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Personal reaction and logic holes in the plot


I didn’t watch either <i>Ginger Snaps</i> or its sequel. Therefore this is the first of the series that I’ve seen.

Having said that, I didn’t dislike the movie; it’s infinitely better than <i>Blood And Chocolate</i> or <i>Big Bad Wolf</i>, though the latter was a pretty good horror/comedy genre film which didn’t take itself too seriously.

I also kind of liked the werewolves, for two reasons. First, the idea of a <i>permanent</i> change after being bitten makes sense, especially one which is relatively slow and long-drawn-out and not an instantaneous thing. It makes much more sense than an instantaneous change, especially one which is apparently triggered by no more than the effect of the full moon or the werewolf’s desire. And I liked the werewolves themselves, though they looked and moved like ursids (bears) instead of canids (wolves, dogs and foxes).

However, the sisters themselves left me cold, especially Brigitte. Ginger, except in her moments of wide-gooseberry-eyed glaring, was OK. Brigitte wasn’t. Her open-mouthed stares, which take up so much of the film, are more indicative of abysmal stupidity than extreme horror. And don’t even get me started on their modern use of the English language.

Anyway, werewolves and sisters apart, the film is loaded with logic holes big enough to drive a whole pack of werewolves through. A few I noticed, in no particular order:

1. Where the hell do Brigitte and Ginger turn up from in the first place?
2. If werewolfism is passed on through bites, as it evidently is, with all the symptoms of a progressive infective condition, where does a “curse” come in? How can an infection be cured by killing the person who infected you? If it’s a “curse”, how is it passed on through bites?
3. The prophecy says one sister will kill the other if the boy isn’t killed before he bites. Now, the old Native American seer woman evidently knows all about the boy and what will happen if he isn’t killed. How then does she miss out the fact that the story ends the way it does (trying not to introduce a spoiler here)? How can she prophesise everything correctly up to a point and fail abysmally thereafter? Are we talking about the sisters living on, uninfected, until the time of the first movie of the series? Why does Brigitte “see her own death” and it turns out the way it does, which, in turn, has nothing at all to do with the end of the film?
4. How have the seer and the hunter escaped the werewolves?
5. Geoffrey Rowlands. He’s there, in the fort, just bolted up in a room, not even locked, and crying loud enough for Ginger, a newcomer to the fort, to find him almost at once. Yet the people who are living in the fort never find him; not even the Reverend Gilbert, who’s the sort of man who wanders around looking for a sin to punish.
6. Why does Ginger, at the end of the film, resemble a vampire and not a werewolf? She isn’t showing the muzzle growth and physical deformation the boy showed.
7. The first dead werewolf – Claude’s brother – has, apart from a glass eye, a tattoo. Why isn’t the hair growing around and on that tattoo? Does werewolfism leave tattoos untouched as a mark of identification?


Those who have watched all the parts of the film may well find other holes. Big ones.



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1. Where the hell do Brigitte and Ginger turn up from in the first place?
They tell the men at the fort that their parents drowned when their boat overturned. When Ginger says this, Brigitte seems shocked, either showing that Ginger is lying, or Ginger (somehow) hid the fact that their parents are dead from her.

2. If werewolfism is passed on through bites, as it evidently is, with all the symptoms of a progressive infective condition, where does a “curse” come in? How can an infection be cured by killing the person who infected you? If it’s a “curse”, how is it passed on through bites?
Okay, first of all, if you've watched the first movie, it shows other methods of passing the infection, such as the passing of fluids, shown when Ginger and Jason have sexual intercourse (without protection) and when Brigitte places Ginger's blood on her own wound, allowing the infection to pas into her own body.
And, to answer your question, "curse" is just a word they use for it, and it works in the same way as an infection does. And, they meant she needed to kill the boy before he infected her. By telling her this, they gave her the opportunity to change the future, by being forewarned.

3. The prophecy says one sister will kill the other if the boy isn’t killed before he bites. Now, the old Native American seer woman evidently knows all about the boy and what will happen if he isn’t killed. How then does she miss out the fact that the story ends the way it does (trying not to introduce a spoiler here)? How can she prophesise everything correctly up to a point and fail abysmally thereafter? Are we talking about the sisters living on, uninfected, until the time of the first movie of the series? Why does Brigitte “see her own death” and it turns out the way it does, which, in turn, has nothing at all to do with the end of the film?
Some believe that the future changes with every choice we make. No-one can know what happens unless the person makes a decision about it. Brigitte did not have any chance to kill the hunter UNTIL he passed her the knife, only then, did she have an opportunity, and by then it was too late.

