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Truly terrible film

posted 19 years ago by Cremasterfan
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This was just pure garbage.

Don't get me wrong the idea for the film was a good one but the dialogue was so boring. Why not actually try and have them say something interesting?

Also, how many bloody times do we have to hear all the actors say "coffee and cigarettes".

Coffee and cigarettes
Coffee and cigarettes
Coffee and cigarettes
Coffee and cigarettes
Coffee and cigarettes
Coffee and cigarettes

Please just shut up…

Oh, and the Iggy Pop sketch was embarrassingly bad, with both ‘actors’ desperately trying to manufacture some type of ‘oh you have accidentally offended me sketch, crap.’

What a truly terrible movie

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[–] [email protected] 18 years ago

Except for the Renee French and the Cate Blanchett segments, the rest weren't worth putting onto film. As an indy movie, this one should prove to everyone that many indies are made by people with too much time, money and ego as opposed to those with talent.

[–] Christoffer_Glans 18 years ago

"Except for the Renee French and the Cate Blanchett segments, the rest weren't worth putting onto film. As an indy movie, this one should prove to everyone that many indies are made by people with too much time, money and ego as opposed to those with talent."

Well, that's just your opinion. I think most of the segments are really good.
I love the Alfred Molina and Steve Coogan segment. Maybe because I'm inside the movie industry and see these "power struggles" and *beep* all the time.
I laughed so hard when Coogan tried to change his attitude after discovering Alfred knew Spike Jones.

I think this movie is for certain people. People who doesn't like it, doesn't understand it.

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[–] eaten_peppermint 18 years ago

Oh ok, so the only filmmakers with any talent are the ones making all the blockbusters?

[–] Adlytheartfag 18 years ago

Pretentious *beep*

[–] knoxville322 18 years ago

i completely believe that this is the worst movie ever made. people will always tell me that i need to understand it. i dont wanna understand it, i wanna watch a movie and be entertained. this movie was awwwwwful. if u liked it than theres seriously something wrong with u. i get sik just thinking about this piece of garbage.....AWFUL!

[–] eaten_peppermint 18 years ago

Dude...you shouldn't let this movie get to you THAT much. If you wanted to be entertained by something with high action and obvious humour...then why don't you watch a Michael Bay film or something.

And I think people overexaggerated when they say "worst movie ever made." Come on now, there are more movies SO much worse than this one supposedly is. I'm not saying Coffee and Cigarettes was this big, great, meaninful film -- I just happened to enjoy the quirky little bits of it. Now, quirky to me, may not be quirky to you and that's fine.

Anyway, I'm just amazed at how much people get all worked up about films.

[–] summer_sky 18 years ago

Not the best, but good. Mainly because I watched it for the fact that it's not one of those mainstream blockbusters that perhaps moviegoers like you favor.

"This was just pure garbage."

I think it's ridiculous to watch a film with expectations, which you obviously did.

Cate Blanchett, Alfred Molina, Bill Murray and most of the actors were great to watch.

[–] knoxville322 18 years ago

dont get me wrong. im not 1 of those people who need lots of action in their films. i like all kinds of movies. i just strongly think that this movie was really bad.

[–] al-436 18 years ago

I thought the tom waits, iggy pop segment was hilarious.

[–] risa_rami 18 years ago

Nothing ever happens in this film. It is so frustrating. Really quite a sad attempt at film making. What was the director's bloody point? It was so damn pointless.

So reminiscent of my life and the above poster's and the poster before that and the one before that and the one before that and ..... oh yeah and the one before that. Hmmmmm.... after some consideration maybe this was a sketch about ... life... oh maybe humanity too. Lol. I am sorry. I quite like the pointlessness of my life though. It has a certain charm. I couldn't live without it (hehe).

[–] evenflow281 18 years ago

It doesn't really have a point in a traditional plot-based film sense. For a lot of people the idea of a film without a plot is like a car without wheels, but a lot of Jarmusch's stuff doesn't focus on the plot. Coffee and Cigarettes is about the relationships between the characters, the quirks, conversations, and obsessions that really are what makes up life. I hate to break it to you, but life isn't about car chases and great, boundless romances.
Coffee and Cigarettes is. If you were to take a five minute snapshot of your life, it's going to look like Coffee and Cigarettes, not Terminator 2.
I relate to this film a whole lot more than I do any action film I see.
I really loved this film, especially the Iggy Pop/Tom Waits, Alfred Molina/Steve Coogan, and the White Stripes vignettes.

[–] tripmixx 18 years ago

"If you were to take a five minute snapshot of your life, it's going to look like Coffee and Cigarettes"

Then I'm glad I haven't seen this movie, and from what Iv read here I'm not going to I think. If the above statement is true this movie would suck. Don't get me wrong, I'm not very into mainstream movies and I like a lot of strange "nobody has ever heard of it" movies but I don't thinks this would be one of them. Maybe I'll see it some day I'm very very bored...

[–] knoxville322 18 years ago

that sketch was not funny at all. it the stupidest thing ever. the only 1 that was kinda funny was the 1 with the old italian guys.

[–] carnetremul 18 years ago

Well, Mr. I like "Welcome 2 The Dollhouse", I truly loved this movie ... It just all made perfect sense !

