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if there was ever a movie that i went into wanting to like more...


then i can't remember, but this movie disappointed. i guess i was hoping that it would be dialogue-driven, but it was just straight artsy-fartsy.

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the conversations wern't really that interesting but i think the point wasn't to make it an interesting movie about ideas (like say, waking life) but more to just be real and raw with the audience. the conversations in the movie were the same everyday conversations we could be having as we go out for coffee. real life is boring and awkward and i think that's what this movie was trying to show.

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but so much of it was contrived, bill murray, tom waits

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true, i agree that bill murray's scene was. perhaps just for comic relief?

tom waits on the other hand, i very much disagree. I think that iggy and tom's conversation, though perhaps exaggerated, was very real. it's been a bit since i've seen this film, but from what i remember, tom was throwing out ridiculous scenarios to why he was late, etc. i think this was the sort of conversation (exaggerated so you get the idea) you have with someone who is just a complete liar and you can see right through them. i'm having trouble putting this into words, but i know someone so much like his character. i know that frustrating feeling where you just know they're full of it, which im sure many do. anyways, i may be off, but regardless, perhaps both were just comedic relief.

however, i still feel this movie really was just trying to illustrate the diverse, and mostly boring, conversations we really have with one another. how different it really is from the dialogue in hit hollywood films.

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This is a movie I enjoyed but never want to see again or anything like it.

I thought of the Iggy Pop/ Tom Waits segment, as 2 people who have nothing to say to each other, but they make the effort until the time comes they can make their escape.

I liked the Steve Coogan/ Alfred Molina part best, as it had a little plot and buildup and outcome.

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i completely agree with everything you said except the last sentence.

good movie but i'd never watch it again.

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