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the rest of you are just visiting


when palmi explanined that every ethnic group had their own thing to live/believe in except edwards people (upper class? wasps? cia?) his response was that his people had the united states of america and the rest of them where just visiting.

look i know its just a movie but has anybody out there really felt that the rich priviliged class of white america really feels that way? you know the super wealthy familys that own or have an intrest in major levels of buisness finance and politics in this country?

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Dunno, we'll have to ask the next rich white guy on the board.

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This issue is discussed at the posting entitled "class system" in think. The postings discuss the influence of then "Ivy Leaguers" on politics, government, business, and even espionage in this country.

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subotail The Skull and Bones is real. Try and get over the wall. The following link is as good as any about the detail. There are books about it but with very little detail. All attempts to find out more have failed with disastrous results for the attempter. From the beginning of mankind there have always been those who wish to control all. This is just one example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones

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True, Ppump. subotail, there was a program on about a month ago, I think it was on the History or History International channel, about the secret societies. It listed the Masons, Skull and Bones, the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderbergs. Very interesting. The program proves that such societies exist. It will be shown again on April 2 at 11:00 pm and on April 3, at 3:00 am. Watch it.

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when he said that i started to laugh because it reminded me of what a comedian once said, "all white people in america are actually european americans, you all are just as illegal as the rest of us"

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What he meant to say is that they control the US. There is no denying that.

Perhaps native americans have the most right to this land but they are probably the most marginalized out of all the ethnic / social groups.

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The "Edward's people" thing referred to white, protestant, anglo-saxons who founded america based on their ideals and have since been willing to do anything to proect. This is why the CIA was created.

Edward's response "the rest of you are just visiting" confirms that, at least in Edward's mind, this is true.

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"I think jamoss11 comment is the correct answer. But did anyone noticed that Matt Damon looks directly at the camera for one second when he says "..just visiting". Perhaps De Niro feels this way too?"




De Niro is Italian...

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Interesting how it paralells the line spoken by the redneck sheriff to DeNiro's Jewish character in Casino:

"You people will never understand how it works out here(Vegas). You think you own the place, but the truth is.. y'all are just visiting."

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Wow this is a 5 year old post but I thought I was the only one that saw that parallel.

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It's also an inside joke. There's a matrix of WASPs, Jews, Catholics that run the USA. Donavon (Deniro) who started the CIA was Catholic and the CIA is referred to as Catholics in action. But it's kind of fun to keep the locals fighting among themselves.

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I interpreted that was towards his fellow servicemen who put their entire lives into protecting and serving their government. Never thought it a matter of race, but I can see how that can apply.

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Im a rich white protestant American..I dont feel that way

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You have to understand the race dynamics of the U.S. from the mid-nineteenth to the mid-twentieth century.

From the end of the Civil War onwards, the country was dominated by Northern WASPs (who controlled the Republican Party). These people considered themselves the only "Real Americans" and had nothing but contempt for Southerners, black people, and inner-city immigrants like Joe Pesci in this film. That started to change in the thirties and forties, but the conceit Matt Damon shows would still very much have been around in the 1950s, especially in Ivy League environments that the CIA was based on.

Basically, take the "liberal elite" stereotype and cross it with the "racist white people" stereotype, and you've got the Eastern establishment of the time.


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As well as the Irish. They bore the brunt of the white on white prejudice. Possibly because they were the last of the Europoeans to immigrate to the US.

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I got my information from history class. I may be fuzzy on the details but I know for a fact that the Irish did suffer white on white prejudice regardless to when they got here. I'm not comparing their plight to that of non-white immigrants. I know who's was worse. My post goes back to the original point of this thread.

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Thanks for the history lesson. You are well versed. Didn't know it was Catholicism that put the Irish Americans on the outside. Is that why Ireland is always at odds with England?

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Wow. Many thanks for such a well summarized response.

