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Deserves a rating of 7 or higher


I am surprised by the current rating of this movie. I guess it's still new and limited theatrical release doesn't help. But I still would have expected the current rating to be higher than 6.1. This was a very wel-done movie (I haven't read the book so I cannot compare). Directing, acting, screenplay, art direction, set design, the customes, music, editing, etc. were all masterfully executed. I've always liked Ewan McGregor and he doesn't disappoint in this one; I might go so far as to say that this might be his best acting (or one of his top 3). It's nice to see Jennifer Connelly again; I've always been impressed by her acting (not to mention her heavenly good looks). It's also a good comeback role for Dakota Faning who was a very promising child actor who had gone kind of missing in the last 5-6 years.

Overall, I think this is a great movie and should be rated much higher. I give it 8/10.

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As someone who hasn't seen the movie -- because it's not playing within 200 miles of me -- you should know that the book is a masterpiece. And I, too, have read the bad reviews and I wonder if people are just comparing it to the book. The trailer does look amazing, but that usually doesn't mean anything. I hope that I can see it on the big screen, but as it continues to do poorly, that looks less and less likely.

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Agree. Saw it twice in seven days. Of course, makes one wish to've read the book, if not read. Excellent performances, including the Merry character at younger ages. Dakota Fanning excellent, as were Jennifer Connelly and Ewan McGregor.

As s.o. who spent his adolescence in the 1950s and young adulthood in the late 60s early 70s, felt indebted to Mr. Roth and those who made the movie for presenting an exceptionally well-done and much needed dramatization of a tragedy obtaining in our own time, the latter of which might be termed "American Pastoral Part Two." (What would THAT family look like?) For us, my wife and me, the Levov family served as a dramatic trope for mid 20th century American cultural self-beliefs, beliefs both naive and dangerous as we're still discovering. Merry is more than a dislodged daughter, she serves as a dramatic tool--the monstrous result of a union doomed from the beginning, an "exceptional" couple. American "exceptionalism" lives and too shall die of its own unreality. Will there be anyone there to love it?

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i thought it was a terrible movie, very unengaging even in its most crucial moments 4/10







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First of all it's ok to have a minority opinion, you should learn to live with it. Your own rating is different from others, who cares? As long as you enjoyed it

Second, the movie is a bit of a hit and miss for me, and for most people who loved the book, as reported by critics and audience alike.

The script focuses on entirely the wrong aspect of the story, trying to turn it into a mystery movie instead of the rich and complex examination of the duality of American society in the 1960ies (and onward) it should be. What is the core of the novel seems to be more an excuse for melodrama in the movie.

The fine performances (from everyone but the "director" really) are thoroughly wasted on a script that smoothed out all the "wrinkles" of the human drama and eventually turns the complex characters into caricatures of archetypes. The steady conservative father. The overbearing mother. The rebellious daughter etc

Finally, the direction is bland and uneven where it should have been tense and electric.

It's a miss for me and I understand why most people feel that way but if you enjoyed it none the less, I recommend you read the movie and perhaps you'll see why people were disappointed, or perhaps not but you'll get a better insight into the story.

For every lie I unlearn I learn something new - Ani Difranco

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Like the OP I thought the film was pretty good. 7/10 for me. It's not a great film, but it's powerful and moving to say the least. I think most people have ripped it just because it is so different from the novel. However many have also stated that the novel is probably impossible to translate onto film, certainly it is impossible in only a hour and 40 minutes. The film is a much simpler story, but still a very haunting and relevant one.

Epic fail from Ithilfaen in their analysis. Did you really even watch the film?

a script that smoothed out all the "wrinkles" of the human drama and eventually turns the complex characters into caricatures of archetypes. The steady conservative father. The overbearing mother.


1. There's no human drama in the film? Come on! I'm sure not as much as the book, but the book is long and the film is of average length. Only part of the book's story is adapted, get over it.
2. There's basically nothing conservative about the Father character at all. Hello!
3. The Mother is not overbearing in any way either, unless you mean she is overbearing because of her beauty.
4. Also, I've seen most critics give Ewan far more credit than you have for his direction. As a person who has seen and rated over 6,000 films on this site, I thought his direction was quite good as well. I read about 25 reviews on the film, and only a few were all that hard on Ewan in terms of his directing. Many have praised his direction even when not totally loving the film itself. The script is actually getting far more criticism than the direction.

The family is like a shadow over the young daughter, but only because they have both been very successful in their lives, each in their own way. In the film the daughter grows to fear living up to this it seems, and is put in touch with overly radical morons due to the irresponsible and wannabe trendy therapist. Thus she finds an outlet of rebellion against what she fears, not being as successful as her parents or the like.

The main story in the film however is the fall of the Father due to the loss of his daughter. I found in this context which is exactly what Ewan has said the film is about to him, the film was quite horrifying and very effective actually. While the book may be more encompassing and complex, the film is simple but yet very relevant and eerie. The film works without compare. I think to overly compare it to the novel is silly, it's a work of art in it's own right, and it's actually a much better film than most being made today.


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agreed. very good film!

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