How can this be overrated?


I really don't know how anyone can say this film is overrated. How much recognition does this film get compared to any average American war film. Let's just say I have seen plenty of American war films which have been fairly well rated and popular but when compared to this they seem pretty average. I just think this film is epic - it has all the right mix you want from a film - great acting, storyline, brilliant action, which was well-balanced with the drama and emotional parts of the film. No way is this film overrated....

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I'll tell you why:

1) It's a blatant rip-off of Saving Private Ryan. SPR is the only war movie ever made, the only one about this approximate period in time and the only one that uses flashbacks. Therefore, Taegukgi is a total rip-off.

2) It's cheese. Totally melodramatic. This has nothing to do with the fact that most haters don't know or understand anything about Korean culture wherein family ties are typically far more important than western culture, nor that most Korean dramas are very emotional anyway. That has nothing to do with it.

There, that pretty much sums up the typical arguments made against this movie.

Questions?

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Kudos to you, sir.

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both of u are *beep* retarded.

just shut up
please ur stupidity seems contagious

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Blatant rip-off of Saving Private Ryan? Not hardly, Dude, you're looking at two different time periods totally and half way around the world as well. World War II European theater vs Korean conflict very much different no similarities exist the use of flashbacks used often in war films is vaguely similar in the fact they both occurred at both ends of the movie but they were quite different there as well they were not at a war site dig in SPR it was at Arlington National Cemetery. A close 7 1/2 minutes is not total rip-off. Besides this film also was done in a perspective other than our standard American point of view and well done at that.

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...Did he just say SPR was the only war movie ever made?

-jam

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While resisting the temptation to mercilessly mock the last two posters for being clueless, I'll just suggest that they re-read my post and consider the possibility that I was not being totally serious.

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I can buy into that. It can be taken as a summation of every airhead comment you've heard and sarcastically condensed in answer to the first post. Point taken.

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so we're agreed then that, particularly as war films go, that this is a quality film.

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I actually try to figure out why SPR are so overrated.
I think this is a real war movie because they doesn't glorify there own country.
In SPR it's about sending a troup go save a private because it whould break his mothers hearth if he died. Yeah right, like that whould happend in a war.
Conclussion, SPR are overrated, this is underrated!

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... I thought that SPR was a pile of mush. One great battle scene and then fluff...
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Hmmm, its amazing the differences of opinions. It also highlights how apathy and disrespect has set in.

The veterans of WWII who actually were there didn't think it was 'fluff or mush'. In fact they thought it was a fair and courageous testament to their actual experiences - As was intended by Spielberg.

I hope you are not in a position of political power or aspire to responsibility of others - you can't see beyond the end of your nose. Then again its your opinion, as this is mine. I do believe you did say something good though in; "'Brotherhood' is one of the greatest war films I've seen. Incredible."


"Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, you will get them"

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look they're both really good war films... in my opinion, they are both up their with the best war films ever.

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They thought it was a fair and courageous testament? I don't know what they think, but dying just to make a mother happy doesnt seem that logical... Now if it was for actually saving some people i would understand...

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Hmmm, its amazing the differences of opinions. It also highlights how apathy and disrespect has set in.


Differences in opinion, yes. Apathy, maybe. Disrespect... that one is a little hard to agree with. It's not like he wiped his ass with a flag at a veterans rally or anything. He just didn't like the movie. I can completely understand his point of view. He didn't enjoy, as he put it, the "fluff". There are a lot people that don't enjoy most Speilberg films for that exact reason. They feel he gets too over-sentimental in a lot of his films. For me, A.I. would be a great example of this. For the person that posted that comment, SPR is a great example. Just his opinion and nothing more.

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how do you know that every veteran thought SPR was a fitting testament?

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"I'll tell you why:

1) It's a blatant rip-off of Saving Private Ryan. SPR is the only war movie ever made, the only one about this approximate period in time and the only one that uses flashbacks. Therefore, Taegukgi is a total rip-off.

2) It's cheese. Totally melodramatic. This has nothing to do with the fact that most haters don't know or understand anything about Korean culture wherein family ties are typically far more important than western culture, nor that most Korean dramas are very emotional anyway. That has nothing to do with it.

There, that pretty much sums up the typical arguments made against this movie.

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Wow.

1) Um, no. SPR was the only war movie ever made? Er, if I were allowed to swear then I would use any manner of expletives in conjunction with a consctructive arguement to prove you wrong there. SPR is one of only three credible war films released over the past decade, the others being this and the thin red line - TTRL was beyond jaw dropping in narrative and cinematography, something with SPR was lacking. Why is Taegukgi a rip off of a film that uses a completely different period, a completetly different story, completetly different narative...and, more importantly, a completely different conlcusion..?

