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This trilogy has a problem which another film would have easily solved

posted 8 years ago by Drevnibor
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This trilogy consists of:
- Batman Begins, where we've seen Bruce BECOMING BATMAN
- The Dark Knight, where we've seen Bruce STOP BEING BATMAN
- The Dark Knight Rises, where we've seen Bruce BECOMING BATMAN again, only to STOP BEING BATMAN, then BECOMING BATMAN yet again, only to STOP BEING BATMAN yet again, and then, for John Blake to BECOME BATMAN.

So, during the trilogy, we've seen someone becoming Batman 4 times, and stop being Batman 3 times.
The series as a whole would be better if there was a film set between BB and TDK, where we would just see Batman being Batman - no ''rise'' and ''fall'', and all that stuff.

[–] thespidermanfan 8 years ago

when in tdk did we see bruce stop being batman?

[–] Drevnibor 8 years ago

At the ending.

[–] thespidermanfan 8 years ago

nope, not true, that was not shown at the ending, he was full-on batman for the entirety of tdk, it was only revealed later in tdkr (the 3rd and final movie) that he stopped being batman after rachel's death, but it's never mentioned or shown in tdk that he stopped being batman at the end

[–] Drevnibor 8 years ago

Exactly.
I initially loved the ending of TDK, because I thought Bruce would become a ''rogue Batman'', i.e. he will still do crimefighting, but without the aid of police (in fact, he would be pursued by them).

However, TDKR retconned that ending into it literally being Batman's final night.
Now, you could say that it's not fair to look at TDK based on what was said in TDKR, but as I wrote in the first post, I'm looking at the trilogy as a whole, and whether it makes sense.
I think that TDK can easily stand on its own, but the inclusion of TDKR's story makes me feel we needed one more film of Bruce being Batman, through and through.

[–] glynis23-282-577521 8 years ago

Think Nolan should've had a better trajectory for the trilogy, it was like a trilogy that was down played to two films but became three films again.

[–] mstrmind820937 8 years ago

I believe that there may have been a third film idea when he was making the TDK, but ultimately the death of Heath Ledger changed all that. You could see in the final scenes of TDK the subtle potential setups (ongoing Joker/Batman duel, fallout from Dent/Police and a new role for Batman as a result), the same way as he had done for BB but far moe obvious of course. You could see these results in the extra time it took to get TDKR written and completed and how Nolan and Bale would talk about Ledger after his death.

They wouldn't touch/mention the Joker storyline at all for the third film, which is strange considering how large that character loomed over the second film and it's characters. You could see most themes and threads continue from both BB and TDKk into TDKR except when it came to the Joker. Strange, jarring storywise but understandable.

But all in all, I don't believe Nolan ever made these films with Batman in mind, these were more a Bruce Wayne story to him. He likes the parent/child theme, as you can see from some of other films.

[–] d-walsh4911 8 years ago

I remember watching an interview with Nolan or something with him stating that he never intended for three films, or that he was satisfied with TDK being the last one. So maybe when the third was more of the studios yanking it out of him. I too believe Batman should have had more Batman time. All in all, Bruce maybe clocked in a year and a half as Batman.

[–] glynis23-282-577521 8 years ago

Think he has any regrets about the trilogy, anything he wishes he could've taken the characters?

[–] d-walsh4911 8 years ago

That's a good question. I never thought about it. I kind of wished we got more of Wayne's journey as Batman before it ended so quickly. Almost like their either needed to be another movie between TDK and Rises or Batman should have been active all those years instead and then maybe came upon an injury at the beginning of rises that put him out of combat during Banes arrival.

[–] TwoThousandOneMark 8 years ago

While TDK trilogy is perfect the way it is for me, I think Batman Forever is the only real film we've had ever where Bruce isn't on some crusade to rid himself of being Batman.
The animated series was awesome, the comics have of course been awesome... & rarely is Bruce pining to off his Batman role. It's nearly become cliche. Even Ben Affleck's Batman doesn't want to really exist anymore & he's with the JLA.

Give us a Batman who wants to be Batman.

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