Noticed something


in the episode descriptions on the DVD covers. The PTB were never mentioned in the series but the cover references "the almighty powers that be". Also we've had discussions as to wether Rube or the PTB assign the reaps. I've always said it was Rube because of scheduling conflicts, emergency situations etc. I believe he even said it was the PTB in one episode, though he may have just told the reapers that to keep them from arguing with him. Anyway, an episode description says "Rube gives George the day off on the anniversary of her death".

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As far as who or what is deciding which reaper is paired with each reap....even tho the reapers once in a while talk as if reaps can be switched between reapers - the Movie is the latest example, but not the best source for answers on this - there is not even one case in which reapers switch and many in which it's affirmed that some authority above Rube makes the decisions.

For example, it's clearly stated and a pivotal part of the episode and scene in a Fuller episode when George just fails to show up for her reap who dies with his soul trapped and She meets Roxy and Rube at the morgue. There Rube makes it clear only she can remove the soul. If he had any power over the issue it would seem likely he would step in and take care of it. After George removes the soul Rube has Roxy escort the soul while he talks one on one with George communicating that if she refuses to cooperate forces above himself (implied) will just make her go away.

In another S2 episode 'Rite of Passage' George is selected by someone above Rube - that seems pretty clear - to reap a VIP or celebrity. Rube says as does George herself that it's an indication that someone thinks she's doing a good job even tho she's only been reaping for a year.

That the decision as to which reaper goes with which reap is left to the PTB is intriguing on several levels.

One is that as you mentioned no one among the characters - not once - mentions directly the Powers That Be or the supernatural force that sidelined and created them after their deaths. References are always indirect.

And yet the PTB have a central crucial role thru-out the series. The Fuller/producers/writers -somebody - should win an award for creating a character that is never referred to/never says anything/never appears in front of the camera and yet plays such a crucial role in moving everything and everyone in front of the camera.

The key episode telling us a lot about the PTB and revealing the layering in their activities is episode 205 'Hurry' when Rube gets the envelope with the cash that he tried to send to his daughter some 77 years prior. That envelope and his reaction to it forced the audience to reinterpret all the prior S1 and S2 episodes and took the plotting complexity to a whole new level.

The episode is superficially about the efficiency expert coming to Happy Time and there are numerous subplots showing the living and reapers trying to do things quickly. There's a nice visual contrast with all the hustling around compared to Rube's standing in line at the post office for hours apparently to get a package, which turns out to be a letter he tried to send 77 years prior and which the PTB sidelined for all that time before finally giving it back to him.

The PTB - the character we never see - are operating on a timescale and have motivations that we as the living can't understand,and the implications of that are fasinating.

Below are excerpts from commentary on 'Hurry' at this thread that focus on the PTB:
http://www.deadlikememovie.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57&p= 1546#p1546

It seems the PTB’s time scale of response is a patient one. For reasons not made clear in this episode (or this season for that matter) they sidelined the letter at the post office for all this time and it seems very deliberately now decide to return it to Rube. A message perhaps to Rube that they know what he tried to do and that his attempt to help his family failed. Rube shows not a hint of concern for the former part of the message, but is devastated by the latter fact – that the money never arrived. Importantly we the audience aren’t told why this upsets Rube so much.



That the letter was intercepted, held at the post office for 77 years, and then returned to a different return address without any name to identify Rube implies a lot about the nature of the PTB and the extent to which they are actively managing/intervening in the development of all of the reapers. To this point in our story there have been hints that the PTB do intervene, but this particular example takes it to a whole new level changing the interpretation of every action – past and future in all the episodes - in connection with the reapers taken by the PTB. They are still a distant unseen power, but that they knew he sent the letter, intercepted it, and then returned it to him despite the steps Rube took to distance himself from any obvious connection to himself tells us that there’s really not much if anything about the reapers’ activities that the PTB don’t know about, and therefore, their failure to take immediate direct reaction to transgressions cannot be interpreted as ignorance on their part, but a deliberate choice (whatever the reaper characters themselves believe). And, in this DLM universe and the way the stories are told, we, the audience and the reapers, are kept very much in the dark as to the PTB and their motivations and goings on.

