Just Realized How Sexist It Is

This movie also presents men as predetory horny-toads! So everyone in the film, including men, has flawed personalities! And it's a comedy, okay? Not a documentary!

Yes, the women they pick up at weddings are passive, gullible waifs as you say, but comedies have been doing that for decades, making lesser characters more simplistic in order to get the point across quickly and move the plot along.

In regards to Rachel McAdams' character, I think that was realistic enough. A lot of smart women get involved with a**holes, thinking they can change them, or whatever.

get over it. jeez, cry me a river.

I know where you're coming from, and maybe this is just me (I consider myself a feminist) trying to make excuses for this movie because I think it's hilarious because Vince Vaugn is hilarious to me, but I don't necessarily think that the women in this movie are passive and gullible and defined by the actions of the men in this movie.

I guess it all depends on the way you look at it. I don't see Rachel McAdam's character being saved by Owen WIlson's character. All he does is present her with an alternative at the end. There's even a part where Sack tries to impose his manly will upon her while she's trying to decide what to do, and he appeals to her father and my main man Christopher Walkin tells Sack that he wants Claire to make her own decisions and just to be happy.

I also don't think that Isla Fisher's character is "too crazy" to be taken seriously or be strong. Obviously she does some very "crazy" things in the movie, especially sexually to Vince Vaugn (without consent, which is an issue), but he obviously takes her seriously in the movie because he marries her. I think her character is very strong. She goes after what she wants, she's smart enough to gauge what men want and use that to her own advantage and her sexuality and enjoyment of sex is valued. She is a likable character because she seems real because she has the sex she wants to have and enjoys it. I think I like their relationship also because it encourages sexual exploration and the importance of sex in a relationship and how you should be open minded and GGG. And it endorses non traditional sexual relationships.

So what I think about this movie is that it's not actually sexist. I think it reflects the sexism in our culture, which is undeniable and important to address. I think also it's important to look at the male characters in this movie and how the audience is supposed to view them and what that means. For example, our heroes are undeniably promiscuous (but culturally this has always been accepted for males) and maybe a little sexist towards women but they are the good guys in this movie. They have honor, they're loyal to each other, they're smart and charming and funny. They are also allowed to have emotions. I could be wrong on this one, but I don't remember them ever using any derogatory language towards woman in regards to their sexuality (slut, whore). At the end of the day, they are simply exploiting an aspect of our culture, that women who go to weddings, because of societal pressure, are emotionally vulnerable enough to allow themselves to be taken advantage of sexually.

Then you look at who the "bad guys" in this movie are. Sack and his friends, who are misogynistic and use their privilege and power to manipulate people (especially women) around them. They refer to women as sluts, they are unable to be emotionally vulnerable (for example when Sack gets sick and is an *beep* to Rachel McAdams), they expect their women to be submissive and fulfill their gender roles, they view marriage as something every man must do to appear respectable in stead of as a way to express mutual love, they are violent and play dirty.

This is important to address because sexism hurts men, too, and I think this movie shows that. Because, ultimately, Sack is a product of his environment.

I also love that at the end of this movie, when the boys mention a wedding that they could crash, the women are not wet blankets. They want to play, too.

So that is why I think there is definitely sexism in this movie, but only because it reflects the patriarchal society we live in. But I don't think it's message is sexist. In fact, I think it is the opposite.

I agree, this is definitely a very sexy movie. There are lots of sexy scenes with sexy women.
(for those of you who haven't seen Spinal Tap, this post is a joke)

Actually, I think the women in the movie were smarter than the men and used them to their own ends.

The women at the wedding montage in the beginning all wanted to have sex with men, and even though they knew Owen and Vince were full of sh**, they pretended to believe their stories just so they (the women) could get with the guys.

Futhermore, I believe Rachel McAdams' character knew Owen was scamming her all along, and she played him like a piano and strung him along, knowing that her loser boyfriend would eventually implode and she would come out looking like the victim in a situation she actually at best allowed to happen and at worst provoked. She emerges the winner in the end, free of Sack and with Owen's undying devotion and with everyone's understanding, sympathy and approval.

If anything, this movie is sexist toward men.

I really wish they would make more movies where the men are strong characters and not fooled so easily by devious women.

typical feminist bullsh*t.. and yea, i'm being sexist :rolleyes:

I think your review is sexist. Why don't women have the right to engage in casual, meaningless sex just like the guys in this movie. You call them "gullible waifs". Maybe they are active, willing participants who go to the weddings to pick up random guys to party with. In your opinion, you make it sound like a woman's sexuality is only empowered if they are not willing to be sexual at all.