+ 'Don't care what u're saying, the actors were amazing, music I won't even mention and the camera was in all the angles it could b so ...

"I'm thirsty & your daughter is a cow ! Do the math ! "

[–] knoxville322 18 years ago

dude the movie sukd and u know it.

[–] Jase778 18 years ago

OK Black & White is fricken dead! Unless you have a reason, SIN CITY, you need to film a movie in COLOR. Filming in Black & White is only trying to distract from the Bad Acting and/or FILMING not to mention a cheap way to get away from actual good film Making. Save us all from a method that was NEVER really meant to be except a cheap way to make a film.

Also not to mention some bad acting in this movie. I think I rather see somebody get killed with some blood, gore and nudity before ever watching this boring movie again.

I guess only Cigarette Smokers can only understand this boring movie! Because they can only understand boredom.

Maybe this movie was shot through a cigarette filter. Dark and Cancerous, Only to kill everybody around it eventually.

This movie basically is boring and stupid, please do not waste our time with this BS. What is with the fan coming up to ask for an autograph? WASTE OF TIME and pointless.

[–] knoxville322 18 years ago

thakyou dude. i feel the exact same way

[–] muskyfingers 18 years ago

thank you. just when i thought the people on these message boards couldn't blow my mind anymore, someone like jase778 comes along and just completely knocks me off my feet with a statment of pure idiocy. in fact, i don't believe for a second that that's a real opinion. it has got to be a joke, right? please someone tell me that this person is not serious. please. i'm begging someone, anyone to tell me that people who honestly feel that way just don't exist. christssake, what planet am i on?????

[–] moss_ryder-1 18 years ago

very funny, shooting in b/w to DISTRACT from bad acting. absolutely friggin hilarious:)

[–] owen-joyce1 16 years ago

Why did you even watch it all the way through? Sin City? Distraction from the acting? Surely due to not being distracted by colour you would pay more attention to the acting.

[–] carnetremul 18 years ago

No I don't :) ...

Jarmusch is 1 of my personal favourites ... !!!

"I'm thirsty & your daughter is a cow ! Do the math ! "

[–] ParanoidAndroid1982 18 years ago

I think Jim Jarmusch tried so hard to be arty and cool, that he totally forgot about content. The actors are boring and the sketches are absurd, there's no meaning in any of that. It's a shame because I thought the idea was great.

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[–] intexor 18 years ago

I consider myself to be a very openminded person when I watch stuff that's just different from the majority of movies out there, but I was really bored by this movie. The fact that it's all improvised by the actors doesn't really change the fact that most of the shorts are simply not interesting. If this were 11 short movies with outstanding dialogue one would remember for a long time after seeing it, I wouldn't be complaining. But none of those conversations are even close to be worth remembering, and they hardly involve any acting. Maybe other people think otherwise, but I really found the whole thing pointless.

[–] knoxville322 18 years ago

pointless and stupid.

[–] saxyscotsman21 18 years ago

i got extremely bored too. only one or two of the skits seemed to have much point at all and many seemed poorly acted. about halfway through, i stopped it and watch rambo. yeah, it was that boring.

[–] wheelz04 18 years ago

It's interesting how such a small, quiet film can be so polarizing.

This is exactly the kind of movie that some will praise as pure genius and others will blast as pretentious and boring... and those in either camp will make disparaging comments about the other.

Me, I fall somewhere in between. I didn't think this was a cinematic masterpiece by any means, and I did indeed get bored from time to time. But on the other hand, a few of the segments held me riveted, and yes, there was a point -- several of them, actually: The nature of celebrity; the banality of everyday life, whether one is famous or not; the fine line we all need to walk when dealing with others...

Finally -- and I think this is important -- I saw this 3 days ago and I'm still thinking about it, replaying the lines in my head, wondering about the meaning of certain elements... That definitely says something.

So, if you didn't like this movie, you're not necessarily an idiot who "just didn't get it", and if you liked it, you're not necessarily a pretentious intellectual art-house poser. This is a film that was not meant to appeal to the masses, so why all the venom?

[–] sonofabird 18 years ago

I completely agree with wheelz on this, save for the part about thinking about the lines 3 days later.

There's 2 type of people I can't stand in this thread:

1) the people who think it's automatically awful because there's no plot, it's based on vignettes, or it's in black-and-white.

2) The people who think it's pure genius becuase it's indie and it deals with the mundane realities of life. Here's two newsflashes: not everything that is indie or avant-garde is good and the idea of making art just about the boring actual nature of realistic life has been overdone to a pulp for a century and a half.

This is an average indie/quirky movie. It's good, and highly watchable (esp. the Iggy-Tom Waits scene, the Cate Blanchett scene, and the Coogan/Molina scene) but nothing special...especially when the bits run on for about 5 minutes longer than they should.

"Always look on the bright side of life. Do do. Do do do do do do."

[–] miarf 18 years ago

you still fail at thinking

[–] moss_ryder-1 18 years ago

good post

[–] PoppyTransfusion 10 years ago

And the awkwardness of conversations even over coffee (or tea) and cigarettes. Conversation as another form of acoustical resonance.

I'm halfway in liking this film too. Some of the segments worked really well, others felt a bit strained and the Somewhere in California one with Iggy and Ton Waits I disliked most.

A bird sings and the mountain's silence deepens.