They seem to be manipulating Rube (and by extension all the reapers) toward some personal growth or change allowing him to revisit where he left things with his daughter (if not the wife who died in 1941).

As this story unlayers itself this returning of the letter has a huge impact on Rube, but it was just one factor affecting him. His receiving into his care George, whose early reaper growth has parallels with Rube’s early history, and his day to day contention over her own attempts / temptations to get involved with her struggling family just a short distance away - all this had to awaken within Rube his suppressed / compartmentalized memories of his own struggles / temptations regarding his wife and young daughter- as we see in a later episode his dreams begin to affect his sleep later this season.

By the time the PTB drop the letter back in front of Rube basically telling him 77 years after the fact that he failed to give Lucy/Rosie the cash, which based on his reaction they must have desperately needed, they’re opening him up to a renewed sense of guilt about his not helping his family. The family he probably put into a desperate situation when he used the gun we saw in flashbacks to earn his own wanted poster and probably bringing about his death. In 1927 there was no government social support system. Lucy was a young woman born abroad (Czechoslovakia) and as far as we know was not from Seattle and therefore unlikely to have had her own family’s support to fall back upon. And, it’s very likely that Rube’s death would have placed them in very difficult circumstances – a much higher level of stress than George’s death meant to her family, which given she was a teenager stressed her parents and sister probably contributing to their divorce, but was never life threatening.

That the PTB would force upon Rube a reopening of the guilt he must have put away so many years before is an extremely intriguing development, since up to this point in our story, everything we’ve learned about the PTB is consistent with their wanting reapers to stay away from the living and any interference with fated deaths and surrounding events – their own or anyone else’s. This goes even more so for reapers and their living family members, and yet here the PTB are initiating / provoking a reaction in Rube that seems almost certain to push him towards breaking the rules (as both Penny and Roxy point out later to Rube (and to us the audience) when he takes steps to find and make contact with his daughter before she dies).

What is clear is that the motivations/goals of the PTB are much more complicated than anything in the prior episodes led us to believe and the character development and plotting are operating at a more submerged level than the average story told on TV. This is all the more intriguing because from this episode, which seems to reveal a higher patient benevolent side to the PTB, there is also a step up in showing the dark side of being a reaper working for these same PTB. These darker elements keep popping up as the 2nd season progresses and given how they stand out changing direction from the tone set earlier are likely to be an important background intended for the 3rd season.

The return of the cash filled envelope, as mentioned above, is a signal that the third primary theme is there. If my earlier speculations regarding Reggie being the trigger bringing together a real collision between present day events surrounding George/Reggie and Rube’s experiences with his own family, then the producer/writers of the series had to effect a change of tone during the second season and into the third in order to make the danger faced by (likely) Reggie feel anywhere close to real for the reapers involved (and for the audience).

After Fuller’s departure, there was a bit of drift as Fuller’s replacements – Godchaux and Masius - lightened things up – a lot. But in order to make Reggie and George getting together be perceived by the audience as dangerous the happy talk needs to be dialed way back and the dark side of being a reaper – or in our story’s case being one of the living interacting with / learning about reaper existence - has to be dialed up.

If we take Daisy at her words up to now she’s been having a pretty good time ‘interacting’ with the living at no cost whatsoever. And the challenges we’ve seen post Fuller are mostly of a personal nature – coming to terms with personal inconveniences of being undead, but not much indication that a higher power can react in any dangerous way to transgressions. The last really serious threat happened in a Fuller S1 episode when George neglected to reap her mark and Rube, Roxy, and George all convened at the morgue where Rube clearly laid out a threat to George’s existence if she failed to cooperate with expectations.

