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It annoyed me that Brook got pigeon holed into that criticism

posted 8 years ago by Hanz-Willhelm2
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and didn't fight back and reject the entire premise of the complaint.

Her husband sat in the front instead of the back. They harped on that 20 times and almost fired her because of it and she fought back with such weakness and timidity. She never even disputed the claim.

I was wanting her to FIRMLY, VERY FIRMLY utter reject it the very first time it was brought up by saying...

"Yes, I WANTED to be in the front with my husband in the back...he refused to do it. My husband who isn't on our team and not part of this show and not subject to me or the project manager wouldn't do what we/I wanted so we took the only shot he'd agree to"

They act as if him not posing for the shot somehow was her decision.

It annoyed me she didn't just throw it right back at them with that and then never budge from that position. If they had models and chose to pose the model in a way the company didn't like that's one thing but when a husband pops in to do a favor and it becomes a couples shot rather than a solo pose you can fault a wife for her husband to refuse to be photographed a certain way.

Lamar Jackson for Heisman!

[–] homer34 8 years ago

She needed to stop being a stepfird wife and her husband needed to stop being insecure about his masculinity

[–] kem7696 8 years ago

Well she knows how her husband is, so why she even suggested him in the first place is beyond me. You can't tell me that she didnt know he might have a problem with that when she asked him. So in a way it was her fault. He didnt all of a sudden become a mucho guy when they were shooting that picture.

[–] Geek_XX 8 years ago

She let him run the project, so in hindsight it was the PM's fault for letting him take over.

[–] Hanz-Willhelm2 8 years ago

I agree partially. "Let him run" may be a little too strong. He's not involved in it and they have no control over him. Really they only had two choices, 1) just don't use him at all or 2) go ahead with a photo that he is willing to pose for.

Choosing to shoot the photo he is willing to do instead of just shooting something without him at all isn't 100% letting him run it.

I think they needed men in the shoot. It's one thing to be inclusive of women and to include women into the marketing (as intended buyers) but when men are the vast majority of the target demographic (since they are the ones who buy motorcycles) it is a huge gamble to focus all of the marketing, all of the photos specifically only at women when the market share of bikes bought by women is quite small compared to bikes bought by men.

I did think if was funny when it looked as if she was about to get fired, envisioning their conversation at home: "I got fired off of the show because you wouldn't get on the back of the bike...thanks a lot".

Lamar Jackson for Heisman!

[–] Geek_XX 8 years ago

Yah, maybe too strong, but he did make it seem like he was refusing to participate if the photo wasn't done his way.

Frankly at that point, you then tell hubby to shove it and hire a male model to do the job and actually listen to the idea.

[–] RoundTheTwist 8 years ago

I totally agree Geek.

The PM should have been on top of that. If Charvey didn't want to do it, they could have got a model in who would have.

It's a failure on the PM's part. Brooke should have made that point though.

[–] ms2000vette 8 years ago

Brooke deserved to be fired. Kyle would have survived if he she had simply told Arnold in the board room that Brooke was insubordinate, had changed the photo concept, and that she was too weak to reel in her husband.

[–] Hanz-Willhelm2 8 years ago

I'd have to re-watch it. I don't know what you are talking about. She changed the photo concept, she was insubordinate? Refresh me, if she did something outside of what the project manager told her to do I didn't catch it. What did she do?

Weak? Not making someone who is strong do something they don't want to do isn't weakness (or it doesn't have to be weak), it just means someone else is strong. You are basically arguing someone has to do something they don't want to do. If someone is strong and chooses to do what they want regardless there isn't much you can do about it. What if they wanted her to pose nude on the bike and she said no, isn't she than considered strong? Isn't she weak to be coerced into posing nude if they don't want?

Weak/Strong doesn't necessarily apply when it comes to forcing others to do what you want. Weak people may be manipulated or coerced but strong people may not. I'd say it shows that guy having strength vs. her having weakness.

I know I don't do certain things even if my wife wants me to. Sometimes I'm just set in my course of action or inaction and there's nothing she can do about it. We share our lives but we don't rule over one another. There can be exceptions and we can negotiate at times depending on how much she wants something vs. how badly I don't want to do something (I just mildly object but it isn't a big deal vs. I strongly object and absolutely will not budge).

