1) They have a man in their custody who has murdered lots of people, so they all decide to sleep and not keep watch on him
I can only assume you are talking about when they were in the Apache territory, Tucker the one who died was suppose to be on watch but fell asleep.
2) Instead of running away Ben kills one of them instead?
Ben killed him because Tucker was an *beep* and did everything possible to antagonize Ben: took his horse, constantly tried to order him around, and tried to keep him from sleeping. Ben didn't care about escaping he cared only about killing Tucker.
3) Don't they have ever think to search him?
He took and hid the fork that he used to kill Tucker after he was initially captured. Maybe they should've checked him before they went to sleep but I can see them just assuming he still was clean.
4) In all the time they had to react when Ben jumps off the horse on to the stage coach old dude and tackle him to the ground then punch him a couple of times THEN take his gun, they decided to react AFTER all this happened, Ben wasn't exactly a ninja when doing this was he?
The only one that was trained to do this type of duty was the guy he attacked, you can assume that the rest of them would not react as quickly as they should or even know what to do.
5) I know let's deploy a decoy in the carriage which will most certainly get overrun by Ben's gang and lets give the decoy the exact details of where we're going!
I agree but it didn't seem that they were to keen on secrecy even Byron told Ben where they were taking him.
6) All the good-guys are incompetent idiots who can't aim a gun at a very close target and have the reaction times of a snail.
Most of the good guys were doing something out of there profession: doctors, ranchers, businessman. That would account for most of them being ill prepared.
7) The sudden change of heart from Ben at the end of the movie to betray his gang and let the farm-boy put him in prison (yes i know he was gonna escape but whatever)
The change of heart didn't occur just at the end of the movie, as you stated it is shown throughout the movie Ben helps them multiple times eg: escape apaches, escape the tunneling gang, didn't kill them when he could've. The son even makes note of this at the end of the movie.
8) Dan gets booted in the face so they (All with guns) let him run away and steal their horses??
Dan was the most experienced out of all of them, Dan gets booted in the face and there is his son, a vet, and a businessman left. Ben Wade was a pretty capable guy he was the most experienced out of all of them in combat which he showed by taking care of the Apaches.
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14 years ago
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darkjinni2
14 years ago
I'm sorry I think you are getting upset and I was only trying to give you another point of view. But I will respond to your statements once again and hopefully you'll be able to say that you can see some of the points as I will tell you that I see some of your good points. But I will also take the fact that all of my answers weren't noted and that you at least felt neutral or agreed with the ones left out.
1) Cuffing his hands behind his back would do nothing in your first statement if you read back you asked why did they all chose to fall asleep and I just simply pointed out that one person was suppose to be on watch. So I would agree that cuffing someone hands behind there back is basic but that wasn't your initial point. You point was why were they sleeping. So hopefully you understand that cuffing did not answer your first statement.
3) I was answering your statement 'why not search him' not what could you do to prevent him from hurting someone if you happened to have missed a weapon on him after the initial search. I was just stating that I could see not searching him again at the campsite because they had already done and initial search. I would agree that an extra precautionary measure would be to cuff him just in case the watchman fell asleep but not alot of people plan for the watchman to fall asleep.
4) I don't think I made them sound like stooges, I think I made a pretty understandable point. If you are trained to do something and you do it everyday in your profession, your reaction times are quicker than someone who is not trained and does it occasionally. For instance if you use math everyday in your job you'll answer a math question faster than someone who does not, usually, of course there are exceptions. I was just referencing that they were outside of their field of expertise.
6) To say that all of the pioneers were battle harden and ready for anything, I think is a little over zealous and over romanticizing the old west. Were pioneers more knowledgable on many things such as: living off the land, defending there home against wild animals, and other things like that yes. But I would also say that I was just stating that about the group of people escorting Ben Wade. There is something to be said about the lack of experience for the rest of the people who were within there profession.
But I will take your advice and watch the original, because I enjoyed the remake, I'm sure I'll enjoy the original even more seeming the consensus is that it is better.
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jack_spicer
10 years ago
Dude, stop trying to defend this stuff. It made no sense.
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