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In Season 1 it was implied that the PTB were delivering the lists to Rube. He'd transcribe them to his ledger then make the Post Its. He even yelled at the messenger in the A Cook episode. That was the closest we ever got to see any interaction with the PTB.

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I agree. There was a deleted scene that showed that messenger's shadow too, but no details.

Like so much in the series how Rube gets the information is left vague.

Was the messenger someone or thing working as an agent for the PTB? or the PTB manifesting in physical form?

And if an agent where is he coming from?

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The PTB may have given Penny the reap because they knew that she would contact Rube, or Penny may have been a head reaper (the reason for leaving Rube's group) and taken it herself.

Rube may have told George those things as a way of getting her to buy into the whole business of reaping. He was the best head reaper which is probably why George was assigned to him and why Daisy was transferred to his group.

The PTB may have originally been intended to assign the reaps and maybe they still do but it seems like Rube would have to reschedule in an emergency. If George was scheduled to reap someone when she was thrown in jail, I don't think that person wouldn't get reaped. I know it happened with the guy in the morgue but if George bolted would Rube have freed his soul or just left him be?

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As to PTB giving Rosie's reap to Penny deliberately because they anticipated she would break rules for Rube -- very likely. Giving George to Rube and returning the envelope to Rube were both provocative and together these directly and predictably led to Rube's seeking out his daughter. So Penny would fit right in even tho Penny was not likely even remotely aware of it.

I don't agree that reaper group leaders - Penny in this case - have any role in deciding who gets which reap. I've seen nothing in the episode action or dialogue that points to that.

Probably Rube and the other reapers know a lot more than the writers reveal in the dialogue. They seem an incurious lot about certain obvious questions. Although in early episodes Fuller had George confront Rube about this curiosity issue and Rube's response betrayed a deep resignation to fulfilling the orders for reaps - no questions asked.

I'm not sure on what basis you believe Rube to be the best head reaper. He's the only one in the series we get to know. Penny - likely another one - we only meet very briefly.

As to why Daisy was transferred to Rube's group.....there was very little explained on this. Given her fondness for celebrity and superficial sophistication being transferred to Seattle from New York was likely meant as punishment - a sort of Hell within reaper purgatory designed just for her. Also keep in mind that in view of Daisy's obsessive need to manipulate men and her ability to do so (e.g. Mason) at will it was a diabolical move to give her to Rube since he is clearly from day one totally immune to her when he's not actually disrespecting her. Rube outright insults her more frequently than most any of the gang with Roxy right up there in second place. As a consequence she is wary of Rube if not a little fearful. She sees him as manipulating i.e. 'withholding the love'.

Again on whether Rube can change reaper assignments. I've seen no evidence that he can. According to Rube in that early Fuller episode ONLY George could remove that guy's soul. Given the turmoil created and pain to the poor buy it's likely Rube would have taken care of it if he could.

Also keep in mind that the PTB know almost always when and where everyone is to die well in advance. There seem to be few mistakes. The one 'mistake' in the Ronnie Dobbs episode - when George was called off just before she reaped him - may have been deliberate to get the two together. Ronnie stimulated George's thinking in new directions.

I agree that given the large amounts of free will sloshing around in this DLM universe, the lack of supernatural abilities, and the time between the reaper assignments and the actual reaps there's a lot of room for problems. Gilligan as a reaper would not do at all. That's a flaw in the structuring of the DLM universe and we need to overlook it for the sake of the story IMO.

I believe Fuller was aware of the problem and that's why in the pilot things were structured so that there really would be a much easier time getting to their reaps - e.g. if George was thrown into jail she could will herself to be not noticed / seen by the living and/or walk thru the walls of the jail. Early on tho Fuller and/or those above him (those guys with the money/budget) thought more obstacles would make for more sympathetic reapers and more interesting stories.