4. How have the seer and the hunter escaped the werewolves?
This I cannot answer. If you mean while in the forest, they both seemed to have lived where they do for a while. Or simply the werewolves had not crossed where they live yet.

5. Geoffrey Rowlands. He’s there, in the fort, just bolted up in a room, not even locked, and crying loud enough for Ginger, a newcomer to the fort, to find him almost at once. Yet the people who are living in the fort never find him; not even the Reverend Gilbert, who’s the sort of man who wanders around looking for a sin to punish.
The people of the fort may have been warned to stay away from where he was hidden, and, being a newcomer, Ginger would not of known this.
I think that it is a completely different story when your beliefs clash with your family.

6. Why does Ginger, at the end of the film, resemble a vampire and not a werewolf? She isn’t showing the muzzle growth and physical deformation the boy showed.
Depending on length of infection, age and gender, the infection may vary in how it manifests itself.

7. The first dead werewolf – Claude’s brother – has, apart from a glass eye, a tattoo. Why isn’t the hair growing around and on that tattoo? Does werewolfism leave tattoos untouched as a mark of identification?
I don't recall seeing this in the movie. So I can't answer this question.

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Regarding question number 7: the fur seemed to be not very thick arounf the tatoo but it was odd that it was so visible

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The "tattoo" appears to be a brand, not a tattoo. Branding is sort of a cauterization, which leaves a hairless area.

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Number four is easy. They are Native Americans, and are therefore filled with mystical powers that put them at one with nature. This is why they were not killed by the werewolves. Not the answer that you may have been looking for, but you know it's right.

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Regarding the tattoo being visible, perhaps the werewolf had been in a fight before being captured and killed? Maybe some of its fur got torn out during the scuffle? I forget exactly how it came to be that it ended up dead although I do remember seeing the tattoo on its body...

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Your only good point, in my opinion, is 5. Well, maybe 7 too, but that one's just minor. Anyway they've all been replied to already (genageniebop said pretty much all that I had in mind), so I'll refrain from getting into them in detail again.

I will say that I don't think Bridgitte appears dumb rather than scared & actually love her character the most, in all movies, even the second (a bit less so there but still she's cool). The "wide-eyed stare" is a valid, sensible reaction to certain personality types. And what I like about it is that you can tell that there's a primal urge to fight in it.

And the modern day English for the sisters is kind of, you know, historically inaccurate or something like that, but it's a matter of style & I thought it fit.

Still I noticed that your opinion had some nuance to it, and I think that's cool.

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Well, here are my answers:

1. Plot Generator Land. Seriously, does it really matter? They're where they were before, where Bailey Downs will one day be, presumably, so that's what counts. Where they come from isn't an important detail. But, if you REALLY want an answer, probably somewhere that Ginger got that black eye at.

2. It doesn't. Remember (SPOILERS) the first movie, Brigitte kills the wolf that bites her. She still turns into a lycanthrope. So the whole thing about the "curse" is superstition.

3. This one is way too easy to spot: one sister DOES kill the other, if you think about it. Ginger, in a way, damns Brigitte to "the curse" in both a pharmacological and mythical sense - which is where you cease to become a human being and turn into something entirely else. So the woman isn't wrong.

As for how they are alive and uninfected, the thing with Ginger Snaps Back is that it introduces this mythical dimension to the movies, and is compatible with them. This means that probably, "the curse" has a cyclical nature. The presence of Finn as Jeremy the Librarian only further proves that these characters are recycling through generations, and every time, it comes down to the two sisters, the Red and the Black.

4. I have no frakkin' idea about this one, to be honest. The Hunter, I can get, he can kill 'em like nobody's business, but the woman.... well, mystical powers? Hell, I don't know. But, I do know that wolves are territorial, so the seer woman and the hunter may have just stayed away from their territories.

5. Two possibilities: either Wallace Rowlands stayed there by himself and they only gathered for food (the house IS rather empty if you observe it) OR what another poster said, that Wallace Rowlands just made that part of the house off-limits.

6. As it is said elsewhere also, how the transformation happens differs from person to person. Geoffrey's state was horrifying, but Ginger's transformation is (in both movies) presented as being rather lovely... in a Kafkaesque way. Also, this is an alternate answer btw, Rule of Cool. Admit it, she's ROCKIN' that evil chick look.

7. Try this on for a size: the first sign of the curse is accelerated healing, right? In a way, by healing, the mutogen has a chance to replace tissue with itself and increase its hold on the host body. Now, tattoos, are essentially ink-stained scars on the skin, which have already HEALED. Maybe, the healing factor brought by the mutogen ("the curse") can't heal scars or things like glass eyes.

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