The only time I feel bad about not having sex is when everyone goes on about how *they* feel bad about having sex, and how they MUST have sex NOW. It then triggers FOMO in me, and makes me wonder if I should be having sex too, whether or not I particularly want to.
Don't get me wrong; sex is fun and mostly a positive experience. But unless you want kids, it's NOT *essential* and there are other pleasurable things to do.
I can't help thinking that Western society's inisistence on sex, and sex-shaming in general, is part of the neoliberal capitalist need to make money (i.e. force people to wear the right clothes, right cosmetics, go to the gym etc). The irony is, I probably care more about how I look, and probably work out more, than most of the guys I know my age, who are married/in relationships. Having pride in oneself isn't all about 'scoring with chicks' FFS. Sorry if that seems paradoxically 'misogynist' (I've noticed this weird trend in which abstinent men are now being shamed as 'misogynists' for not wanting sex; first it was being TOO horny, now it's not being horny enough; it seems that WHATEVER men do is 'misogynist', but maybe it all comes down to FEMALE INSECURITY, and the need for women to be put on a pedestal; as soon as men realise, hey, we don't necessarily need women, women lose their power. Boo-fucking-hoo. That's NOT misogynist. It's called PRIDE and SELF-SUFFICIENCY, which is something women are expected to be praised for, so why not men?)
What??? Us (men) wanting sex (usually with women) is part of keeping our species alive (reproducing)... So you might have an unusual low sex drive... but wanting sex is in our DNA which is why we pursue women. Sure most men are more civilised today than in the stone age... and we often wish to just have sex and not get the woman pregnant... but we still have that urge/desire... sure you don't need vaginal penetration to have fun/pleasure... but the way you write 'pleasurable things' I understand that as basically masturbation (please correct me if I am wrong)... and you can not compaire masturbation with that of being with a woman... both are nice but one of them is better;-)
I honestly believe being abstinent is unnatural... but I do recognize that some men have a very low sex drive (but that is not the majority)... so I am not saying you have to have sex... if you don't have that urge by all means be abstinent... But if you are advocating we just leave woman alone (and handle our own business) I think you are fighting a lost cause:-)
I didn't mean 'masturbation' (but, yes, I suppose that is an option).
And many men (AND women) are shy, reticent, have low confidence, and so on. Without wishing to seem 'sexist', this arguably matters more for men than it does for women, since men are still mostly required to 'make the first move' (although I also acknowledge that women have their OWN problems, with respect to unwanted advances and harassment etc). What's the point of putting pressure on these people, women and men, to HAVE SEX, or feel BAD about NOT having sex? Unless you can guarantee that every man and woman can have sex if and when they want it (and you CAN'T, because NO ONE is entitled to sex), then it's pointless putting that pressure on people.
It would be akin to saying "If you don't own a Porsche, you're a failure," or "We should all aspire to be President of the United States". What's the point of putting those likely unfulfilled burdens on people? Isn't it FAR healthier to say "If you get what you want, great, but don't EXPECT it as a DEFINITE, and thus, try to have a happy life without it"?
I just don't understand the 'logic' of this society. Then again, our media is controlled by materialists* (i.e. people who value wealth, status and sex above all else), so it probably stands to reason that they'd project their own values on the rest of us. What these privileged neoliberal types don't understand is that not everyone is part of the same rat-race as them, and so, not everyone is fighting for more wealth and sex or a higher social status.
*And just to be clear, that statement is to be taken at face-value. These materialists can belong to any and all races and ethnicities, and even any and all religions (although, as materialists, they're probably not *devout* Christians, Jews, Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists or Hindus etc). And FWIW, I am an atheist, so I'm not necessarily pitting materialism against spirituality, far less religion, per se.
Of course you should not put any pressure on anybody to have sex... That is of course up to each individual what they want to do...
But what I am trying to point out is... most men want to have sex with women... And don't have your relaxed view in regards to sex... I mean if sex was such irrelevant thing it wouldn't be such big part of almost every culture so this isn't only a part of western culture... I do agree that it is probably over expossed in western sociaty... but sex sells which is why it is almost everywhere...
And let me clarify I do not condone any sort of sex-shaming... I was just trying to say that most men probably like to have sex with woman and don't do it because sociaty tells them to do it...
You seem very reasonable, polite and diplomatic. Despite our differences of opinion, so far I've actually appreciated your posts/the way you've conducted yourself. So, I'm not accusing *you* of sex-shaming per se. But I am highlighting the issues/pitfalls with aspects of your argument.
Yes, men and women like sex, but, once again, the reality is, it's not freely available, so to speak. And not everyone wants to solicit prostitutes. Some people have morals about that (whether they be religious or feminist etc). Paying to have sex can't do much for one's self-esteem, and just as sex with another person is clearly superior to masturbation, clearly sex with someone who cares about you and is enjoying the experience as much as you, is superior to paying someone for transactional sex (and just to be clear, I have never, and will never, pay for sex, for some of the reasons I've outlined). And at least with masturbation, you're not paying for anything/doing anything morally dubious (unless you're a militant Catholic, or you're masturbating to something illicit/immoral, like images of children/torture etc), and you're not potentially hurting another human-being (and I don't particularly mean physically, but emotionally etc).
Anyway, it all comes back to the point that not everyone can or necessarily will have sex, and surely a mature, sophisticated society should acknowledge and accept that, instead of shaming 'virgins' and the celibate (not to say you've done that; like I say, you seem very thoughtful and decent, despite our differences on this matter).
Obviously, the ideal is to have sex, but without being able to guarantee uncomplicated, unproblematic, free sex, some people should be prepared to go without it WITHOUT any mockery/virgin-shaming etc.
I think we kind of agree and I understand that you are expressing an opinion and not accusing me of anything:-)
We definitely agree no one should ever mock, ridicule, shame or anything like that persons who are virgins either by choice or because they haven't gotten "lucky" yet. And you are right that being a virgin in today's sociaty is not easy with sex being everywhere... And I also agree that sex with someone you love and care about who of course feels the same way about you is far superiour to anything you can buy for money... unless you of course have some fetich which you partner cannot satisfy and I am not talking about anything illigal which is of course never acceptable.