"It was your father's fault" in regards to Bruce's parent's deaths?
How exactly was it his fault? I understand they don't want Bruce to keep feeling guilty about it, but I don't think his father should be blamed. No one should be blamed except the robber. It's not like his father could've completely controlled the situation.
I think Ducard was either playing games with Bruce or he has a backwards sense of accountability. The way the scene went of his parents death, i'm not sure you can really blame anyone.
shareThe way the scene went of his parents death, i'm not sure you can really blame anyone.
Alfred was talking about Joe Chill when he said "it was his fault." Ducard's philosophy that he was trying to instill in Bruce is that direct action is the only way to prevent tragedy.
shareReally? I was under the impression it was his father that he was regarding.
shareAlfred isn't a giant prick, so I don't think he'd be telling Bruce that his father got himself killed the day of the funeral. I concur with the other poster that he was talking about Chill. As for Ducard, he's an extremist who thinks Thomas was a misguided idealist. Look at any murder and whatnot and there's always a right winger blaming the victim for not having a weapon.
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Alfred isn't a giant prick,
This is actually helps show an example how Bruce gained his moral code, by the responses his two surrogate father figures provide to his guilt. Alfred assures Bruce it was not his fault, regardless of the circumstances that led them to the ally the coward committing the random act of violence was the only one who caused or could have prevented the tragedy. Ducard spins it to where Thomas was a coward for not having the will to protect himself and his family from this cowardly criminal, and insists injustice will harm everyone except those strong enough to prevent it. As Batman, bruce decides that like Ducard he must be strong and fight injustice, but like Alfred he realizes that the criminals alone make their decisions and prey on those weak enough to be broken, so he defends the people that Ducard essentially gave up on in the end.
share@flowerchild, lol Don't feel alone man, I was confused as well. I always thought Alfred was referring to Thomas as well for some reason. But i couldn't figure out what he meant.
shareI think maybe because Ducard said it was his father's fault, then I just automatically assumed Alfred was talking about his father as well. Probably my fault for assuming but they should've been more specific! lol
shareFirst of all I think he was just trying to piss off Bruce, but if you go deeper Ra's feels that if someone stands in your way you need to kill them.
shareAlfred did not say it was hhis father's fault. He said, "It was his fault," referring to the street robber who fired the shots
Ra's Al-Ghul did say, "It was your father's fault." He felt that Bruce's father should have fought the robber. Ra's might have been trying to rouse Bruce's anger during the training