2) No, because war doesn't have any value of drama what so ever - so any war film that has any sense of melodrama is immediatly classed as crap? This film is not cheesey, for the following reason - it is superbly acted. Um, nuff said on that one. The latter part of your statement is valid to a point, and that point stops when you only consider the family ties. The film deals with one immediate family, but at the start we are introduced to the next generation of that family, in which, this scene, sets the absolute mood for this film and results in the emotion of the final scene.
The whole point of the film wasn't to convey the horrors of war, far from it - it was to show the amount of love between two brothers who are eventually torn apart by war, and if this film, a korean film...what with their dedication to family and what not, didn't express that...then, you're a moron if you didn't see it.

Actually, you're #2 is totally illogical considering the subject matter and story of the film...it is actually impossible to come up with a viable contrary opinion...

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Well my friend, apart from the fact that millions (yes, millions, thats not a typo) of non-Korean watch the Korean dramas and cry, and they tell us that Korean dramas and films are one of the most emotionally moving in the world...
If you didn't feel any stirrings of emotion during this film, you are obviously a robot with no feelings whatsoever.
It might also help if you had any idea of Korean culture and it's language... and any sense.

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Why are u comparing a movie made in Korea with one made in America? Different people, different movie, different directors, different time period. It's no rip-off, this movie is just telling people how war can separate even the closest relationships.

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---- Let's just say I have seen plenty of American war films which have been fairly well rated and popular but when compared to this they seem pretty average. ----



So you're a Korean, right ? (checked around your other comments and they are mostly on Korean cinema)

Then i think you can't say, at least, that you're not biased.

I understand most of Koreans love (or even be proud of) this film than any other hollywood war films because it's about your own recent history and it's made by yourselves with largest-budget in your cinema history ever. And actually i think this film is a decent one too. But come on, there are tons of war films out there in hollywood and your comment calling all of them 'relatively average compared to Tae guk gi' sounds just patriotically, arrogantly ridiculous.

Don't get me wrong. I extremely love some of Korean films like CWP's Vengeance Trilogy and Memories Of Murder, Failan, etc. But as for this film, although i think it's a decent one, i also think it's definitely overrated anyway.

In my opinion, judging from this film and another one called 'Shiri', Je-Kyu Kang is decently educated but basically just a commercial-minded director. In this film, his direction is nowhere near original, plot is quite conventional, the story develops all along with obviously intended events with the aim of setting for coming climax, and the climax is over-emotionalizing, forcing the viewers like "please show me your tears people".

Overall, though i like some of well-shot battle scenes and had a chance again to think about the war's cruelty and silliness, but my conclusion comes to nowhere near yours as "the best war film ever on the planet". It was just a decent one to me.

Anyway, repeatedly, i understand why this film made ultra-hit in your own country and i don't really mind even if you think this one is the best war film ever, but i just want to let you know there are plenty of other people on the planet who thinks there have been better war films out of hollywood or wherever, and they have all their reasons.







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right ok you got me, i'm half korean. i like korean movies. but i'm half scottish too, and I live in the UK. so it's not like I don't like American/English movies. Also, i did not say that it was "the best war film ever on the planet", as you have quoted.
When I said that many American war films are average compared to Brotherhood, I was talking in the context of people saying the film is overrated, when it clearly is not because the film does not get a lot of recognition globally compared to most American films and more particularly war films.

I understand that this may seem an overly emotional film to some, but you must understand that this is how Koreans feels about the war. The war technically has not ended. It was really a war for nothing in the end, and I was almost pushed to tears which is something I would almost never do with a film. It may have been because I was in Korea visitng my family when i watched it, and seeing my grandfather made me think too about the suffering of Korean people have gone through as he lived through the Japanese occupation and the war. Of course, I also sympathise with the the Americans, British and other allies of course being half british. however for the british and the americans and the like - they came out on top despite the losses - koreans didn't really gain anything, yet they had many losses.
anyway, don't mean to turn this into a history class. Brotherhood is, I think, a very good example of film-making.

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This is a question to the previous poster. I'm not trying to give you a hard time, I am just interested in your opinion.

The Koreans did take many losses, but do you really think "koreans didn't really gain anything"? I would agree with you if you were talking about N. Korea, but what about S. Korea? How about thier economy? I believe it's the 9th largest economy in the world. I lived there from 01-04, and I must say that I was impressed with how far they have come since the war. It's pretty neat to go to Namsam Tower in Seoul, and look down at the city. You see an interesting mix of old and new buildings. Everything from war-era blue roofed shacks to the most modern skyscrapers. My opinion is that they made the best of what they could and have become a great nation.

