else has 0. Since when did "Boston PD! All of you get down on your knees and put your hands on your head."equate to "nothing"? Oh, that's right. Because he's the worst undercover ever and couldn't take the boss down after TEN YEARS of being inside. So of course he couldn't reveal himself yet because he wanted a chance to save his job at the Boston PD, since he had to have been extremely close to getting fired.

LOL. LMFAO. This s hit is way too funny. They frown on somebody that they didn't even know killed Queenan. There were 4 guys throwing him off the building. Maybe 5. They're gonna frown Delahunt when they didn't even know he threw him off the building.

So let me get this straight. You want Delahuntto break his cover and arrest for other guys because he had a shot gun and then took Queenans gun. If he was gonna break his cover wouldn't it be easier to let Queenan keep his gun so he could've helped him shoot those other guys. So I guess Delahunt is so talented that he can cock and shoot his shot gun with one hand while firing Queenans gun with his other hand. LOL LMFAO. They had guns on them that they could've easily pulled out while Delahunt was shooting one guy. Or they could've used Queenan as a hostage. Yeah, I'm sure delahunt was gonna tell those other guys he freeze I'm a cop you're all under arrest when he didn't have any solid evidence on Costello and know back up. LMFAO. LOL OH Man OH Man.

He shot two rounds, actually. Watch the scene again. There might even be a third shot at the very end of the scene. That's more than putting on a show. Even if it was "putting on a show," how do you think that "show" is going to go over back in Delahunt's captain's office? "So what'd you do today, Tim? How's progress?" "Progress is good, sir. I 'helped' murder a police captain over at the staties and then I started blasting at them as I made my getaway!" "Keep up the good work, Tim." Give me a break.

Well we don't really see Delahunt with any contacts because he's not a huge character. Why would he admit to murdering Queenan when he really didn't. He didn't make his gateaway. He was shot and shot a round off to hide his identity. Just like Billy did all those things. I guess when Billy knocked out Jimmy Bags teeth, Dignam threw Costigan in jail for assault.

You're the quintessential example of a horse that can be led to water but not made to drink. I have explained away any absurd reason that you have brought to my attention of why you think Delahunt is a cop, but you choose to simply rehash things you have already said and use personal attacks to "defend" your views.

If I was a hrose and you led me to water I wouldn't drink it cause that water would probably be poisen and I wouldn't trust you because all you tell me is bulls hit.

I gave you so many reasons that delahunt is an undercover cop but even you're in denial about it. I guess it's true what they say most people are just stupid.



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"This guy Vladimir whorowitz or whatever is a complete idiot. It's like talking to a brick wall."

Christ. You're a child. Back to the ol' "Anybody who disagrees with my views are of low intelligence" bit, eh? Bodhi likes that one, too. What's next? You going to call me a "poo-poo face" in your next post? Like I just finished explaining to Bodhi, if you want to ignore the truth, that's just fine. I have outlined for you why undercover cops are not allowed to even assist in the murder of police officers and how media organizations cooperate with law enforcement. You come back to me trying to equate Billy breaking a glass over some degenerate's head with Delahunt throwing police captains off buildings and shooting at other cops. You come back to me saying that Delahunt wanted Billy to know he's a cop, but provide absolutely no reason for this baffling and extremely out of place scenario. I am very sorry but that just will not cut it. Stick to fighting far-left America on Barack Obama's page. I noticed you used hard data and facts to point out his failures. It works much better than the personal attacks and nonsensical conjecture that you tried to use to get your point across, here.

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Christ. You're a child. Back to the ol' "Anybody who disagrees with my views are of low intelligence" bit, eh? Bodhi likes that one, too. What's next? You going to call me a "poo-poo face" in your next post?

Like I said, I just call it how I see it. No I don't think people who disagree with me are idiots. I just think you're one because most of everything you said make absolutely no sense at all. People who say things that don't make any sense are obviously idiots and morons. Plain and simple.

if you want to ignore the truth, that's just fine. I have outlined for you why undercover cops are not allowed to even assist in the murder of police officers and how media organizations cooperate with law enforcement

I don't ignore the truth I speak it when I say Delahunt was a cop GUARANTEED. You're just too dumb to pay attention to the movie and see that.

