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Rachel Dawes slapping Bruce Wayne (Double-Standard?)


Unless there's a good reason for it, like a really good reason for it, I don't like it whenever there's a scene in a movie of a woman hitting a man in the face, because it's a double-standard to me. Imagine flipping that scenario, where now the man hits a woman in the face, it's not right is it? Women shouldn't get any special treatment just because they're upset, in my opinion. Bruce had the right reaction, though. He just stared at her for a moment and then got out of the car and walked away. (That's what my brother Joe, told me. "If a girl hits you, just walk away.")

I personally think that Rachel hitting Bruce in the face, twice, makes her come across as insensitive. Because it had years since he saw his parents getting murdered in front of him, and he still hadn't quite gotten over it, yet. And Rachel was basically saying to his face, "We all loved your parents, Bruce." (this was long before the slapping scene) and later on when she did slap him, she basically told him to 'get over it' and I'm watching that scene in the theater back in 2005, and I'm getting pissed off, and basically wanna tell her to her face that if her mother died right in front of her the same way Bruce's parents did, she'd be in the same boat as him.

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I think specifically as a piece of drama for the film, it works pretty good. She was willing to cross that line of driving him away if it would save him from making a bad mistake in the future and we felt it b/c she is his childhood friend/love. So it's gonna sting in more ways than one.

Besides he's a guy who is going to grow up to be Batman. People grow up in neighborhoods getting beat up by gangs, what did Bruce have? Even Spider-Man got beat up by bullies in school. If he can't take a slap from a chick, what hope does Gotham have?

Face it, most women's hits you can barely feel them. Every women isn't Rhonda Rousey. I remember a girl punching me in the neck in high school and I literally didn't move or flinch. It was kind of cute b/c she was too short to get my head and kind of had to get on her tip toes. I didn't feel it at all. I could have torn her apart. I simply ignored her though. Clowned on her later. That's confidence. She had to take that.

Politically though, you're right it's BS.

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It's a double standard, yes. And it certainly exists in reality, whether we like it or not. Refusing to show the existence of the unfair aspects of gender, cultural or racial dynamics neuters films that claim to be at least partly based in reality. That's one cultural taboo that isn't going away any time soon unless males suddenly lose their natural advantage in upper body strength overnight.

Rachel certainly could have been more gentle in her reproach, but she was quite distraught at the same time upon realizing that her best friend, whom she thought she could always believe in, was considering premeditated murder, something she had dedicated her career in legal to combating.

Besides, if she hadn't given him a good smack to make him realize that he was wrong, we might have no Batman. And that would be terrible.

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In the end, she was a bitch.

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That's the only part of the movie that I don't like. In fact, it pisses me off. If "resorting to physical violence" is bad for men, then it's bad, period.



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At least Bruce got his own back when he saved Harvey Dent instead of her in The Dark Knight.

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Think they ruined her in people's minds, all they did was make her come off as really cold and unsympathetic.

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I think you're misinterpreting the slap, she did it because she cares so much about him.

He was on the verge of becoming a murderer, he just got lucky. She was disappointed and hurt by that.

Take away the slap and just have Rachel saying "you're father would be ashamed of you", it doesn't have the same impact. I remember how silent it was in the cinema when she slapped him, then slapped him again, it said so much.

In fact I think it's one of the most effective scenes of this type I've seen. The way he just looks at her, there's a pause, then she slaps him. Very effective.

As for the double standard, it's only ever a double standard if they're equal. Women are weaker than men, and people with power have more responsibility, that a lesson you can learn from comic book movies like this.

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Same. I think she didn't know how to handle it as she saw in a matter of seconds her best friend turning into a murderer...So she slapped him because it was overwhelming to her as she loves him and cares deeply about him.

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But she never seem to be into Bruce at all.

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What? What do you mean into, sexually? What does that have to do with anything, they were childhood friends.

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She never wanted to spend the rest of her life with him.

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It depends on what you mean by "into". I never saw her as a love interest. I saw her as a best friend/sister (The fact that Holmes played Dawson's best friend on Dawson's creek didn't help) and then came the kissing scene at the end and I was like "WTH"? I guess, they needed to show that Bruce couldn't have it all. Anyway, love interest or not, she grew up with the guy so she cares about him.

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But her attitude towards him like his playboy facade and choosing Dent over him made her come off as really cold and unsympathetic. Wish they had a better characterization for her.

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This topic is for a specific scene in Batman Begins.

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I think you´re being too harsh...
I mean I do think sometimes it is a double standard...like in situations when some women create hell for some men and advantage of the fact that man "should not hit her"...
But in this instance...you know he is her brother/friend...She was shocked that Bruce was willing to kill someone...so she slapped him twice as a punishment(My mom would do it to) you know to snap out of it! To make him realise that what he wanted to do is WRONG!
But she must have felt for him...
I think that scene was good

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She wasn't telling him to get over it. She was telling him how stupid and horrible it would have been to kill Chill. He goes to prison for the rest of his life, the Wayne family name becomes known as the last one being a murderer, and the good Thomas did gets forgotten.

It was a tough love act. People need them sometimes. Bruce was going to murder a man in cold blood. He needed one. And you can definitely argue it works because he never executes anyone else in the series. That's part of the reason he has his rule. Because if he didn't he'd be just like the criminals hated. And before anyone says it, killing Harvey Dent was NOTHING like him about to shoot Chill. He killed Harvey to save a little boy and there was no other choice. That was self defense. Killing Chill would have been murder.

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No matter how one tries to rationalize it, it's still hypocritical and wrong to assert that it's okay for her to attack him physically out of anger. He would've been entirely justified in striking back by slapping the *beep* out of her, or at least hocking a huge, disgusting loogie right in her stupid face.



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So is Bruce wrong for attacking the people he does out of anger?

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Not if they're bad guys whom he would have to fight anyway. Batman vs. bad guys isn't the same thing as Rachel and Bruce interacting.



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Bruce was going to murder man, throwing away his life and everything his his father built for him. At that moment, he was a bad guy. And if two little slaps made him realize that, then it was a good decision.

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