I suspect that in Fuller's initial DLM universe rules when reaper abilities may have still been more open to changes Fuller had to construct his universe to give his reapers obstacles to overcome and this rule that reapers are tied to their reaps seems to be such a rule. In an efficient universe any reaper could take care of any reap, but that would be too easy.

Anyway, with this rule in place - and it's repeated frequently in both seasons - it encourages the audience to look for reasons as to why one reaper and not another is paired with a particular soul.

For example, in episode 206 'In Escrow' Mason is paired with the old rock star he idolized from his youth and this meeting and talk between the two affects Mason deeply. It's the episode where he advises George not to give her decision over to God because he says 'look how he *beep* us'. Given what we know of the reaper DLM universe it's possible that Mason was put there in Seattle for this reap from years before.

Or in the episode 207 'Rite of Passage' it seems right that Daisy takes care of the Priest especially in view of the effect he has on her personal growth. And, Mason seems destined for the Jeannie reap not so much due to interaction with her (there was none) but because to get to her he ran into the Bandar Goth group and Bandar's Girl. That Girl looks like a loose end - she got away with concrete knowledge of the reapers, which the PTB seem to frown on with fatal results.

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It's just hard for me to believe that the little girl on the train, the guy in the morgue, or even Hudson Hart wouldn't have their soul freed if the assigned reaper couldn't do it for some reason. The almighty PTB couldn't have known for certain that George would buy into it so soon could they? There must have been other times that reapers, like Betty, bolted.

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Have you ever watched 'Touched by an Angel'? There were no secular humanists anywhere near the writing room in that series and they said almighty God with a capital G and that God sends angels to interfere in the daily lives of the living.

While free will runs thru-out Fuller's DLM creation the PTB didn't write the episodes - writers like Fuller made the rules and wrote the episodes to make sure that such hypothetical calamities were infrequent and when they did occur they got resolved in one way or another. So while the PTB couldn't be sure what George might or might not buy into, the writers made sure she was there to help the guy out.

Betty bolting the way she did I don't put much weight on in getting to a consistent set of rules. Emotions on all sides were probably pretty raw when Fuller got removed and I suspect that the suits at MGM gave very clear orders to the writers to get Betty out 'now' and if a writer was so foolish as to point out that in the rules bible for the series Betty's quota or whatever won't allow her to be removed then that writer would have been replaced before the day was out.

The writers did give Betty a nice send off in that last episode. We got to see her back story a bit. We learned a really really obscure word that I will probably die before ever using again.

BTW Rube became a reaper the same year as Betty did.

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He did? Then why was he there to welcome Betty to the afterlife?

The PTB must make exceptions to their rules, the whole Rube visiting his daughter thing must have broken a few. They did it as a way to thank him.

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Rube died before Betty did - just in same year.

We don't know if the PTB broke rules when Rube visited his daughter, because we didn't see him meet her until just before her death. We do know she recognized him in his reaper form.

In the second season in particular in the episode 'Hurry' when Rube gets that cash filled envelope back is when the PTB are pushed to the front as a major 'character' of sorts, making choices. This is so even tho the main characters we see never directly mention them, nor do they appear on screen.

I don't know if the PTB are somehow trying to thank Rube or not, but after that envelope they're no longer a distant godlike power acting on some automatic program. Their actions in connection with Rube and George (and prospectively Reggie) point towards a patient conscious power deeply interfering with these reapers and their goings on.

Rube was placed as a new reaper near his family and there were interactions (note that Rosie could have come to recognize Rube's reaper appearance as her father during this period).

He tried to send money to his family back then, but the PTB diverted the envelope for 77 years, without any communication or leaking to Rube (or other reapers) that they were aware of his transgression (note that likely after he sent the envelope he became a reaper gang boss - or was allowed to remain one).

Then in a provocative move they place George near her own family (why not send her to Idaho? - no issue with family there) under Rube's supervision.

In a double down on provocative they then RETURN the envelope to him after 77 years.

Whatever their motivations they seem more complicated than just wanting to thank Rube.