How the fuqq did you outline for me or gave me proof that cops are not allowed to assist in a murder. You gave your opinion and not a fact. You say it like that's a fact that cops are not allowed to participate in murders. So lets say for example Costello put Costigan to the test and said kill this guy and Costigan doesn't do it. What is Costello supposed to say "hey Billy cops are not allowed to part take in murders because they're cops. So, if lets say for example Costello found out French was a cop and Costello said to Billy kill this guy he's a cop to prove to me you're not a cop. Billy is gonna say sorry Frank I can't do it.

Yeah media organizations cooperate with law but what does that have to do with them making up a story to the press to make Costello stop looking for the rat.

I was making a point that Billy smashing somebodies head as a way to show that Billy has to do what he has to do to prove he's not a cop. What if Billy was in that same situation where he was with those guys and they had to throw Queenan of the building. What would Billy do then. Stand there and watch them kill Queenan? He would be forced to help them.

You come back to me saying that Delahunt wanted Billy to know he's a cop, but provide absolutely no reason for this baffling and extremely out of place scenario.

What the hell are you talking about? LOL I provided you a lot of reasons. Why don't you go back and read my posts and pay attention to what I write. Is it out of place that Delahunt didn't kill Billy knowing he was a cop. Or maybe because it's Delahunt who you claim is a criminal got an attack of conscience and wants to protect a rat that he doesn't know from a hole in the wall from Costello a guy he has been loyal to for 10 years like you say. Just because you claim he got an attack of conscience. LOL

I am very sorry but that just will not cut it. Stick to fighting far-left America on Barack Obama's page. I noticed you used hard data and facts to point out his failures. It works much better than the personal attacks and nonsensical conjecture that you tried to use to get your point across, here.

I wish you were sorry for the fact that you're either blind or stupid. I'm sure you're not blind so that makes you stupid then.

I stick to fighting idiots. Doesn't matter how many different pages it's on. Because idiots have to be brought to the light.

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"obviously idiots and morons", "You're just too dumb", "that makes you stupid", "fighting idiots."

NO U R STOOPID CUZ UR DUM AND UR MOM IS PROB FAT LMFAOOOO AT UR DUMNISS LOLZ

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"obviously idiots and morons", "You're just too dumb", "that makes you stupid", "fighting idiots."

Like I said I just call it how I see it.


NO U R STOOPID CUZ UR DUM AND UR MOM IS PROB FAT LMFAOOOO AT UR DUMNISS LOLZ

Just because other people call your mother fat. Doesn't mean you have to talk about your own mother like that.

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"Just because other people call your mother fat. Doesn't mean you have to talk about your own mother like that."

I KNO U R BUT WUT AM I!!!111

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I KNO U R BUT WUT AM I!!!111

That's good that you know I'm smart. So that makes you dumb. You are a JOKE.

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NO!! NO!!!! UR JOKE CUZ UR FUNY AN U MAK ME LOLZ 4 SRSLY IM SOO SMRT IM LIK DAT EINSTINE DELHNT IZ COP

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NO!! NO!!!! UR JOKE CUZ UR FUNY AN U MAK ME LOLZ 4 SRSLY IM SOO SMRT IM LIK DAT EINSTINE DELHNT IZ COP

See, I knew I could get you to admit Delahunt was a cop. You're right I am funny. You don't even have a single tiny brain cell how could you be like Einstein. LOL LMFAO

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YA HIS COP FER SUUURR AN SO WUZ COSTELO

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You know plrud, Scorcese himself has said it's open to view interpretation? Therefore you are obviously calling Scorcese an idiot, cause obviously you don't agree with part of his opinion?

Nothing, NOTHING you have said proves he was a cop. Show me Delahunt's police badge, or learn to accept differing opinon.

But I'm sure we can resolve this like the mature adults that we are, isn't that right, Mr Poopy-pants!?!

'an almost George Lucasian (!) fit of ass hattery'

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Actually, most people agree that it's not even a question that Delahunt wasn't a cop. Scroll through the past posts in this thread. They've simply got tired of a new poster popping up every once in awhile talking about how this guy was a cop. It appears that I'm the only one with the patience and/or stamina to keep explaining it over and over.


"...his conversation with Billy doesn't make sense if he isn't a cop. He was obviously a cop and was protecting Billy when he realized he was undercover as well."

