racist slur?
What exactly was the anti jewish slur Kimberly said that caused her to get in trouble, I missed that part.
shareWhat exactly was the anti jewish slur Kimberly said that caused her to get in trouble, I missed that part.
shareKimberly said to Josh, "Atleast my dad isn't a money grubbing Jew shister who lets criminals go free."
shareDear Bunny,
Rachel Wood and the other HORRID actresses of this millienium makes quite a few racial slurs throughout the film. This film was masked as a comedy to air the racist sentiments that the screenwriter makes. She makes a idiot comment about Anne Frank (and to do so is extremely low). There needs to be a boundary in writing or some use of integrity of copping a quick laugh with the use of ignorant writing like this. However, this is allowed in many films now, which tells me that these new writers are young and unworldly.
The new writers lack intelligence and they are insecure of their futures when they begin to make racial slurs. It is embarrassing when writers will stoop so low when they run into writers' block. Usually what is happening is that the racial issue appears when there is competition in the industry (especially a Jewish owned industry) and this kind of writing needs to be curbed (if they had the power to censure Howard Stern, they have the power to censure racist remarks as well). And the scene about "f-ing dogs" is completely ridiculous.
The writer is ignorant and uses the comedy to abuse his own racial hang-ups (which reduces the likability of these actresses for any other future films- which I will spread the word NOT to watch) of his own racists and homophobic superiority. This writer needs psychological round table HELP!! DISGUSTING FILM!!!!
You take films too seriously.
shareIt's not that he takes film to seriously, he's just an idiot. There are bad people in films, racist, homophobic, jerks...Guess what? that's life...besides what were you expecting when you picked up the display box? Finally Evan Rachael Wood is phenomenal in everything she does, so go ahead and trash her, no care will listen.
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lol i agree with you
shareI very much doubt the writers of this film are racist. The racial slurs in this film are used to highlight the small-mindedness apparent in American upper-middle class society. None of the characters who use racial slurs in the film are shown in a positive light but I guess you must be lacking the intelligence to understand that just because Kimberley Joyce is the main character doesn't mean she is automatically the "good guy" and we have to agree with her.
And while I don't find it inappropriate, lecturing on inappropriateness when your screen name is "boobie1822" may lead to people not taking you seriously.
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okay pretty persuasion was such a great movie! yea there were racist comments and a lot of other stuff in it but its not cuz the director is supposedly "racist" he was making a point about what a lot of places in america are really like. i thought it was a wonderful movie that had a lot of funny parts as well as sad parts i think it was an awesome movie so stop trashing it cuz u hav enothing better to do with your time.
shareI second that notion!
shareDear boobie1822,
Yes you take films far too seriously! And i wouldn't really consider Rachael Wood a 'Horrid actress'. And while on the subject what other 'horrid actresses of this millienum' are you refering to? this millenium is only some 6/7 years old (depending when u belive it started) and i'm pretty sure there are hundreds of them to come yet, let the people or the year 3000 decide when they do a TV special 'Horrid Actresses of the last Millenium' If your still alive then u can vote for her.
I would consider this a comdey/drama and i don't belive that its masking any 'racist slurs' as you suggest, the TV series 'Arrested Development' makes a cheap shot at Anne Frank from a Jewish creator/writers who have a laugh at themselves.
"There needs to be a boundary in writing or some use of integrity of copping a quick laugh with the use of ignorant writing like this. However, this is allowed in many films now, which tells me that these new writers are young and unworldly." (Boobie1822)
Comedy's often calls for a quick laughs and who's going 2 inforce these boundaries? you? Surely not!
"The new writers lack intelligence and they are insecure of their futures when they begin to make racial slurs." (Boobie1822)
That is what the call - Unsubstantianted Generalisation! how's that for a couple of big words in lamens terms you've just given a general comment that can't be backed up or proven.
"This writer needs psychological round table HELP!! DISGUSTING FILM!" (boobie 1822)
I think it is you who needs help my friend. Are you a critic or do you write and make films yourself becuase i'd like to see you do better. Seriously i would, becuase then i'd take your opinion seriously.
I personally thought this was a very well made film. Although its an idea that has been done before it was told in a differeant way. The acting was good, touching on some of the serious aspects as well as mixing it up with a few laughs. The direction was good, lighting, editing all the things that make up a film where all done to the task creating a very fine film.
Have a good one,
cheers
I highly doubt Evan Rachel Wood believes any of those slurs, considering she is Jewish. "Wood is of the Jewish religion."-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Rachel_Wood
shareI wonder if the writer of this comment realizes that Skander Halim is of a minority himself. As others have said, the racism in the film is a stab at giving the story an accurate depiction of its subject matter.
I did enjoy this film in theatres, but I think some of the posters here are a little bit out of their minds with their fanatical acclaim. It simply relied too heavily on cliches and reused ideas. I think Halim has some talent and the potential to write a better film, but parts of his script felt a little bit amateur to me.