I don't know if she is weak or not but just not getting her husband to change isn't a sign of weakness in and of itself.

Lamar Jackson for Heisman!

[–] kem7696 8 years ago

She changed the concept, becuase the original concept was the have her on the front and her husband on the back, so that's how she changed it. I guess in a way you could call it insubordinate, but not sure I would.

Brooke is weak when it comes to her husband. She should have said "This is the way we are doing the photo and i understand if you don't want to do it, but if that's the case, then we will get someone else or we don't need you anymore". Instead she bowed down to him and did it his way. Also her husband was more or less an a@@ about this. It was her butt on the line and he couldn't let go of his macho attitude for 5 minutes to do what they needed. He was selfish. Posing nude and having a guy sit on the back of a bike are 2 totally different things.

It's partly Brookes fault b/c she's married to this man, she knows how he is, he didnt all of a sudden become this kind of guy, she had to know ahead of time he would have an issue with this. She also should have informed him of this idea before hand, that way they could have gotten another guy. But its also's Kyle's fault for picking that picture. She should have totally not used that one. IMO it was either Kyle or Brooke that should have been fired and Kyle was.

[–] ms2000vette 8 years ago

Brooke was weak - this is for charity, and she showed that when delegated with the responsibility to carry out her portion of the photo shoot, she failed. Had Kyle pushed harder on it in the boardroom and called out Brooke for being the weak link, she would have stayed.

As for your take on the wife/husband relationship - sure, we all live through that and it is personal, BUT when it comes to charity and seeing how his wife would be viewed, he could have played ball.

[–] KingTrump 8 years ago

Also Kyle never cleared up to Arnie that her previous ideas that were losing ideas were not her fault because of the team not staying with the idea.

[–] PSXre 8 years ago

As soon as they found out he was unwilling to do it, they should have said goodbye and found someone who was willing. 2017 and you're too chicken to do a photo shoot where you're on the back of a motorcycle?

Which, to be fair, does rest on the project manager for not getting him the hell out of there.

[–] big_kmc 8 years ago

Brooke insisted they use her husband for her idea so they agreed based on that premise.

Husband came and changed idea b/c his manhood is so very fragile.

She lets him change the idea without just using another guy, one of the guys already being used in the shoot with porsha for example, than acts like commercials should be taken literal and not have an artistic concept.

They told her ten times in the boardroom that it was so close that even Kyle got money for her charity, that's how close it was, and that it came down to one thing. She kept arguing that it did not in fact come down to one thing and Kyle who doesn't know how to stand up for herself, couldn't remind them of these facts or the fact she has been a strong player making numerous suggestions while I can't think of anything that Brook has contributed. When that team has failed it's been because they didn't execute kyle's ideas as she proposed them. But kyle still had many good ideas.

[–] lazygafiltafish 8 years ago

I agree with some of the posts here. If David Charvey wouldn't get on the back, hire a male model or hell, chances are any of the women on the team know a good looking famous guy who would do it. Honestly, I thought it should have been a double firing- Brooke and Kyle. Kyle should have been fired long ago. Brooke has never stepped up to be project manager or even anything really. She just volunteers people to be the project manager. It's obvious to me (at least from watching the show) that she's tried to be under the radar for too long. It'w also strange to me that she wouldn't just ask her husband (and know her husband...) before he got there if he would go behind her on the motorcycle because the money will go to charity. If he flat out said no, don't waste your time trying to talk him into it.

[–] mamie-lou 8 years ago

She looked afraid to go against her husband. I can imagine what their home life is like! I think Kyle should have stepped up and said "He won't do it? Okay, thanks David. Male Model, you're up!" As was mentioned before. Then Kyle would probably still be there. But then again, if you're not able to stand up for yourself in the boardroom, like Kyle was, I don't think the show is for you. I agree, Brooke is flying in under the radar and I think that's why she wanted to be the PM on the second task. But Ricky took over and almost got himself fired. I'm looking forward to seeing how this plays out now that the teams are combined.