No, his conversation wouldn't make sense if he WAS a cop. What's the point of asking "Tell me why I didn't tell nobody?" if he was a cop? If he was a cop, he already knew why he didn't tell nobody. Because he didn't want to blow a fellow officer's cover! It doesn't get any simpler than that. Why waste your dying breath asking a question that you already know the answer to? Complete nonsense.

What's that you say? He wanted to give Billy a big hint that he was also a cop? Okay, let's say that's true. That's absurd and makes no sense but let's say it's true. What would be the point of that? Ok, Billy now knows that the dead guy in front of him was a law enforcement officer. Nothing changes. Delahunt is still dead and Billy is still undercover. But of course, this conversation is not even the most glaringly obvious reveal that Delahunt could not have been a cop. Everyone forgets that Delahunt murdered a police captain and shot at police officers as he made his getaway. This guy "plrud" or whatever claims that "Oh, well...he only HELPED so it's not that big of a deal." I've never heard anybody say that yet but that seriously made me laugh out loud. Anybody with common sense would laugh at that, I think. For obvious reasons.

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Actually, most people agree that it's not even a question that Delahunt wasn't a cop. Scroll through the past posts in this thread. They've simply got tired of a new poster popping up every once in awhile talking about how this guy was a cop. It appears that I'm the only one with the patience and/or stamina to keep explaining it over and over.

Most people don't agree. It's 9 for 10. 10 people say he was a criminal and 9 say he was a cop. That's just one more. So all we need is another guy to come in and say he was a cop and we'd be tied.

No, his conversation wouldn't make sense if he WAS a cop. What's the point of asking "Tell me why I didn't tell nobody?" if he was a cop? If he was a cop, he already knew why he didn't tell nobody. Because he didn't want to blow a fellow officer's cover! It doesn't get any simpler than that. Why waste your dying breath asking a question that you already know the answer to? Complete nonsense.

He said that so Billy can figure out that he's a cop. Without actually saying that. It makes no sense for Delahunt to ask Billy and have Billy give him reasons of why Delahunt is a cop. makes no sense. What was Billy supposed to tell him other than hey you're a cop too, that's why you didn't tell anybody. It's common logic well accept maybe for you.

What's that you say? He wanted to give Billy a big hint that he was also a cop? Okay, let's say that's true. That's absurd and makes no sense but let's say it's true. What would be the point of that? Ok, Billy now knows that the dead guy in front of him was a law enforcement officer. Nothing changes. Delahunt is still dead and Billy is still undercover. But of course, this conversation is not even the most glaringly obvious reveal that Delahunt could not have been a cop. Everyone forgets that Delahunt murdered a police captain and shot at police officers as he made his getaway. This guy "plrud" or whatever claims that "Oh, well...he only HELPED so it's not that big of a deal." I've never heard anybody say that yet but that seriously made me laugh out loud. Anybody with common sense would laugh at that, I think. For obvious reasons.

There is no point he's dying and he just wanted to talk to Billy in private and let him know that he figured out that he's a cop and the reason he didn't tell anybody was for Billy to figure out that he's a cop because other people could've been walking by and if Delahunt would of said hey I'm a cop the other guys would of heard it and asked themselves why is he privately telling Billy all of this. Notice he never tells Billy that Billy is a rat all he said was I gave you the wrong address and you showed up at the right one. That's how he figured it out.

Again he didn't murder a police captain he was undercover. Playing the role of a criminal. That's what undercover people do just like Billy cracking somebodies head hit a bottle and beating two guys near death with a coat hanger. So I guess Billy is a real criminal too. After doing all of that.

This guy Vladimir whorowitz or whatever is a complete idiot. It's like talking to a brick wall. The guy makes no sense and makes me laugh so hard that I'm literally on the floor pissing myself.

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"He will never get it. Anyone who thinks Delahunt wasn't a cop is a moron. I'm sorry but it's true. It's completely obvious that he was a cop."

You don't have to apologize to me, son. I have encountered many people in my life with the "Anybody who doesn't agree with me is of low intelligence" attitude. Not too many since I graduated high school, but I am well familiar with your mindset. If you want to watch this movie with blinders on, then that's your prerogative. You take care now, Bodhi.

