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'Not Believable' just doesn't work as a criticism for this movie.


I love Brick, unapologetically. I do. But I understand that some people don't. It's not for everyone, and that has nothing to do with intelligence, just personal taste.

That said, please, people who hate it. Stop saying you hate it because it isn't believable or realistic. That's stupid. It's like hating a musical because it's unrealistic that people burst into song and dance. It's intentionally highly stylized and unbelievable. So it's not a flaw, it's the point. I can't believe so many people don't understand that.

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What i think a lot of the people who find the movie 'Not Believable' don't understand why (I think) Rian mashed-up noir with high-scholl. Nori is highly stylized with a heightened peception of reality in which the story is the entire world.

High school is the same a heightened peception of reality in which the your life is the entire world.

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If you want to see a believable portrayal of high school, and how much it sucks, watch the TV show Veronica Mars especially the first season.

It gets the message across without taking the viewers into some alternate dimension where teenagers act like they are 30-somethings.

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Listen Carefully. Brick is not meant to be believable it is a combination of two genres the high school film and film noir. Maybe the term mash-up will help you.

On the other hand it is at least as believable as 16 Candles.

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No YOU listen carefullly teeny-bopper. The MASHUP SUCKS. Jeez. You can't force me to like something I thought was stupid and like the smelly stuff from a horse's rear, so shove off.

This movie was like something produceed by Uwe Boll or Ed Wood. Lousy. Junk. Like Kesha's latest computer-made non-singing tune.

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Congratulations, you are officially an idiot!

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I agree, though I have to say that most of the cliques and behaviors were only slightly exaggerated.

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Believable and realistic are not the same thing and should not be used interchangeably.

What you are discussing is realism. It is not realistic for people to burst out into song and dance as they do in a musical. And Brick is not realistic as well. This is because realism deals with real life, life on planet earth.

Believability is entirely different. In every film, the filmmakers create their own characters and make their own world. Therefore, the question must be asked, if (1) the characters that the filmmakers created were real, (2) the world that the filmmakers created was real, and (3) these characters were placed in that world, would they act the way they do in the film? If the answer is yes, the film is believable. If the answer is no, the film is not believable.

Looking at it from this perspective, people bursting into song and dance in a musical is entirely believable, even if it is not realistic.

In my opinion, a film being believable is extremely important for the film to be entertaining (realism, however, has little to no importance). While it may be possible for a film to be entertaining while not meeting its believability requirements, I cannot think of any examples, at least none that work for me.

Incidentally, I found Brick, while unrealistic (intentionally so, as you point out in the original post), to be very believable. Which is one of the reasons I enjoyed the film.


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morethanafeeling and gb321, you both made my day with your individual comments. I imagine there is a reason that this thread hasn't erupted into a debate surrounding the believability of this movie: you pretty much covered it. There's no room to argue, really. Well done, the both of you.

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Great post, gb321.





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>>>people who hate it. Stop saying you hate it because it isn't believable or realistic. That's stupid.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

See that? It's my right to Free Speech. I will criticize a movie for any reason I feel like criticizing it, so don't you DARE tell me what I can or cannot say. Who do you think you are? An Egyptian dictator? Well that guy will soon be dead for his attempt to make people be silent - freedom of expression shall never be silenced.

This "Brick" movie makes about as much sense as if you had a bunch of talking toddlers dealing drugs and hooking. It is illogical, it is poorly acted, and it is crap. (Deletes Brick from c: drive.)






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And what, exactly, would you consider good acting? Twilight?

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Of course you have a right to, you just can't without being an idiot. I have as much right not to respect your opinions asyou have to voice them.

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Read your first paragraph again. You need to calm down, have a drink, and quit being such an indignant prick. A crazy, overly-patriotic redneck is what you come off as. No one is saying you can't say what you want, but that you shouldn't hate it on the grounds that it's unbelievable or stupid (or by your words "illogical"). Of course it's not logical, that's EXACTLY what morethanfeelings point is. So you shouldn't hate it for what it isn't. To do so would be called being an ignorant I-DI-OT.

I'm sorry, I just gotta comment on one more thing. "Who do you think you are? An Egyptian dictator? Well that guy will soon be dead for his attempt to make people be silent"-- Sounds like somebody's implying a threat. Maybe it'd be a good idea if the right to free speech should be withheld from crazies like you.

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Ha, right to free speech. This is a private forum.

I find the characters very, very believable. In fact, I can recall a few of those
characters actually existing when I was in high school myself. It is quite naive to think that the subject matter is too mature to be applicable in a high school setting, while the dialogue most certainly was. There are drug operations in high schools, there are promiscuous lovers in high schools. This film most certainly was not trying to imply realism to a high school setting but I firmly believe from first-hand experience and anecdotal evidence that they succeeded far more than was intended.

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Yes, electrictroy, it's everyone's right to say anything they want, no matter how idiotic it reveals them to be. I'm glad to see you're courageous enough to stand up for this right.

The idea that someone would have us believe that high school kids commit murder, deal and do drugs, have sex, etc., is ludicrous. Why, next they'll be telling us that teenagers become prostitutes! It's a good thing we have people like you to keep us in touch with reality.

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Well said. People who hate the faux noir language because it's unrealistic are missing the point.

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"I love Brick, unapologetically. I do. But I understand that some people don't. It's not for everyone, and that has nothing to do with intelligence, just personal taste."

Well said, morethanafeeling. If only everyone on the IMDb was of that opinion with whatever film they feel passionately about one way or another.

Personally, I didn't love Brick or hate it. I found it difficult to get into at first, which didn't help, but JGL's acting kept me watching. I don't think Brick would have been much to write home about without him.

I thought the scene in The Pin's kitchen with his mother in attendance was quite funny, although it didn't really feel right in what purports to be a noir - even a modern day one.

I liked the jump cuts in Brick; they did add tension where it was needed and were economically used. I also liked some of the effects used, particularly the one with Emilie de R. at the sewer tunnel and the black bag. Cheap, but effective.

I also liked the cinematography of the film. Someone did a very good job there.

My problem with Brick is mainly to do with the language used. I get that it was meant to be old style noirish, but it just made the film all the more difficult to follow, which took me out of it, along with the incoherent mumbling of JGL at certain points.

Some people have accused Brick of being pretentious, and I do get that impression myself when judging the film as a whole, but that's just my view.

I also feel it could have benefited from a little tighter editing - I checked my watch several times during Brick, which is never a sign of a good film in my book. I know there are many who will disagree, but there you go.

I have absolutely no problem with Brick being unbelievable or unrealistic. I agree that those reasons for hating are stupid.

My overall mark - 6/10.



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