As to breaking rules we have no evidence that any were broken. As mentioned above Rosie might have gotten to know her father's reaper appearance 77 years before (like Reggie comes to recognize Millie). Also in the episode when we first meet Penny - the reaper at the old folks' facility - we see Penny pass information to Rube as to where his daughter is located in the system. In S2 they did not show us his going to meet her, but that's likely and it also is likely that in a S3 as Rube's backstory got unlayered we would have seen what transpired in both meetings between Rube and Rosie - 77 years ago and more currently - and found out exactly how it was handled (i.e. were any rules broken?).

When George the brand new reaper made the attempt to go home and lost memories Rube seemed very familiar with the memory loss danger, so it would seem likely that of any of our reapers given his experience he would know how to work around the rules to both talk with his daughter and avoid any memory loss.

George managed it twice - with Joy at the Garage sale and Clancy in the booth - altho in her case her parents didn't know who she was. I'm guessing that Rube would have known how to finesse that so she would know his identity and he would keep his memories.

More speculation is that in the S3 we would have seen George and Reggie use some version of that finesse and we would have learned it thru flashbacks watching Rube get away with it - 77 years prior maybe and very likely when Rube went to meet his daughter after talking to Penny.

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So why was he there to welcome Betty? He didn't become a HR in one year. How do you know the PTB had anything to do with the envelope and that the post office didn't just find it somewhere? There have been many stories of this happening.

Maybe when they found the letter the PTB decided that it was finally time for Rube to get his lights and they arranged the meeting to thank him and to make up for making him wait so long. My theory on why it took so long is because he was their best HR.

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We definitely have contrasting interpretations for the goings on in the show.

As to why he was there to meet Betty at her death? I'm not at all clear why he couldn't be. There was some initial confusion on the part of the writers about the dates - Betty's first given date of death was 1926, but then Rube died in 1927 so that got adjusted later. Betty couldn't die before Rube since in her final episode the writers decided to have Rube be the reaper to greet her.

In that episode in which he greets Betty at her death he never says he's the HR (Head Reaper?). All we know is that he's a reaper.

As to the envelope.....While I may be wrong in details I'm confident that the writers intended the audience to see PTB involvement in the envelope getting sidetracked for those 77 years. If it was just an incidental happening hanging loose it would serve no purpose, but given the layering in the show's plotting and character development and given the detailed context the envelope is given in the episode including the reaction in Rube I'm sure it was intended to be something meaningful. We even get a close up of the envelope's addresses, and clearly from that point there's a major change in Rube - he is shown working on researching what happened to Lucy and Rosie, which leads to him being at Rosie's death.

In my interpretation the PTB didn't just find out about the letter when Rube got it returned, but instead they are the ones who sidetracked it. And that IMO takes the interpretation of all prior events to a step higher in complication and makes for a much more interesting story.

IMO Rube getting his lights had everything to do with Mandy not being available to write into the Movie and nothing to do with anything in the series. As I go thru each episode I can see a sketchy outline of some of what might have been intended for a S3. George, Rube, the envelope - in particular the backstory about how and why he tried to send it to his family - plus Reggie all would have been part of major arc with at least a partial resolution in a S3.

We don't get exposure to many reapers in the two seasons. I don't believe we ever learned the date of death for the reaper George replaced. Betty is an anomaly. The only other potential head reaper I remember is Penny and she died in 1912 - 15 years before Rube. So we really don't have a good idea how long a reaper stays here as a reaper. There was that deleted scene with the plague boys - probably made for humor only - in which they died more than 500 years prior, but that rule regarding reaping only some narrow range of deaths like your own (the plague in their case combined with a real quota) got left out with the deletion of the scene from the pilot. Anyway, there's nothing about how Rube ranks as a reaper so I'm not sure why you say he was the PTB's best 'HR'. Keep in mind that in the DLM universe there are a lot of reapers lurking about among the living - a lot.