In the end, I wish there didn't have to be a seperation between the two. I'm sure there are many opinions on all of the politics behind the division, but I wont get into all that. Korea simply has a culture that I fell in love with, people that treated me with warmth and respect, and for almost 4 years became my home.

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yes their economy is now good, but that didn't just happen because of the Korean war. their was still a south and north korea before the war and it was the same afterwards. south korea's economy could have developed on its own without a war, but of course things are never that simple.

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1) It's a blatant rip-off of Saving Private Ryan. SPR is the only war movie ever made, the only one about this approximate period in time and the only one that uses flashbacks. Therefore, Taegukgi is a total rip-off.


Your logic sux

So every movie that has flashbacks and is about war is a ripoff? idiot

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it is not a blatant rip off of saving private Ryan you moron. for a start how can you be so vague as 'that approximate period in time' the korean war was completely different from world war two. just because they were five years apart doesn't mean that they are just the same - it's not a valid point. and either is that it uses flashbacks, so what that's just to show the connection with the fact that many people's families were actually split up because of the war, and that many people have had to wait years to find out if they are still out there, but i guess you wouldn't understand that. It is the first big Korean war movie, and it is based accurately on the Korean war. the storyline is different. In SPR they are saving private ryan, motivated by the fact that is would 'make his mother sad' if he didn't come back. In brotherhood it's more focused on how family was torn apart, brothers fighting together, and then splitting up. your comparison of Brotherhood to SPR is truly ridiculous and uneducated.

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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm

Idiots.

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mate, did you have to look up sarcasm in the dictionary? you know how difficult it is to express sarcasm through printed words - if you're gonna to do it you need to make it obvious to everyone...

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I think it was pretty obvious buddy, especially with the "SPR is the only war movie ever made" line.

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you know how difficult it is to express sarcasm through printed words - if you're gonna to do it you need to make it obvious to everyone...
Where is the value in writing to the level of the lowest common denominator? Should we all write like first graders? The appreciation the smart people get from reading an insightful point expressed with a clever turn of phrase more than makes up for the frustration of those without aspirations of elitism.

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He was referring to:

1) It's a blatant rip-off of Saving Private Ryan. SPR is the only war movie ever made, the only one about this approximate period in time and the only one that uses flashbacks. Therefore, Taegukgi is a total rip-off.


It wasn't his own opinion.

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To Dj edd

Well, your right about that I guess. The war was not a direct determining factor in S Korea's economy progressing. More indirectly (in my humble opinion, ofcourse). Because S Korea (with the help of the UN) fought back, thier economy was able to develop into what it is today. I don't think that if Korea was unified under the DRPK's flag & Juche ideology, that thier economy would be what S Korea's is today. Also, I understand there was a seperation of N Korea and S Korea prior to the war, but during this time, they (N & S Korea) were just trying to get back on thier feet after the Japanese occupation.

You seem to be pretty up to speed and I respect your opinion. Also, that's a pretty unique ethnicity (Scottish/Korean). Is there a Korean community in Scotland/England? I am a straight up white American, married to a Korean. Im intrested to know how the Korean communities are outside the US. I was suprised to find thier communities even in Kuwait.

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by Richard Orr
i just watched this film on film 4 here in belfast N ireland.I have no agenda ie am not Korean or American or anti-american, but I just wanted to say i dont think i have ever seen a movie that moved me so much, it was simply brilliant and the story of the two brothers and the charting of their relationship, their huge love for each other and their ultimate loss of one another is peerless.in my opinion!

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ditto i just watched on Film4 as well (across the water in Glasgow)

Thought the film was brilliant, end of.

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me too, down in dublin. its a great film, anyone who says its bad is quite obviously a rascist

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Brotherhood is amazing, watched it on film4. great stuff, can't we like both?

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It's a great war film. And it's managed to get 38th on IMDB top films of this decade, which is pretty good for a non-english language film.

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Ok so to the guy near the front of this who said that soldiers going to save one guy was a rediculous idea and it would never have happened i would like to present you with these links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niland_Brothers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_brothers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sole_Survivor_Policy


Now if you look at all of them you will see that its not total bull, and if it was the only other option left I am pretty sure they would have sent a fiew soldiers to "save private ryan".

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Korean movies and shows are often melodramatic. As explained in the movie My Sassy Girl it's a part of Korean culture.

It's up to people to deciede if this movie is overrated. I personally think Private Ryan was a load of crap, while this is great.

