not a good end
i dont beleive the charachters (tobe specially) had any nice feelings left for Harlon after the incident,just very hard to accept that
sharei dont beleive the charachters (tobe specially) had any nice feelings left for Harlon after the incident,just very hard to accept that
shareYeah. Realistically, I would find it hard to believe that after being shot by him, then finding out he wasn't who he said he was, you'd fulfill his final wishes (scattering of ashes). That doesn't make much sense. But people have done crazier things...
- Don't tease me about my hobbies, I don't tease you about being an assh*le
I can see what you mean. However, don't forget about Stockholm Syndrome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
I also feel like the character had a genuine and accepting quality to him, even with all the lies. There was also a real tenderness to him that the kids were obviously lacking in their own father.
I mean, the guy was crazy, and manipulative, but...there was still an element of candidness and truth about him.
Keeping all this in mind, I think it's believable that the kids would have felt some kind of love towards this guy.
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Stockholm Syndrome...Lonnie wasn't kidnapped. He was glad to get away from his boring existence. And don't forget he really thought his dad shot Tobe. I see what you're trying to say by bringing up the Syndrome but I just think Lonnie saw a better fatherfigure in Harlan + a friend( he didn't have in real life, as far as we know). Also Harlan spent time with him and listened to him ( his father didn't respect him and didn't listen to him). Ah and btw Harlan was delussional and in constant denial but I wouldn't call him crazy. Confused and misunderstood would come closer.
I didn't like the whole last 15 minutes, not just the ash scattering scene. A death at the end is so predictable...I knew what would happen (a general idea) after an hour. It's just so easy to end a story this way.
Good point about Stockholm Syndrome, but to say that Harlan isn't crazy, just "confused and misunderstood?" Also, "delusional and in constant denial?"
How is that not crazy? Let's not forget that his delusions led him to murder on multiple occasions. Shall we say that Bundy was not crazy, simply misunderstood?
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I disagree. I think the end was perfect and had a lot of subtext going on. A couple of wounded kids saw something good and familiar (wounded growing up)in a sick wounded guy. They wouldn't totally forget about his kind feelings for them and sweet treatment of them even after he lost it. It assumes they came to terms with how messed up he was. What's perfect is that during the whole movie he just wanted to be a cowboy in the old West and he wanted to block out everything having to do with progress. So he gets killed in a new housing division under construction.
The Dad does the right thing for probably the 1st time in the movie and lets them grieve. They take his ashes to where he would have wanted to be, many year's ago, working on a big ranch in a beautiful wide open space. I found it completely touching and can't think of a better ending that would have come close.
Dawn
"The Dad does the right thing for probably the 1st time in the movie and lets them grieve."
i respectfully disagree with that, the dad has done the right thing thru out the whole movie, the dad knew he was trouble from the start. this is one of the few times i have ever seen in the movies where the dad is the one with the most sense during the whole movie.
huh... you're right except that you're wrong
my vote history:
http://imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=27424531
please, sure the dad had some intuition regarding harlan. okay that is fine. but on the other hand: hes got way too big of a temper, hes a dick to his children, hes abusive, he doesnt listen, he doesnt care even when he does listen, and hes your typical "im going to keep you on a tight leash because i know that you hate me and thats the only way youll stay with me" type father. if you ask me Harlan was messed up but i agree with sum of these people in saying that harlan had everything those kids wanted in their father figure and that is why i can totally believe they held feelings for harlan. besides sure he is delusional and confused and whatnot and yes it caused him to murder but in those times he was acting as a confused, delusional, paranoid person would. it was his self defense as skewed as that is. and he didnt mean to shoot the girl he probably didnt even know the gun was loaded. he genuinely loved her and lonnie and if you couldnt see that then you missed the point of the movie.
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