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Jin-Tae's Machine Gun Skills Spoilers

posted 19 years ago by eman182
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At the end of the movie, when Jin-Tae turned on the North Koreans to buy Jin-Seouk more time, was it even necessary? The North Koreans were already further down the hill past Jin-Tae, I thought. The ones he was killing weren't the real threat. It seemed like Jin-Seouk could have escaped with or without Jin-Tae's sacrifice. I know Jin-Seouk was wounded, but there were several soldiers even further behind him that were escaping. It seemed like Jin-Tae just shot at a small squad of North Koreans, which in the grand scheme of things wasn't much because there were so many coming down the hill. This issue with the movie bothered me. His sacrifice just didn't seem as vital as it should have. Anyone disagree?

[–] kaether 19 years ago

it was vital to the plot of the story, the whole point is that Jin-Seouk had a flashback while going to the archaelogical site so um... yeah I guess...

[–] joe-chidzik 18 years ago

I couldn't help that think he was accomplishing two things in that final scene - helping his brother get away, but also wanting to die because he knew how much the war had changed him (murdering innocent\unarmed people) and felt too guily to carry on living.

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[–] cisned 18 years ago

Well what its diff. in Korea or some parts of the world than America is the honesty their citizens have, diff. cultures have diff. ways of seeing things. Like someone said he had to feel guilty for what the war has changed him, and the brother surely felt that he shouldn't lie and maintain respect towards his family. Remember people in the east have great respect towards their family, and have a lot of honour, just think about the samurais killing themselves for honour.

[–] varmour 18 years ago

Please don't kid yourself like that, honesty is present everywhere...it's not a cultural thing, or whatever you termed it. He was merely honest so that we could actually have a movie. I'm sure many Koreans lied their way out of service. It's not a Korean thing either.

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[–] cisned 18 years ago

I'm not kidding buddy. You may say that honesty exists everywhere and that’s true even in the darkest part of the world, but seriously have you seen how Americans treat others, it’s clearly something you learn from others and if most people around you are honest that means it’s a cultural thing. I think you’re not sure how culture can impact many people, because Americans have no cultural at all.

[–] varmour 18 years ago

There are nice people and not so nice people in America and Korea. Everyone's just been attacking America lately because of the war in M.E. Association fallacy. You know I've seen more Caucasian men hold doors for people than Asian men? And here's what tops the cake, I'm Vietnamese, I should probably be bad mouthing America. But I don't, I just don't like it when people say oh this country is ruder or France sucks or whatever.

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[–] WillmerIm 18 years ago

you judge peoples kindness by the fact if they do or dont open doors for you? Vietnamese isnt even East-Asian,theyre south-east Asian, they don't share the ideaologies that China, Korea, and Japan live with.

You probably think "Dude, the white and asian people have both jerks and nice people". Keep in mind we live in the United States. The Nisei(Second Generation living in America) Chinese, Korean, and Japanese have no appreciation for their cultural values and tradition, thus theyre more likely to turn out to be the "average american". I know that honor is a virtue/value ANY person can appreciate and live with. But cultures like Korean and Japanese, they incorporate these values and virtues into their culture and tradition. They strongly emphasize on these values. You would rarely see Niseis bowing to their elders in America or speak in honorific form (in Korean and Japanese...the language can be spoken according to different respect levels, honorific being the highest). If you ever travel to Korea or Japan, you would literally see people bowing to each other, using kind and honorific speech (if you understand the lanugages). Honor and shame go hand in hand with these cultures...if you disgrace your family name, your family is most likely to disown you. Slap that into the average fat dumb american joe's jerkface.

[–] masterzhang 17 years ago

Of course. We all know that Asians are by nature noble and honorable people owing to their thousands of years of tradition, and Americans suck.

Right.

[–] overninethousand 18 years ago

Caucasians are people from Caucasus. Americans, please stop using silly terms.

[–] SomethinglikeSarah 18 years ago

I like to think that every soldier is a hero. Being able to cope with a war situation where you know you might get killed any minute, seeing your friends die in really horrific ways... Dealing with that makes them heroes to me.
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[–] m0rg16 18 years ago

How can someone have "lots of honour"...?

[–] fulanito_uk 18 years ago

well what they don't show is that they all have ID cards, for sure they would have asked to see it then he would have been in big trouble...

[–] gabrieljoo 17 years ago

If he had lied in the beginning of the movie, then he would have ended up as a North Korean troop. They didn't care how old you were, as long as you could pull a trigger. I am sure this was in the movie as well.

[–] bluegrassdude5601 18 years ago

They goofed with that machine gun. I think its supposed to be a Russian Maxim, but it was a U.S M1917 water-cooled machine gun, a very heavy machine gun which I seriously doubt the South Koreans lugged up that hill.

[–] doo-buzz 18 years ago

regarding the ' he should have said he was 17' comment.

When they were on the train and it was starting to pull away - the train was moving at less than walking pace and they're looking out of a big window - why didnt they just jump off the train?

anyway good movie.

[–] quincypowell181 18 years ago

i loved this movie it was amazing
i liked it more with subs
i got sucked in

[–] ash_aod_35 18 years ago

about the "not a maxim" thing not trying to be rude but, mabye it was a captured one like from a previous battle?

[–] wierzbowski--696969 18 years ago

There wasnt any point in jumping out of the train because there was plenty of soldiers there that would have caught them and maybe shot them for deserting.

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[–] iop98422 18 years ago

Because of the harsh annexation of Japan, koreans were very nationalistic about the country matter. Most of the students and age 20-35 volunteered to fight for their country. And of course, the mothers weren't very happy about this.

[–] The24thFoot 18 years ago

Why would they have a Maxim (a German gun)? The ROK Army was equipped with American uniforms and weapons so it had to be a Browning 1919

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[–] varmour 18 years ago

Hmm its been awhile on this board but regarding...

WillmerInn- if you are still on this message board reply or else I won't get into the heart of the topic.

"Vietnamese isnt even East-Asian,theyre south-east Asian, they don't share the ideaologies that China, Korea, and Japan live with. "

Yeah tell that to my parents. Vietnamese do not share Chinese ideas? Do you know how Confucian our values are? Are you Vietnamese? Why are you assuming? That's what I thought.

You probably think "Dude, the white and asian people have both jerks and nice people"

Yup. You don't?

So yeah, reply if you want and then we can get into a proper discussion.

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[–] paul_1717 18 years ago

i'm with varmour on this... you can't judge a whole group just by some. each person is an individual. just because one person doesn't hold the same values as others doesn't mean a thing. im half white half korean. i open doors, i bow, greet and treat others with respect in all ways until they show they don't deserve my respect. Respect someone and you will in turn recieve respect. and this is because my parents brought me up with these values. BOTH of my parents. kinda goes along with the whole "treat others how you want to be treated" and "karma" thing.

[–] TheEmulator23 17 years ago

Wow someone hates all us Americans huh? Well I can tell you that my family is screwed up, but we aren't criminals are cruel are anything like that. My dad was a firefighter for 25 years, my mom who teaches and uncle both have their Masters degree's my brother works for Intel, My sis has her Bachleor's, and I'm 1 class away (thanks a lot math) from my AA degree. So believe it or not all of us are uncaring people. But you are welcome to think we all are, you just don't hear about us boring educated people.

[–] eldakim 17 years ago

Jin-Tae is a god. Does that bother you?