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i don't care, there hasn't been a korean war movie and i'm sick of ww2 movies

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well spr and taegukgi both have a flashback but have you seen any war movie that has a flashback? probably yes but its ok as long as it is different. in saving private ryan there was a old person bringing his family in a cementary trying to find sergeant miller while taegukgi is about a old man who thinks his brother is still alive and archeologists discover what it could have been the old guy because the archeologists found his pen with his name on it but the old guy knew that he gave his older brother a pen. Steven speilburg did a excellent movie of the depiction of D-Day and taegukgi did too a great movie about not glorifying its country because S. korea did bad things too so nobody in the war was a hero but the older brother was trying to save his younger brother and he didn't care about politics but care about his brother going home.

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Here's my idea of why this film is overrated.

Sure, I'll agree with you that this film has some great acting. Storyline was decent. You can't necessarily get too much off of a war movie. Action was quite overused, but eh, most war movies do it. There's no way to change it.

But besides that, here's what I disliked about this movie. The scenes seem to topple each other completely. There were SO many moments when there was this emotional, quiet scene, until all of a sudden, it rushed to the middle of this epic battle taking place. That totally got me annoyed and frustrated. There were way too many unbalanced scene changes.

Another is this wicked idea of making an average shoe-shine boy becoming some soldier who has the capability of killing people like Rambo in his 3 films and Schwartzeneggar in Commando. Not only is that unrealistic; it's been overused by other action flicks. I actually laughed in the end, when this guy SUDDENLY turns back into a normal guy after acting (as my friend said) "like a drunken sex hound" and kills like 50 North Koreans by himself. I also found it funny during the war scenes. Basically every time you have this guy on your side, he's a badass and you win. You CAN'T lose because he's THAT damn good. I mean, wtf?

Then there's the long-lasting drama that takes place throughout the entire movie. Sure, a war film has its emotional moments, but this one seems to drag on. And you can almost tell that the director wishes to add more to the painful story with deaths of friends and family members. Sure, it probably happened in the real war, but please get on with the story. There's no need to add in extra tearful moments.

Basically, this movie is a "been there done that" film. I won't say it's trash, because it isn't. It was a good movie, but not something so amazing that it deserves to be known as the best war movie ever.

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That's what I love about this film is th fact that it is very sad, which Koreans seem to do well.
I don't like sad films all the time, but war IS sad. The fact that it is so emotional is appropriate in this way. If it effected you in this way I think the film-makers did a good job. the fact that the war never really ended, and how two brothers were torn apart because of it, is a good metphor for this. In a way, unlike many American war films this shows that war doesn't really gain anything, and that you can only lose things from engaging in it.

I'm slightly biased as I'm half Korean, but this and other Korean films have really sparked my love for movies again. Some of them rock, giving us some great produciton values, cinemtography, and some really different movies from western movies!!!

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I totally agree with you;
it had some of the most savage battle scene's in film history, but no where near the intense camera work of Saving Private Ryan
this film tries to be sort of a realistic film about the futulity of war, but then it's main character goes through over the top Rambo like splurges several times during the movie. He would of won the medal of honor at least a dozen times, in real life. In my opinion, you can't have it both it ways;an anti war film that glorifies combat.(in this way, SPR was a bit ooverrated too)
This film reminds me most of the movie 'Pear Harbor'

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Simply put, if this film received the same spotlight and rating as saving private ryan, it would still not be overatted,...almost. It's that good a film.

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I think its americans that dosent like this, they want to see americans shoot others, learn to read subtitles btw.

Probably the best warmovie ever done? I think so.

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"Probably the best warmovie ever done? I think so"

I think the movies great for the pro-war crowd that likes to see a lot of blood and violence, but on a pure 'realistic war film'? I dont think so. The battle scene's are a bit hard to believe. Look at the last battle, Jae Tee first fights for the Red Flag unit. He's all crazed and confused, like a walking zombie, killing as many South Koreans as he could get his hands on. But somehow still manages to stay alive in all this carnage, I guess because of his fighintg skills. But wait a moment, his unarmed brother manages to jump from behind and wrestle him to the ground. But Jae Tee don't recognize and keeps repeating "kill, kill, kill" I must Kill".
but nothing but a couple of slaps from his bro to snap out of it, recognize his brother, and pick a machine gun conveninatly left close by, and expertly mow down his former comrades. Did he make any friends while on his stint on the ohter side? We don't know , cuze he killed them all.

and how about the battle where caution is thrown to the wind as they rush throught the streets to capture the N Korean officer?

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