mr. anderson deserved what he got in this film. i mean what he did to brittany in the theatre was sexual harassment. maybe he never meant for her to touch herself exactly, but he never stopped her as he should have. and also, mr. anderson clearly had a twisted perversion for these school girls. he never acted on it, but come on, it was only a matter of time. he deserved to end up alone, with a tattered reputation.
shareI disagree. Mr. Anderson was very awkward around women especially these young girls who were discovering their sexuality. However in the drama scene he is clearly trying to help her get the best performance. Brittany is just too shy and apprehensive, it may seem odd but Anderson does it for the play and for Brittany's acting as he knows she is no Kimberly. His thing for school girls isn't unnatural, many men fantasise over the whole school uniform thing. Anderson should be applauded as he doesn't act on it, instead he role-plays with his wife at home surely nothing wrong with that.
shareinitially in the theatre scene, he was trying to help brittany. but as soon as she reached for her buttons or her zipper he should have been able to stop it. he didn't, because he wanted to watch. i found him really dispicable, with no likeable attributes to his character.
shareHe could have stopped it when he saw what she was going to do, the fact that he chose to sit there and watch it makes him guilty of sexual harassment.
shareHe could have stopped it when he saw what she was going to do, the fact that he chose to sit there and watch it makes him guilty of sexual harassment.How can you possibly say that? Are you saying that if a girl was stripping in front of me then I'd be guilty of sexual harassment if I didn't stop her? That doesn't make any sense. What about the dozens of other people in the audience who also did nothing to stop her, are they guilty too? He didn't make her do anything. He didn't tell her to strip or else she wouldn't be able to leave. If she was smart she would've "acted" like she was stripping without actually doing it or done something else that wasn't as embarrassing. She was the one who actually chose to start taking off her clothes in front of everybody so you can't blame him for what she did. You can't just walk into a crowded room, start stripping and then sue everyone who sees you for sexual harassment just because they didn't stop you, that's just plain rediculous.
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How can I say that? I just can. Stop freaking out.
The fact that he was a teacher and she was like a fifteen year-old student makes it wrong. The other observers were kids as well and besides, he's the one that prompted her, knowing full well what she was probably going to do. I mean, come on...door locked, curtains drawn, all alone...he knew EXACTLY what he was doing.
...knowing full well what she was probably going to do...Don't you see how you are contradicting yourself there?
he knew EXACTLY what he was doingOh, and she didn't??? Give me a break. All he did was ask her to pretend she was alone. SHE was the one who decided to start stripping. He can't be blame for her being stupid.
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Dude, what are you getting so uptight over...calm down...
shareLet me ask you something... who do you think was worse, Kimberly or Mr. Anderson? The teacher may have had an attraction towards his female students but he never acted on them, he never touched them. Kimberly on the other hand was a manipulative liar, who caused the destruction of her teacher's career and her friend's life. Or what about Mr. Anderson vs. the reporter? Emily may not have had an attraction specifically for teenage girls but she certainly had no problem with having sex with one. Mr. Anderson may have wanted to have sex with Kimberly but he resorted to role playing with his wife which is not illegal and hurts no one. If you still say Mr. Anderson, then you'll understand why I am getting upset.
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Of course I think Kimberly was worse considering the vast array of things she was responsible for doing. And I never said she wasn't worse than Mr. Anderson. And I'm not saying it now because you're "upset". I could care less about what you, whoever you are, think. Accept that different people feel different ways about films. Did you like the movie? Because if you did, then we both have that in common and it should encourage you to stop getting so worked up over one person's contradicting point of view. Now, there are plenty of other people lurking around these boards who support my opinion, but apparently you chose to harp on me. All right then. But getting upset doesn't change my opinion one bit. I didn't think Mr. Anderson was a TERRIBLE human being, he was actually quite likeable. But do I agree with what he did to Brittany? No way. A teacher sitting and watching a teenager touch herself on stage and not doing anything to stop it warrants some sort of legal action against him. On this, I am not going to budge. All I'm saying is calm down before you start taking a person on a message board's opinion so personally.
share"calm down" or "don't get so worked up" aren't really arguments you know. they just show that you're not able to disprove what pimpsmackers is saying.
but yeah i agree with you on that he should've stopped her to save her the embarrasment later. but, i don't think he was sexually harrasing her at all. she was the one dumb enough to strip in front of a room full of people, by her own will. and i don't think any court in the world would be able to convict him of such.
I'm not out to disprove anyone. And I like the phrases "calm down" and "don't get so worked up" because more often than not on these boards, they're applicable. I like them, I use them. Thanks for noticing, though.
sharei think pimpsmackers is psychotic.
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Not sure he deserved to go to trial for molesting when he didn't.. but he was indeed a pervert.. and he should have sought psychiatric care for his weird perversions about little girls, when he works with them every day. We trust our children to these teachers.. and they violate us, and our children by pulling this crap. This is real life, this stuff happens all the time, and often goes unnoticed and never reported.
