As soon as they showed Ethan Hawke at the police station, I knew it was him. Of course...he turns himself in so that he will be the last one they would suspect...because he was interrupted when he was killing his last victim...It was such a cliche...Act like the good guy..
shareRight, that was what was so annoying. He overacted the innocent dumbass, and spoiled it all. Too bad ...
shareYeah Ben...Ur right about the overacting...he really did overact when he was being questioned. And I just knew it was him...God, that ruined the movie for me...But then I guess, sometimes Hollywood makes some predictable movies.
shareI knew it too but not because of Ethan Hawke acting, he did it fairly ok for me.
The problem is always the stupid scripts they write.
Let's assume he didn't have time to run away so he pretended to be helping the person, and somehow he planted evidence so Keifth Sutherland would be blamed.
It's too hard to believe even for a movie. }
Now the ending was totally predictable, it was too obvious Angelina wasn't really pregnant, and not just because she fells on her belly. It was just obvious what she said, she wanted him to look at her.
The only thing I expected and was going to save the movie for me was that she would have hidden a gun on the fake belly, but no, she used those pair of scissors.
The best thing was Angelina sex scene. She is so hot.
Apparently the "interruption" was by the killer himself. He said he saw the killer, tried to help the victim and called the cops. This suggests he wanted to insert himself into the investigation, as serial killers sometimes do. He already had been making no attempt to hide the bodies, so it was like he was taunting the cops.
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You are correct, the killer did stage his own "interruption". Makes me wonder what movie some of the people with posts above yours watched.
I can't usually guess these things but from that police station scene onwards even I was "He's the one! He's the one!". Maybe we're just too used to these kind of films that we're looking for the twist?
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One of the things that gave it away to me right away is that both Paul Dano and Ethan Hawke have unsually shaped faces in my opinion, especially their mouths. It would have been wiser to get an actor playing the younger Martin who looked less like Hawke--he was supposed to be skilled at changing his identity, including his physical appearance, so that would have made sense.
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I guess I thought they made it too obvious it was him and therefore it wouldn't be. Which I guess was there plan because it was him.
sharewould you mind explaining?
shareI thought it was him for sure at the same point as you. But then I 2nd guessed myself because it was toooo obvious. I thought maybe they were just trying to throw us off so we would think it was him but end up being someone else.
But then it was him.
So I guess what I meant was, did they intend to do that (and get the reaction they got from me) or did they honestly not realize how obvious they made it?
I Hope that makes sense.
One has to be a very smart filmmaker to throw the audiences off balance by trying to make it appear that it was Ethan, but taking a turn in the story to use someone else as the killer. The killer could have even used Ethan as an accomplice.
You have to think like a criminal/killer to recognize the body language to know instantly it was him, or be a psychoanalyst to see it. One doesn't have to be both. One can be both. One can be either of the two. Or one can just be plain smart to see it. Or just have the seventh sense to recognize it.
They didn't realize that they were making an obvious 'mistake', because as usual they failed to do research.
Even Hollywood makes dumb movies/mistakes. Consultants are always missing.
I knew Hawke was the killer when Sutherland was killed and there was just too much time left in the movie, LOL. Doesn't mean I was smart, but it was obvious then. Fine movie.
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I knew Hawke was the killer when Sutherland was killed and there was just too much time left in the movie...Yeah! From there you just had to see how it played out. I didn't mind it though.
I completely agree. They should have cast an unknown.
shareI suspected during the police station scene at the beginning but I knew it was Hawk when they kept bringing him into the investigation as bait and a victim etc. It was sloppy.
The beginning was far to heavy handed. The film makers wanted us to suspect Hawk. Let's look at the first few scenes. We know our killer takes other peoples identities, we know he changes his appearance and we know he's been getting away with it for a long time. Now as the audience we're looking for the surprise twist character that is revealed to be the killer. It was set up to make us think that way! Then we get hawk and the police think he might be the killer. They plant the seed right there. Now we too are thinking it could be Hawk.
Now, if he just faded away during the investigation or maybe showed interest in Jolie but that's it, then it might have worked. Probably not, but possibly. However, the movie proceeds to force Hawk into victim roles like the killer is after him yet we never ever see a scene of Hawk getting attacked or being a victim while he's alone. It's obviously fishy. So anyone with half a brain knows it's Hawk at this point. The only thing keeping me engaged is thinking it's SO obvious that surely they will reveal it isn't Hawk after all. Alas, it is and the movie ends up being shallow and predictable.
Another thing that bothered me were the dead end discussions about the boys being twins and one of them dying and Martin having glasses and an ear tick etc. What was all of that for? The room downstairs? The mom hiding it? Why? My impression was that the original script had a different twist involving the twins. Perhaps Martin was the one that died. Couple re writes later and pieces of that script stayed in but ended up not going anywhere. It's to bad. The tone of the movie was very well done and the acting was great.
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