deaths are unsatisfactory.
Considering the horrific acts of torture and mutilation they commit throughout the film and the amount of suffering they inflict, their deaths don't feel dramatically satisfying. They're far too quick. The relatively lenient nature of there punishment feels ill fitting in relation to the brutality of there crimes.
Yep, I long to see them know what true pain and horror is.
shareYeah they should have been tortured like how they tortured their victims.
Lose the Game!!!!!!!
My husband and I were just talking about this. Agreed.
shareIn the novel, Ray's death is much more agonizing. In the book, it is Ray who strangles Albert to death in their house, and Ray is the one they capture alive in his kitchen. Kenny tells Scudder to let him deal with Ray, so Scudder and TJ leave. Kenny then uses the tools he finds to torture and mutilate Ray, then leaves him to die in agony. Ray survives for a few days until he is found by a neighbor and brought to a hospital where he dies of his injuries. When he was found, he had been blinded, castrated, and had both hands, his feet, his tongue, and his nose amputated. Kenny had tortured him and cauterized his wounds with a hot iron.
shareLike that ending more.
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In the novel, Ray's death is much more agonizing. In the book, it is Ray who strangles Albert to death in their house, and Ray is the one they capture alive in his kitchen. Kenny tells Scudder to let him deal with Ray, so Scudder and TJ leave. Kenny then uses the tools he finds to torture and mutilate Ray, then leaves him to die in agony. Ray survives for a few days until he is found by a neighbor and brought to a hospital where he dies of his injuries. When he was found, he had been blinded, castrated, and had both hands, his feet, his tongue, and his nose amputated. Kenny had tortured him and cauterized his wounds with a hot iron.
I kept thinking that the movie would go with a se7en type treatment with the bad guys. Shame we got something so unimaginative.
Its that man again!!
Gonna read the book now
shareYeah, the book was fantastic, one of my favorites in the Matthew Scudder series. The movie did a pretty good job overall of staying faithful to the book, but this was one of the major departures. Probably a good idea from a filmmaking standpoint to change it the way that they did, as it allowed them to end the movie with a more visually-appealing cat-and-mouse style fight between Liam Neeson and the bad guy.
shareThat's life - unfair... but what puzzled me was I thought the 2 bad guys was like a couple living together and could not understand (spoiler alert) why when one was shot and injured the other turned on him and after helping to get him back home then killed him?
Surely 2 to re-group after being *beep* is better than 1. Also if they was a couple / lovers then you would not want to kill ya lover - ya'd want to help him... just didn't compute for me physco's or not.
The way I saw it when it first came out (haven't watched it since then so I may have the details wrong. These two were lovers because they had a mutual respect for each other. They were both always in control and enjoyed the power they got from torturing and mutilating women. This obviously changed when the one guy got shot and ended up crying like a little bitch, basically begging the other guy to help him. I think he reminded him of his victims there and lost respect, that coupled with the fact that he is clearly a deranged psychopath just made him snap.
shareI don't think they were supposed to be a couple. They just had a co-dependent psycho relationship. One thing I liked about the film was the way they made Ray seem like the one in charge while Albert hung in the background like his sidekick. Then, at the end, it turns out that Albert was really the dominant one after all, and Ray was just the mouth.
As for why Albert killed Ray, it seemed like simple practicality to me. Ray had a gunshot wound that Albert probably didn't know how to treat, and he couldn't exactly take him to a hospital. He'd stopped being useful to Albert and was now a wounded liability, and it was only a matter of time before Scudder tracked them down again. Albert just wanted to clean up and leave town, which included ditching the dead weight that Ray had become.
BobbyBenny...you should read the book cause the real ending would satisfy you more, even me...this typical "Liam Neeson ending" is so lame...especially since one of the bad guys are Houdini and make a Houdini escape from his handcuffs in like a minute...
~If the realistic details fails, the movie fails~
Yeah those guys deserved a lot more than they got.
Great movie.
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