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Am I the only one in this thread who thinks Vladimir_Horowitz makes the most sense? To the people arguing that Delahunt was a cop, look at your posts again. It's simply BAFFLING how you guys will say anything in order to make your opinion seem legit and credible. Sure, everyone's gonna have different opinions, but with all the name-calling and nonsense (looking at you, plrud) that's been thrown around in this thread, it just loses all validity and actually makes those opinions laughable. Especially if you're not gonna argue about them maturely (ala, PLRUD).

Anyways, I feel that it's more logical to explain that the reason why Delahunt didn't say anything about Billy being the rat is because he didn't care anymore. Maybe he felt bad about all the suffering he's caused people from the lifestyle he chose to live. You have to keep in mind that gangsters and thugs, yeah, they're REAL PEOPLE. THEY CAN FEEL EMOTIONS. Hell, MAYBE THEY CAN FEEL BAD TOO. They're not all vicious, aggressive, killing machines. Delahunt probably realized that if he wasn't involved with this shady business, he wouldn't have gotten himself in this awful mess. He even said so himself he didn't want his dead body to be thrown in a dumpster and to me, that explains A LOT. You know why? Because it's dishonorable and he probably thought he deserved more than that. People throw their trash and garbage in a fuqqing dumpster. I know if I was gonna die, I wouldn't want my body to be thrown in a dumpster like I didn't mean anything to anyone.

If I was Billy, my guess would be he didn't care about what happens anymore since he's realized that it's not worth it. Any of it.


Delahunt couldn't be an undercover cop. He would have to be undercover for so long if that's the case then. And yet, you guys say that lots of people become undercover cops for many, many years. If he was that dedicated to his job, riddle me this, WHY DID HE LET A POLICE OFFICER GET KILLED RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM?

And y'all just be like, "cuz he don't wanna blow his cover, lawlz."

That seems pretty fuqqing stupid to me. That's highly implausible because a cop was taught not to let such things happen. In other words, they can't create their own crimes or participate in such. That's NOT what staying undercover is all about. Take Billy, for instance. He may have joined Costello's gang as an undercover, but did you seem him participate in the crimes they've committed? Exactly, he FUQQING DIDN'T.

Therefore, Delahunt being an undercover cop this whole time makes NO SENSE whatsoever.

If I can't have you, I don't want nobody baby...

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You are the saddest person I've come across on these boards. You have been going on for over a *beep* YEAR trying to make your point and still you failed.

He was a cop. Why? Because the *beep* news would not say he was a cop if he was not a cop. The police were there and they identified him -> cop. Stop your *beep* cause clearly you're on the wrong side of this. Idiot.

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It's rather hypocritical you call me sad and an idiot. You sound like you have no idea what you're talking about and are just running with what the sheeple in this thread are saying. How does it feel like not having enough intelligence to come up with your own opinions, little lamb? Or maybe I should communicate in a language you're more familiar with: baaaa baaaa baaa?

Waste of space biotch. 

Dreams unwind, Love's a state of mind.

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Says the person who replies to a 2,5 year old comment. I rest my case, you've proven my point. You still go on and on about the same *beep* years later. Idiot.

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it's left ambiguous (whether he was a cop or not), I suppose with slightly more weight appearing to strengthen the 'not a cop' case.

This can all be gathered from the deleted scene of 'Delahunt and Billy', and it's accompanying commentary by Scorsese (found as bonus material on official DVDs). Scorsese says, "Is Delahunt really a cop? It's an interesting point, one could look at it that way" i.e. he does not debunk the argument that Delahunt is a cop. He admits that there is no concrete answer to whether he is a cop or not.

The deleted scene itself appears to strengthen the case that Delahunt wasn't a cop. As highlight by another poster, it shows Delahunt saying to Billy such things as, "the boss asked me if one of the other guys is a rat would I take him out... I told him I would but I dunno if I would... now I know I can't." This implies that the reason Delahunt does not tell anyone Billy is a rat, is simply because he doesn't want to see Billy killed.

However a deleted scene is just that - a scene deleted from the final cut for one reason or another. Scorsese does not say why the scene is deleted, for all we know the scene may have been deleted for the exact reason of the 'Delahunt is a cop' angle being left more open.

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