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Well then, Betty should have said "take me to your leader" so we could have seen who the head reaper was.

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Maybe Penny was that group's head reaper.

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How would that be possible? Penny was in Rube's group after he became a head reaper.

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Keep in mind that a lot was left unexplained - probably because these details weren't central to the core arc they were pushing.

Penny died in 1912 and so became a reaper 15 years before Rube.

I don't remember any dialogue indicating when Rube took over as the Waffle Haus gang head reaper.

When Penny shows up in the episode 214 'Always' to show Rube the posit for his daughter's death later that day she says a few things that hint a little about when she was last there.

Kiffany knew Penny and remembered she liked her tea without ice so they have spent some time together in the Waffle Haus.

The fact that Roxy knew Penny and had worked as a reaper with her tells us that Penny was likely at the Waffle Haus at least until the year 1982 (the year when Roxy died and became a reaper) and probably some time after that for the bonding to occur.

However, I heard nothing to say who was in charge when. In view of Penny's seniority - 15 years - over Rube, it's likely she was the boss and Rube worked for her from his death until after 1982- at least 55 years (?!?).

Sometime after 1982 she left the Waffle Haus and most likely it was then that Rube took over as the head of the gang there.

I doubt the writers gave these aspects all that much thought because they were focused on other aspects of the story.

Notice that Fuller's idea of the reapers on the fringe and the idea mentioned in Betty's last episode (probably still heavily influenced by Fuller's vision) that reapers (like vampires and no aging types) have to move after a few decades and change identities etc - those ideas got thrown out in this episode. Was this intentional or just incidental to scoring some fun dialogue twists??

Anyway, Kiffany and Mason and Roxy (and Betty?) and Rube were at the Waffle Haus (or whatever came before it) with Penny way back there for a very long time. The time span from 2004 to 1982 is 22 years and probably longer. Kiffany looks old enough that if she started to work there in her early twenties it would work, but given all that she overhears these people talking about, and the fact that none of them age, it would seem a major oversight or a nice set up for something unusual to be revealed about Kiffany - she doesn't notice anything unusual - other than Rube is a great tipper?

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It seems pretty obvious to me that Rube is the head reaper when he welcomes Betty and for at least a couple of decades before George came along. The dialogue throughout the series, especially with Kiffany, seems to indicate it. He is referred to as "the man" in the episode you mention.

Maybe "some people are meant to be head reapers before they're even born" and he did become one right away.

How do you know that Penny was a head reaper? It just seems like the most likely reason for her leaving Rube's group.

As for the dates, these are things they knew most viewers wouldn't notice.

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It seems pretty obvious to me that Rube is the head reaper when he welcomes Betty and for at least a couple of decades before George came along. The dialogue throughout the series, especially with Kiffany, seems to indicate it. He is referred to as "the man" in the episode you mention.

I think you have a good arguement that Rube was a head reaper when he met Betty. Rube was the first to greet George upon her death and the one to break the good and bad news to her. However, that would mean he not only became a reaper but also a head reaper in the same year - the same year he was transgressing against PTB rules about sending envelopes to living relatives.

Most likely the writers didn't think too much about these small details when they had deadlines. Betty's send off was not planned in any larger arc so there was no doubt quick improvisation and then the man with the big picture plans in his head for longer arcs had just left, too. It looked and felt right to have Rube greet Betty at the beginning of her reaper career so they did it.


Maybe "some people are meant to be head reapers before they're even born" and he did become one right away.

It sounds like you're paraphrasing Mason from the bank scene in the pilot regarding reapers might be destined before birth to be reapers.(?) If that's the case then the Movie's main plot testing each reaper for that position would be seriously flawed. If George was predestined why send the guy to put temptation in front of each member of gang?


How do you know that Penny was a head reaper? It just seems like the most likely reason for her leaving Rube's group.

