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Final fight

posted 8 years ago by Whovian_DW
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Now I'm not one of those who hates on nolans fight scenes. I enjoy the fights in these movies and my favourite is the first fight with bane. Im a real martial artist I've done karate and kickboxing and I know how they fought in that fight Is how 2 real guys would fight in their position. Bruce being out of shape and have a injured leg would try and end it quick as he wouldn't be able to use his speed to move around and bane was a huge guy who uses his strength to win all the time.

But anyway my point is the final fight was okay but I think it could've been much better. Ras was on paper the best fighter that he fought with his experience and I did like how batman didnt actually beat him but I would've liked a bit more back and forth fight between them both getting their hard shots in and coming close to finishing the other. Also there was a lot of shaky cam I notice that a lot in liam neesons fights e.g taken. Of course it's because neeson has 0 real skills so they need to try and make him look good.

That was the only disappointment that fight I think even the small quick fight they had in the mansion was beter. I was looking to a huge battle at the end but we got a quick 2 minute fight with barely any effective hits landed.

[–] cheezbaalz 8 years ago

Agreed, considering how cool the training fight on the ice was, it would have been nice to see Batman get a physical challenge.

[–] justanicknamed 8 years ago

Nolan's fight scenes were sh!t. The "best" one was when Batman was taking guys out at the docks, and even then we really didn't see much of him.

[–] TRinzler 8 years ago

We barely saw anything. I don't think Nolan concerns himself about fight sequences. He includes them for drama and storytelling but doesn't care for the details. Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised if he's a pacifist!

Having said that, he demands professional and excellence so would've hired people so do the choreography.

Indeed, these films were the first on screen depiction on the Keysi fighting method which is a modern martial art developed for street self defence that was chosen because it suited Batman's persona; brutally effective, completely committed and not at all flashy or showy, as well as being unusual enough to appear original to audiences. A practical consideration was that system moves were easy to execute in Bale's tight fitting batsuit!

[–] justanicknamed 8 years ago

Having said that, he demands professional and excellence so would've hired people so do the choreography.

He's still the director and it looked like sh!t. He shoved some guys and that was enough to knock them out. Worse yet was the "Bruce Lee" fight scenes in these movies in which the bad guys stood there waiting to get hit by Batman. That is, when they didn't simply fall down out of the scene without ever having gotten hit.

[–] TRinzler 8 years ago

Yeah the fight sequences were perhaps the least impressive part of these films.

[–] TRinzler 8 years ago

Bane wasn't in BB. I think you're on the wrong forum...never mind!

Im a real martial artist

LOL

I've done karate and kickboxing

I've tried Judo, Karate, Jujutsu, Shaolin, Wing Chun in that order and I'm still an amateur. A jack of trades if you will...

I know how they fought in that fight Is how 2 real guys would fight in their position.

Your use of the word "real" is amusing. I assume that here you mean real as opposed to imaginary? If so this is indeed true, but I feel Nolan lost something by making Batman realistic.

Bane and Batman are supposed to be larger than life, as this is what makes comic book characters so special. Writers must strike a balance between making them too human and too superhuman. If they're too much like us they're unimpressive but if they're too unlike us it makes them difficult to relate to. Batman and Superman personify this difference.

However, Batman is supposed to possess a peak human physique. He's Steve Rogers without the supersoldier serum. Bale bulked up for BB but then shrunk again for TDK and TDKR; combined with the less intimidating batsuit (the BB suit was actually scary!) this meant Batman lost much of the physical presence he had in the first to become someone wearing kevlar with lots of cool gadgets.

Indeed, the message of TDKR was that anyone could be Batman. He was just a symbol. Rubbish!
By the final film Nolan had forgotten the heart of the character. Batman is special precisely because he's unique. Bruce's perseverance, sacrifice, commitment, vigilance, self discipline etc. are meant to inspire others. To do this he needs to be the best, nothing less will suffice. EXTRAordinary, not ordinary! Usain Bolt would know exactly what I mean...

Bruce being out of shape and have a injured leg would try and end it quick as he wouldn't be able to use his speed to move around and bane was a huge guy who uses his strength to win all the time.

Except they're both initiated in the fighting skills of the Ninja! Admittedly, Bruce is rusty, injured and worn out while Bane is in his prime but they're still supposed to be trained killers. There were too many wild swinging haymakers in both their fights and they were both much too slow. Bale has an excuse because he was wearing a batsuit which restricted his movements but Hardy clearly hadn't trained to fight but just bulked up as much as possible, which he needed to do because he was too small to play Bane.

But anyway my point is the final fight was okay but I think it could've been much better.

I think it was an improvement because it was more technical and Bane only swings wildly after his mask is damaged, but it was still over waaaay too soon. Nolan just doesn't care much for fight sequences... (see my other reply in this thread).

The ending of TDKR was significantly weaker than the other films. Batman spends longer listening to Talia's origin story (presumably while still in shock from the knife wound) than he does fighting Bane! Talia spends so long telling it to him that Gordon has time to plant the jammer. Bane spends so long tying up Batman before shooting him. (Indeed, why bother to tie him up?) Catwoman is able to ride the batpod through the firefight outside, up the steps into the doorway, without being obstructed, hindered or apparently even noticed!