Speaking of perversions, what worse was the lesbian reporter who went to bed with the 15 year old Kimberley. Thats rape, even if she consented, she was underage, and that was sex.
i agree. that reporter was pretty awful. i think that when the young arab girl wrote "we are all sinners", on the chalkboard, she really nailed it. none of the main characters in this film were really good guys. they all had done pretty bad things.
shareRanda was truly the only victim. She was taken in by a girl at school (when kids go to a new school, they are sometimes so desperate to meet a friend, and maybe try their best to make friends with the popular kids). It seems she got the popular girl, or one of them. This girl befriended her, and while she wasn't the ideal friend, she was a friend, and that is what Randa wanted. I was surprised that Randa didn't stop hanging out with her purely because the things like watching porno and smoking cigars was against her religion, and severely so. She seemed to be as most Muslim Arab women are - submissive. She was unfortunately, submissive to the wrong person. I was surprised the first time I saw this movie that she killed herself over the situation. It was truly sad.
shareNo, Randa knew what she was doing. Remember, she said to Kimberly "Will Mr. Anderson get fired? Then I'm in." She was in the same position as Britanny. Either they were both victims or neither of them were.
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"Tantrum"? I can hear your winey little voice all the way from here. And maybe YOU should pay closer attention to that scene because you were pretty far off. The EXACT quote (I have the DVD in my hands) went like this, "Brittany, now that was very good. You know, Anne Frank had nowhere to run. So are you going to stay here and act, like a professional, or are you going to run and cry like a little girl."
And I think you are giving him way too much credit. He didn't force her in anyway to do what she did. She wasn't under any kind of hypnotic or telepathic control. She did it on her own. It was a STUPID thing for her to do, but she alone was responsible for it. If I were to get up on stage and start stripping and then, like an IDIOT, act like I was embarrassed by what I'd just done, then I'd have no right to blame anyone else for what I did, regardless of how much or how little other people enjoyed seeing it.
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^^I think the point that you are so clearly missing, is that this happened in a high school, and this girl was 15. Addressed earlier in the film is the fact that Brittany was just beginning to discover her sexuality and was really kind of ashamed of it. When you are 15, even if you are physically ready for sex, 99 percent of the time, you are not emotionally ready for the consequences. Not to mention the social stigma that would have come from her stripping down in drama rehearsal, which was clearly full of other students. Unless you have not yet reached high school age, PimpSmackers, you should know full well that Mr Anderson made that class an unsafe environment when he didn't stand up and take control of that situation properly.
Mr. Anderson did take advantage of what happened, the shot of his face close up insinuated that he was interested in seeing her disrobe, which makes him the predator. He bought his wife a school girl skirt for god's sake. He wasn't an innocent. Perhaps he did not deserve the trial and all that came of it, but he had plenty to be guilty about.
I think the point that you are so clearly missing, is that this happened in a high school, and this girl was 15I didn't miss that point, in fact that was one of my points. I think the point that everyone else is trying to make is that 15yr olds are too stupid to know what they are doing and that adults should be blamed for the stupid things that they do. 15yr olds are NOT too stupid to know what they are doing and Mr. Anderson shouldn't be blamed for what Brittany did. What he "wanted" to happen is irrelevant, how much he may have enjoyed what he saw is not the point. SHE was the one who decided to do what she did, he never explicitly told her to strip.
Addressed earlier in the film is the fact that Brittany was just beginning to discover her sexuality and was really kind of ashamed of it.Not true. What was said was that she liked to masterbate a lot and felt dirty while doing it. Nothing was said that implied she had just started doing it.
When you are 15, even if you are physically ready for sex, 99 percent of the time, you are not emotionally ready for the consequences.Irrelevant. She wasn't having sex with Mr. Anderson. But she was having sex with her boyfriend Troy (he was insatiable, according to her) and she seemed to be handling it just fine. Not to mention that Kimberly was also the same age as Brittney and she was also having sex with her boyfriend. Not to mention with Josh too, and the (adult) lesbian reporter. But like I said, all that's irrelevant.
Not to mention the social stigma that would have come from her stripping down in drama rehearsal, which was clearly full of other students.Clear to everyone but her? How stupid does that make her seem?
Unless you have not yet reached high school age, PimpSmackersVery funny, high school is just a distant memory to me.
Mr Anderson made that class an unsafe environment when he didn't stand up and take control of that situation properly.Again, what did he do that was so wrong? He was trying to get her to feel comfortable on stage. She couldn't think of doing anything else besides masterbating in front of everybody. And because he didn't stop her immediately we should blame him? He wasn't the only one watching, Kimberly was there too and she didn't do anything. Oh, but it was his fault because he enjoyed it? How do you even know he was the only person who liked what he saw? The camera didn't zoom into anybody else's face.
Mr. Anderson did take advantage of what happened, the shot of his face close up insinuated that he was interested in seeing her disrobe, which makes him the predator.That's rediculous. You obviously don't know what a predator is. Maybe that would make him a pervert, but that's obviously something completely different.
He bought his wife a school girl skirt for god's sake. He wasn't an innocent.So what? Are there laws against men buying skirts for their wives? Or is it illegal only when it's a specific type of skirt? That in itself doesn't make him guilty of anything.
Perhaps he did not deserve the trial and all that came of it, but he had plenty to be guilty about.Being attracted to teenage girls is not illegal, immoral or anything to be ashamed of. He never touched any of them and what happened on the stage with Brittnay was blown way out of proportion. My only argument has always been that what Kimberly did was much worse than what Mr. Anderson did and he didn't deserve what happened to him. Kimberly however, because she was young, smart and pretty, got away with everything.
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Hahaha..."masterbate".
shareOf course he meant for her to touch herself. He knew Brittany was a pretty stupid girl. And since he didn't stop her, that only shows that it was exactly what he thought she would do and he wanted to watch her do that. It had nothing to do with artistic talent.
IA, Anderson deserved what he got.
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