Yeh lightin up boobie, its only a film, extremely funny one at that. Best joke in the film was when a guy walks by and says hey Arab Chick do you want to buy a gun. I nearly fell off the couch laughing.
If a double decker bus crashes into us, to die by your side is such a heavenly way to DIE.
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you know, I think he/she didn't think the joke itself was particularly funny, just the use of it. that is, the utterly disgusting baseness of the joke is what makes it so outrageous. of COURSE it's not actually funny. it's terrible. that's what makes it easy to laugh at, because it's so horribly off-color that its very existence is a laughing matter.
that being said, I know I'm writing this as a fairly privileged white girl and that I have no idea what your experience of the situation is. for what it's worth, I'm sorry you feel "strange and different," because you absolutely should not have to.
I too thought the guy yelling Hey Arab chick! You wanna buy a gun?! was funny. First of all I am NOT racist. I have nothing against any race of any sort. But this movie represents American society. And how people act. There are so many shallow, narrow minded people out there, and this joke made me laugh, not because of the joke itself, but because that is how stupid people are. It's sad. But it's true.
Emily, I need you to listen very carefully *silence* that is the sound of me not caring.
You have to see the irony of the situation to find it funny... here's a guy selling guns!!! He's the violent one.
The guy stereotypes the Arab girl by implying she would want a gun and through that the film is commenting on the human tendency to be scared of difference without thinking. And our ability to put people in boxes based on nothing but appearance.
THe film is not being rascist by doing that but rather useing the absurdity of the situation to make a comment on our culture.
Pb
I have come across people like you before, pretending to be of a certain race to drum up a reaction and sympathy from other posters, while you sit at home on your laptop having a good giggle at the apologists. I am fairly certain your a caucasion American.
If a double decker bus crashes into us, to die by your side is such a heavenly way to DIE.
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Ok not all muslims are bad guys, but when your bad your bad, witness 9/11, Luxor Massacre, US Embassy Niarobi I could go on forever.
If a double decker bus crashes into us, to die by your side is such a heavenly way to DIE.
How blind are you Padurney... When Americans are bad they're really bad too... witness Oklahoma, countless school masacres, highest murder rate in the world.; I could go on and on also.
"Everything is safe till it goes wrong" - Joe Simpson, "Touching the Void" - book only.
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Ok, I don't think this is the place for this type of debate but I'll put in another two bits worth and then no more from me on this...
I'm not a fan of any religion. They are all patriarchal and masoganistic in my view. I agree that Islam seems divisive and violent in nature though many Islamic people I have heard speak on this say it goes against all of Allah's teachings. Lets not forget the number of women killed in the name of Christianity by being burnt as witches... also a politicaly motivated slaughter. But not going back that far in history may be understandable and I'm not going to be an apologist for the way Muslims treat or seem to view women... I think its abhorrent also.
And a connection between state and religion is not a good thing in my opinion and that is fundamental to Muslim beliefs. That leads to inflexable and idealogicaly based government with too much power given to too few.
In terms of crime and all that, America is the richest, most advanced (technologicaly) country and also has the highest crime and murder rate. It is a very violent culture. America's religion is consummerism and anyone who doesn't fit that mold is pretty much left by the wayside. Economic growth is the fundamental ideal.
As far as dogs go, I wish I was a Malamute... they are wonderful.
"Everything is safe till it goes wrong" - Joe Simpson, "Touching the Void" - book only.
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Another slur used was beaner.
From now on, all fingerpainting will be done in red.
"Yeh lightin up boobie, its only a film, extremely funny one at that. Best joke in the film was when a guy walks by and says hey Arab Chick do you want to buy a gun. I nearly fell off the couch laughing. "
..If you fell off the couch laughing, you were CLEARLY missing the point of this movie and are no better than the rediculous characters. While I love the movie, I understand they were not in any way intending to glamourize racism, in fact it's pretty apparant their point was just the opposite.
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Oh my god katentek, you have to be literally out of your mind to think that the US has the "highest murder rate in the world".
Have you ever even compared the US murder rate to that of Honduras, El Salvador, South Africa, Colombia, Swaziland, Jamaica, Rwanda, Bolivia, Venezuela, or Lesotho? You should. You'll find out real quick that all ten of those countries alone have a murder rate that's more than 5 times higher than that of the US murder rate.
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-highest-murder-rates.html
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html
So please, do some research next time.
kthxbai
Not all movies are puppy dogs and rainbows... when a writer writes dialoge for the the character. Stop taking them to seriously there's worse out there.
Twinkle twinkle little bat..
wow, ok, where do i start?
"cesure" is spelled censor, and "She makes a idiot comment about Anne Frank" should be written, either "She makes an idiot (i would say idiotic but whatever) comment about Anne Frank" -or- "She makes a dumb comment about Anne Frank."
you see improper speech doesn't normally bother me, ignorance on the other hand, along with hypocrisy, does.
you keep say about how the writers use "ignorant writing" and that "the writer is ignorant".
now, first off you are contradicting yourself. you say that the ignorance lays in the writing, which let's be honest, the characters are ignorant. then you say that the writer is ignorant.
