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Why does the Treadstone Agent fight Bourne?

posted 12 years ago by canuckteach
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Bourne goes to Berlin to interrogate Jorda (I think), the last Treadstone agent (he's the guy who offed Conklin in the first Bourne film?). Jorda doesn't know anything, but he has called in an alert via his alarm system. He says he thought Bourne had come to kill him. So, why does he now attack him and initiate a deadly encounter with Bourne? Why not stay calm and ask a couple more questions - his backup was on the way anyway?

I had a similar question from the first Bourne film - a Treadstone guy attacks Bourne (and Maria) at his Paris apartment - Bourne beats the tar out of him, but the guy gets up and jumps out a window to his death - why?

That's 2 Treadstone agents who died in combat with Bourne - and I don't see why, other than it made for 2 great fight sequences!

:-) canuckteach (--:

[–] sanddragon939 12 years ago

First of all, Jarda ISN'T the agent who killed Conklin in the first film...that agent's name was Manheim. The only similarity between them is that they are both German. It's even doubtful if Jarda was a full-fledged Treadstone 'asset' like Bourne...its more likely he was some kind of point man/support staff for Treadstone agents operating in Germany, who happened to have some combat training.

As for why he attacked Bourne...its because Bourne was known to be a rogue agent at odds with the CIA, so when he showed up at Jarda's house and ambushed him, Jarda naturally assumed the worst and at the first opportunity, attacked Bourne.

With regards to Castel, the Treadstone agent in the apartment in the first film, he killed himself to avoid being questioned by Bourne. The agents are subjected to intense psychological conditioning, and its possible that part of this conditioning involves them killing themselves if they are beaten by an opponent, to avoid compromising the program.

[–] joeimpo 12 years ago

Something has bothered me forever...

How does Jason know to go to that asset's (Jarda, I guess is his name) house? How does he know who he is and where he lives?

[–] DellGriffith58 12 years ago

Yep... I've wondered the same thing for years. This is my favorite film of the trilogy but the Jarda scene always puzzled me.

Supposedly Bourne has very little memory of his past life, yet he remembers Jarda and exactly where he lives in Germany? Hmmmm...

It seems as though this encounter was added to the film strictly for the addition of a hand to hand combat scene.

Interested in hearing other opinions.

[–] sanddragon939 12 years ago

Its mentioned at the start of the film that Bourne has recovered some partial memories of his life as an assassin. Notice how he knew Conklin's name in this film and vaguely seemed to remember knowing Nicky from the past.

So Jarda could easily have been someone he remembered a bit about.

[–] Noirkiss_3 11 years ago

Ahhh i'll buy that. I'm just rewatching it and forgot how much this question nagged me. Good answer!

When there are two, one betrays-Jean-Pierre Melville

[–] clark_gillies 11 years ago

In the opening flashbacks through all the scrambled images, I am sure Munich does get a mention, also in his note book, though very breif has he not written Jardas name and Munich into it?

So he must have got something back between this and end of Identity.

[–] NotASpeckOfCereal 8 years ago

So Jarda could easily have been someone he remembered a bit about.

Jarda even has a line that is something like "I thought you lost your memory" to which Bourne replies, "You still should have moved". Bourne remembered something, at least the location, and Jarda's comments just confirmed the rest.

Be sure to proof your posts to see if you any words out

[–] spookyrat1 11 years ago

but the Jarda scene always puzzled me.

Supposedly Bourne has very little memory of his past life, yet he remembers Jarda and exactly where he lives in Germany? Hmmmm...

I've often wondered the same thing.

He only remembered the full details of "his first assignment" later in the film, but he knows where Jarda is and the Treadstone house. How?

The other things that bother me about the whole scene there are:

1 Hard to believe that Bourne who was smart enough to empty Jarda's magazine in his gun, didn't disable the house security system or even realise he'd set it off. Very un-Bourne like IMO.

2 Bourne says Jarda must have phoned in his intrusion, so the support team comes, but neither Bourne nor the audience hear him on the phone, though Bourne is in the next room. I know we are expected to believe Bourne didn't hear it...but again it's very un-Bourne like.

[–] lynnrnsd 11 years ago

The house security system is linked to the outside--that's how Jarda "calls it in". Notice, when Bourne says "You called it in?", he looks over at the security keypad. Someone else posted here that it was stupid of Bourne not to disable it-- I gotta agree with that. He's not supposed to make mistakes, right?

[–] borabosna-625-510324 9 years ago

I think Jarda WAS a full-fledged Treadstone asset.
He says: "We're the last two."

[–] dottoreguzman 8 years ago

Mannheim was chilean or atleast has a chilean passport

[–] will-694 11 years ago

Your kidding, right? He's a trained assassin with a lot of cash, picking up a sniper rifle on the black market would be a snap.

Also, judging from how he stopped off at a public locker and picked up one of several passports, he apparently has has stuff stashed all over the place including guns.

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