I don't know at all. Penny seemed on equal footing with Rube in their brief talks and it seems more likely than that Rube became a head reaper the same year he died. However, as above, most likely is that the writers had other priorities. Also because these details are so messy - no one paid attention to them - it's likely that they're not part of some set up for a larger arc.

In the probably sketched out but never begun 3rd season I suspect the emphasis in the flashbacks would have been on Rube as a reaper and his interactions with his family and the issue of any other reapers and whether he was a head reaper would never have appeared. Penny might have appeared. Betty - unlikely - because she jumped into lights.


As for the dates, these are things they knew most viewers wouldn't notice.

Agreed. Particularly with gaps week to week, but on dvd and freeze frame etc it becomes noticeable.

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Like I said, you can get through most of the series and explain away many of the gaffes with a little imagination. I suspect the writers themselves would have done this in season three. Some changes they made in the first two seasons could be covered and others that couldn't be explained, like dates etc., would just be ignored.

Rube could have become a reaper in his first year due to some emergency. His HR may have gotten their lights and the other reapers couldn't do it. The testing the reapers to see who's qualified is probably something they dreamed up for the movie. The PTB would already know this.

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Like I said, you can get through most of the series and explain away many of the gaffes with a little imagination. I suspect the writers themselves would have done this in season three. Some changes they made in the first two seasons could be covered and others that couldn't be explained, like dates etc., would just be ignored.

I'm sure with a little imagination you can explain most anything and that can lead anywhere. What I'm interested in is where the showrunner's imagination intended to go with the arcs left stranded at the end of S2.


Rube could have become a reaper in his first year due to some emergency. His HR may have gotten their lights and the other reapers couldn't do it. The testing the reapers to see who's qualified is probably something they dreamed up for the movie. The PTB would already know this.

That whole testing hurdle in the Movie is best put aside probably like the appearance reversion on and around Halloween and child reapers. All those temptations to test each reaper while inconvenient for the reapers were hell on the living and left evidence about reapers all over - e.g. Mason taking several bullets to the chest on a surveillance camera.

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Just watching 'Always' and noticed you're right about who was boss when Penny was at the WH. Penny clearly says she was part of 'Rube's posit gang' (sounds like Rube was the boss) and in the same dialogue they say that was some 30 years prior - 1973, which was long after either became a reaper.

Penny 1912
Rube 1927

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Viewers wonder why Kiffany doesn't notice things and if she might be connected to the afterlife. I never questioned it. I just figured she knew Rube all those years so she didn't worry about it.

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Kiffany and Crystal both were pushed forward a bit near the end. In 'Always' it's clear that Kiffany has been working at the WH and interacting with Rube's postit gang for a very long time - some 30 years. Raises a lot of questions. Aside from Kiffany working in one restaurant that long, she doesn't notice that Penny, Mason, Roxy, Rube, and who else, didn't age one day in 30 years?

That new convention introduced for the last episode, in which they revert to their original living appearance on and the day after Halloween, seems to be that it applies to all the living see them as they were when alive, but Kiffany doesn't react to them in any way differently. And it really isn't workable.

So, perhaps their appearance reverts for anyone who knew them when they were alive. That would account for Kiffany not reacting as well as the other regulars and would seem much more workable as far as the reapers staying hidden among their post death living acquaintances - in general.

That would still account for the old man in the WH recognizing Daisy since he 'knew' her as in he saw her often enough that he linked her name and appearance even if Daisy never noticed him.

In that same episode Crystal clearly sees George and not Millie when she goes back to Happy Time on Sunday, but then Crystal met George when she was alive at Happy Time. Fortunately Halloween in the story was on a Sunday because Millie would need more than that mask to get thru a work day at Happy Time and being up close to Delores - even with the amended rule convention.

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Also there's that one day difference. The Day of the Dead occuring on a different day in Mexico. They may not have changed appearances yet while in Der Waffle Haus. Very confusing. Like I said, it's the one episode that I can't figure out. I think the writers really messed this one up.

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