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As an Englishman [not ‘British’, English; the only Britons in these islands live in Wales] I rather suspected this would descend into to a lot of masturbatory tripe about the Irish. The unaccountable ‘WASP’ elite was bound to make its presence felt too. The image of an ‘Anglo Saxon establishment’ beloved of class warriors everywhere actually changed several decades ago, having been successfully targeted by Jewish and other influences, but don't let facts get in the way of a good story. History? I got history. For the record today’s southern Irish fetched up around the 2nd century AD [not much before the first German tribes arrived in what is now England]. They were pirates. Their first act was to lay siege to the north east of that land and the native Uliti people who occupied it [from where we get the term ‘Ulster’]. As England was being built they turned their attention to raiding English coastal towns and villages, stealing women, cattle and whatever else they could pilfer. Hostilities started here. They went on centuries, these attacks on our newly-won lands, though it rarely merits a mention in the victimology handbook because well, you know, everyone knows the English are to blame for everything. Englisc [Saxon spelling] tribes occupied and ran Lowland Scotland from the 7th century. Lowland Scots or ‘Lallands’, the ‘language of Burns’, is almost pure Anglo Saxon, so when James II cleared the border lands on both sides, transporting families [of which mine was one] to Ulster, he was in fact forcing migration on a population of English people. The term ‘Scots-Irish’ is a misnomer, a lie, contrived to write us out of the historical narrative. The English raised over 10 million pounds by public subscription when the famine struck – that’s around a BILLION pounds, or about 1.5 BILLION DOLLARS, in today’s money. I’m sorry but Americans reserve uncritical admiration for a people they actually know nothing about, have little or no real experience of, and who behind their backs actually return all the generosity and goodwill with the most astonishing contempt. I realize this is all bound up to some extent with egalitarianism and victim culture but it would be a shame if years being perceived as the world’s baddie made Americans align themselves with professional victims in the forlorn hope that a little of the martyr’s stardust will fall their way. I mean India too threw off the 'yoke of English rule'. I don’t see Americans making common cause with them. The Good Shepherd, and the lines given to Joe Pesci, reflect anti-English sentiment [and a misrepresentation of the English themselves] of a kind Hollywood has promoted repeatedly over recent years in order to feed hostility to white society in general. Maybe, as Clint Eastwood remarked cryptically, ‘it’s just your turn’. Maybe, but spare me the pieties. Understanding of Irish nationalism is slightly flawed your side of the pond by the way. The IRA is a Marxist, internationalist organization. A creature of the shadow government it was put together to initiate the break-up of the United Kingdom as a prelude to the introduction of monolithic, trans-national governance. Hollywood’s insistently romantic portrayal of the ‘struggle’ is just part of a wider political deception that brings in a great deal of money, albeit to an organization that is very far from a friend to decent Irish people.

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It wasn’t Catholicism that made the Irish outsiders; it was a long history of the English thinking of Irish as heathens and at best, second-class citizens. These feelings continued to be passed on to U.S. citizens in the 19th century, since many were of English heritage. Prejudice against the Irish was even more magnified with massive waves of arrivals in the 1840s by immigrants fleeing famine in Ireland. Many had only enough money to purchase passage to the U.S., but had little else to establish a home or business. As result, in major entry points, like NYC and Boston, Irish slums developed. This caused those of upper and middle class to look down upon the Irish.

Yes, the Irish did assimilate, but for the most part, their great success was that they dominated the populations of certain cities and thus, rose to power as leaders within politics and law enforcement (often through the help of such "machines" as Tammany Hall). However, the long-standing WASP families of America continued to look down upon the Irish. In fact, I imagine a few unkind words are even said about the Kennedy’s in private company today.

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>>Yes, the Irish did assimilate, but for the most part, their great success was that they dominated the populations of certain cities and thus, rose to power as leaders within politics and law enforcement <<


Actually, in the early 20th century, law enforcement was a dirty, dangerous job that no one really wanted. At that time, particularly in highly urban areas like New York and Chicago, lots of businesses with job openings actually posted signs stating "No Irish Need Apply." Unable to get any other type of work, Irish immigrants took jobs as policemen. Watch old movies or TV shows and you'll notice that the stereotypical cop-on-the-beat is named O'Malley or Ryan and has an Irish accent. Also, this is why even today a piper plays "Amazing Grace" on bagpipes at law enforcement funerals - it's a continuation of an old Irish tradition.

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You're one of a new breed. By now we know how much those 'visitors' are worth in labor.

You had me at 'Heil.'

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America as we know it was founded by WASP's. The lines uttered by Damon have further relevance and poignancy in these times.

One of the best and most memorable scenes in film history.

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"felt that the rich priviliged class"
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* You don't necessarily have to be rich/privileged. You can be an educated WASP or perhaps even an Anglo/Irish-Cat and feel this way without being wealthy. I think William Donovan OSS founder would be an example of the latter.

* The Irish comment was pretty funny. To the poster who didn't know, Irish did most of the dangerous jobs in the country (184o-1960) and have legitimate claim that they were the labor force that built the US (I'm not Irish).

* The last wave of European immigration came from the Mediterranean region and these are the primary ethnicities that are referred to as just "visiting."

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Funny thing this movie was just on television and the whole scene was deleted usa network. What does that say

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Samuelk30, the deletions ruined the whole message of the movie by deleting important facts about the relation between CIA and organised crime, for one thing.



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I think the movie has alot of truths as to how these people like cia and fbi brass, skull and bones and other upper etchelon 'sorry if I misspelled that' look at everyone in society and at a time when this is floating around in so many topics that depioct something very wrong in not just this country but more the power elite andthe minions they use to keep it that way. That is probably why most of the scene was deleted some would make the argument he used the word *beep* but they could have easily changed it to black or anyway they destroyed almost the wkole point of the scene if you get to watch it on USA network you will see. By the way when vast herds of the masses are eliminated by the minions then who are the next to go, food for thought. Kind of the movie Wild in the Streets espescially the theme and coupled with the ending which you could possibly find on youtube plays to exactly what I am saying

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Wow this thread is still going on. Lots of intelligent well thought out posts. Carry on.

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