IGNORANCE: THE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE
do you know the writer? chances are you don't. just because Kevin Williamson wrote Scream, doesn't make him a serial killer. NO. so meet the writer, and get back to me, and then start talking about ignorant writing.
AND FINALLY,
Evan Rachel Wood's character Kimberley, never once "makes a idiot comment about Anne Frank" she calls Josh Horowitz's father a money-grubbing jew shyster who let's criminals go free.
James Wood's character, Kimberley's father, says, "Jew broad? Anne Frank was jewish?"
so tell me, when does "she make a idiot comment about Anne Frank"?
i am asuming you are a jew...
sharethis coming from someone named Boobie.
shareHi,
This is an excellent and insightful film with a very clever and witty script. The writer is looking at our ability to so easily stereotype people, and fall in with the crowd in judging others, while at the same time entertaining us with an enjoyable cast of characters.
The cast is excellent and all performances are first rate.
To not see the ability to use humour in looking at our culture is to miss one of the great vehicles for satire. Doeas the writer have to work in a one dimensional black and white way where the writing is only 1mm deep?
And at any rate, the writer spells out what he is up to on the blackboard in one of the scenes (after the jewish slur in the playground) to put it all in context... "... (word not seen), The use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule or the like in exposing, denouncing or deriding vice, folly etc." How much clearer does he have to get!!!
Cheers, Pb
Funny, how the racist slur is what's "offensive"...when Kimberly (playing a WASP)
is ultimately a perjuring racist fame seeking sociopath. How's that not offensive to WASPs? Or maybe the WASP who shoots up his school? Or the WASP arms dealer? Or how about the WASP reporter raping Kimberly for press? This movie takes its shots at everybody.
I found some of the "racist jokes" funny, but I laughed at the person saying them not the jokes themselves, I laughed at James Woods character because he was such a complete and utter racist bastard but denied it, he pissed me off but was funny at the same time, I don't laugh at racism, I laugh at racists for being dumbarses.
"Where's a barricade, goddammit I want my barricade!" Dexter Holland
"To not see the ability to use humour in looking at our culture is to miss one of the great vehicles for satire. Does the writer have to work in a one dimensional black and white way where the writing is only 1mm deep?"
Thank you, thank you, thank you Katentek! You saved me from engaging into a full diatribe against one dimensional people who would put V-Chips in everyone's heads, and whom miss irony, nuance and social statements (and whom are apparently only concerned with the anti-semitic remarks against Jews, but not against Arabs and Palestine). I thought the film was equal opportunity and CLEARLY witty satire. Hey let's censor Jon Stewart next, shall we? Hey let's get rid of this whole 1st amendment thing because some can't 'handle it.'
For all those who didn't 'get it'; the rest of us with discerning, critical minds should surely suffer with trite, bland, saccharine, treacly and cliché pablum. ... and yes, that last part, for those who don't get it, was infact sarcasm -- look it up. Those who didn't get the tone and tenor of this film obviously aren't too adept at interpreting the subtleties of language, art, nor life, in the first place.
Probably too late to get into this arguement, buuuut, Boobie, I do know Skander and I know that he's one of the least homophobic, least sexist, especially least racist guy I know. He's unbelievably laid back.
and if you ever cared to notice, most movies that get made nowadays are rife with something unsettling. You can't create characters in a movie that are going to be black and white.
If you didn't care for the movie, sobeit, but this is the world, isn't it?
KTF
"Oh, I get it. It's very clever. How's that working for you?"
"What?"
"Being clever."
I personally thought the film was considerably well done.
"Payback is a b*tch" seems to sum up the film for me.
It isn't sugar-coated so it's not the faint of heart. James Woods was the funniest thing in the film, which is hardly surprising as he's the most experienced part of the cast.
Now, about the 'racism' in the film. Boobie give it a break. You have no idea what it feels like to stand in line and be looked at as 'one of "those" people' so just stop posting your asinine opinion.
Agreed there was a lot of racist language used in the film, but it's directed at everybody so no one can act as the victim. Skander Halim is Muslim, Evan Rachel Wood's Jewish and the others are Christian. It's a film for crying out loud. If they don't push the envelope, who will?
Ms Wood's capacity to portray intensely flawed characters never ceases to amaze. Thirteen would be a good starting point, followed up brilliantly by this film. I'm rather saddened by her involvement with Marilyn Manson, though...seems the Dark Side got her after all :P
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handfuloftights got it completely right -
"I very much doubt the writers of this film are racist. The racial slurs in this film are used to highlight the small-mindedness apparent in American upper-middle class society. None of the characters who use racial slurs in the film are shown in a positive light but I guess you must be lacking the intelligence to understand that just because Kimberley Joyce is the main character doesn't mean she is automatically the "good guy" and we have to agree with her."
Couldn't have said this better myself.
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